Thread: McDonalds Beating

Originally Posted by tommo

Except for one guy with one eye.... And everyone is trying to be that one guy.

Or kill him cause he's different from everyone else.

Originally Posted by Jeff777

I'm not against capital punishment. In some instances, I think it's great. Therefore, I wouldn't consider it a "problem". Executing a devilish bastard sounds more like a solution from where I'm standing.

Do you even realise how asinine that is?
I honestly thought you were joking before so I ignored it.
Those two girls, and people like them, think that it would be okay to electrocute the transsexual or people like her.
Exactly the way you think that it would be okay to kill the two girls, or people like them.

Originally Posted by Majestic

Or kill him cause he's different from everyone else.

No. Everyone loves him.

BTW, did anyone else think there were 4 girls in the video?
It seemed to me like the manager got the first two off and then two more came in?
But everywhere only mentions two.

Philip Defranco talks about the video: YouTube - Bree Olson Wins the INTERNET! & everything else that mattered (4.25.11)

Why do so many people insist that only "the old lady" tried to help. There was one guy throughout the entire video trying to break it up (the one others assume is the manager?)
Am I missing something?

I would definitely want the punks fired and sued, possibly serve some jail time for instigating/encouraging/enjoying! the attack.

It makes me sad to see stuff like this still happening. Where's human decency?

Firstly: Anybody here who reckons this wasn't a hate crime needs to die instantaneously and reincarnate into something intelligent. Secondly: I seriously hope that all who were a part of this attack (yes, that includes all who encouraged it) are swiftly punished. Those who were physically part of it should be removed from this earthly existence immediately so that they can explain their vile actions to their maker, who will then deliver a fate worse than death. Those who egged the attack on should experience what happened from the transgenders perspective, in full detail, both emotionally and physically.

Originally Posted by Zhaylin

Why do so many people insist that only "the old lady" tried to help. There was one guy throughout the entire video trying to break it up (the one others assume is the manager?)
Am I missing something?

I agree. Some people think he didn't do enough. But he probably thought he would get sued if he did anything more than what he did.

Which is exactly what is wrong with Neyo's point of view. So much "oh don't lay a finger on a woman" bullshit. That you can't even touch them without being looked down upon and/or sued for millions of dollars.
Shit like this ends up happening.

Originally Posted by LucidJuggalo

Firstly: Anybody here who reckons this wasn't a hate crime needs to die instantaneously and reincarnate into something intelligent.

Chill, dude. The girl already said it wasn't because she was transgender. She said the girl told her "not to look at her man" or something like that. It was in the video someone posted.

Originally Posted by LucidJuggalo

Those who egged the attack on should experience what happened from the transgenders perspective, in full detail, both emotionally and physically.

I agree with this though. Sort of. If there is going to be any sort of punishment for "evil" people, which society seems intent on, even though it is useless most of the time.
If we really think we need punishment, the punishment should fit the crime.
i.e Beat someone up, you get sent to trial and if found guilty you get beaten up.
Rape someone and are found guilty, then you get raped.

It would definitely make people see things from the other persons perspective.

The exception would be murder though I guess. Those people should just be put in jail.

Originally Posted by tommo

I agree with this though. Sort of. If there is going to be any sort of punishment for "evil" people, which society seems intent on, even though it is useless most of the time.
If we really think we need punishment, the punishment should fit the crime.
i.e Beat someone up, you get sent to trial and if found guilty you get beaten up.
Rape someone and are found guilty, then you get raped.

It would definitely make people see things from the other persons perspective.

The exception would be murder though I guess. Those people should just be put in jail.

The problem with this would be people who are actually innocent being found guilty of something they didn't do. The way we do things now, the person found guilty would go to jail for however long a time. Which, if you're innocent, isn't good, but it's not the worst things that could happen. But if we use the system mentioned above, someone who is accused of rape, but is actually innocent, would be raped for no good reason at all.

Originally Posted by Heavy Sleeper

The problem with this would be people who are actually innocent being found guilty of something they didn't do. The way we do things now, the person found guilty would go to jail for however long a time. Which, if you're innocent, isn't good, but it's not the worst things that could happen. But if we use the system mentioned above, someone who is accused of rape, but is actually innocent, would be raped for no good reason at all.

I think jail would fuck you up as much as being raped. Even if you disregard the fact that you could be raped in prison. Or beaten up, or pretty much any crime you could think of.

Originally Posted by tommo

I think jail would fuck you up as much as being raped. Even if you disregard the fact that you could be raped in prison. Or beaten up, or pretty much any crime you could think of.

Lol, I was thinking the same thing. Hope I never go to jail.

Originally Posted by tommo

Do you even realise how asinine that is?
I honestly thought you were joking before so I ignored it.
Those two girls, and people like them, think that it would be okay to electrocute the transsexual or people like her.
Exactly the way you think that it would be okay to kill the two girls, or people like them.

No, I was not joking. I was outraged. My initial post was made purely out of emotion and disgust. After cooling off, I think life in prison is best suited for the adult female and 3 years of juvie + 5 - 10 years of community service + probation for the "little one". This is just my opinion of what I think is "fair". And for what it's worth, yes, I am still a heavy supporter of the death penalty. Just not for the women in the video.

Originally Posted by Heavy Sleeper

Lol, I was thinking the same thing. Hope I never go to jail.

Jail =/= Prison

Jail beats prison any day of the week. Most of that raping you hear about occurs in the penn.. not jail.

this 2 bitches , i would kill them :@ . . .

Originally Posted by Jeff777

No, I was not joking. I was outraged. My initial post was made purely out of emotion and disgust. After cooling off, I think life in prison is best suited for the adult female and 3 years of juvie + 5 - 10 years of community service + probation for the "little one". This is just my opinion of what I think is "fair". And for what it's worth, yes, I am still a heavy supporter of the death penalty. Just not for the women in the video.

I think the fact that you support the death penalty should require swift execution so that you don't persuade anyone else to think the same.

Originally Posted by Jeff777

Jail =/= Prison

Jail beats prison any day of the week. Most of that raping you hear about occurs in the penn.. not jail.

You know what people mean. Stop being a nitpick.

Originally Posted by tommo

I think the fact that you support the death penalty should require swift execution so that you don't persuade anyone else to think the same.

I support the death penalty therefore I deserve to die even though I have not infringed upon anyone elses rights? My, aren't you clever.

Originally Posted by tommo

You know what people mean. Stop being a nitpick.

As soon as you stop being a prick.

Originally Posted by Jeff777

Jail =/= Prison

Jail beats prison any day of the week. Most of that raping you hear about occurs in the penn.. not jail.

Actually no. Prison is better because you have more freedom and privileges ( i.e. weight room/gym , outside rec yard, sockets in your cell for cable t.v., more items on commissary, cafeteria. )

In jail, your pretty much locked down in a tier all day, with an hour outside for rec. sometimes your rec is only once a week.

Originally Posted by Majestic

Actually no. Prison is better because you have more freedom and privileges ( i.e. weight room/gym , outside rec yard, sockets in your cell for cable t.v., more items on commissary, cafeteria. )

In jail, your pretty much locked down in a tier all day, with an hour outside for rec. sometimes your rec is only once a week.

I was purely talking about where most sexual assaults occur.

^ As well as violent assaults.

Jail's pretty much just mind-numbingly boring, prison life is dangerous.

Originally Posted by Karlitaki

this 2 bitches , i would kill them :@ . . .

I almost had to like this post for it's creative use of grammer.

DEATH TO FANATICS!

Seiosly though, will killing people fix societies problems(which mainly stem from violence and other forms of aggression) or wiill it just make us more violent?

I think that instead of spending about 25,000 bucks a year making lawbreakers suffer, we should be treating first-, second-, and third- time offenders with psychiatric therapy and behavior modification, in addition to making them do a whole lot of community service to make up for their crimes. Only repeat offenders should be incarcerated. Of course, however, they will have to be initially incarcerated until their punishment and treatment is figured out.

Originally Posted by stonedape

I almost had to like this post for it's creative use of grammer.

DEATH TO FANATICS!

Seriously though, will killing people fix societies problems(which mainly stem from violence and other forms of aggression) or wiill it just make us more violent?

I'm not sure, but allow me to put forward a question to you. Will quietly eliminating repeat offenders from the face of the planet make society even more violent? If so, how?? This seems to be the notion some of you are implying and I fail to see how someone in Missouri that's injected with a lethal poison would somehow prompt someone in Idaho to kill another person.

Originally Posted by MindGames

I think that instead of spending about 25,000 bucks a year making lawbreakers suffer, we should be treating first-, second-, and third- time offenders with psychiatric therapy and behavior modification, in addition to making them do a whole lot of community service to make up for their crimes. Only repeat offenders should be incarcerated. Of course, however, they will have to be initially incarcerated until their punishment and treatment is figured out.

Have you read "A Clockwork Orange"?

No, but I just read the plot summary on SparkNotes.

The type of psychiatric treatment I'm speaking of is meant for personal advancement and to help resolve self-destructive behaviors, much like traditional psychiatric services. I'm not talking about the type of forced brainwashing depicted in dystopian scenarios. And of course I'm all for personal freedoms, so individuals could have a right to deny any such treatment.

Originally Posted by Jeff777

I support the death penalty therefore I deserve to die even though I have not infringed upon anyone elses rights? My, aren't you clever.

lol, I was making a point about your view on this matter. I disagree with the death penalty. You agree with it. I think you should be put to death for agreeing with putting people to death. How do you then take that ^^^^ comment seriously?

Besides, how is supporting the death penalty not infringing on rights? I'm pretty sure everyone has a right to not be killed.
I know that you're gonna say "they lost that right when they did [insert whatever thing you think deserves the death penalty here]"

I would really like to see your face as you watch someone die right in front of you. Do you know why they put a mask over the persons face before they execute them?
If they didn't there would be very few people who could actually kill the person. IT de-humanises them.
You think you support the death penalty, but you don't. Because you don't know what it actually involves, you're removed from it.

Originally Posted by Jeff777

As soon as you stop being a prick.

I've seen you say this before. I don't believe I said anything prick-ish. So you're probably beginning to realise I am correct.

Originally Posted by Jeff777

I'm not sure, but allow me to put forward a question to you. Will quietly eliminating repeat offenders from the face of the planet make society even more violent? If so, how?? This seems to be the notion some of you are implying and I fail to see how someone in Missouri that's injected with a lethal poison would somehow prompt someone in Idaho to kill another person.

Quietly eliminating? QUIETLY ELIMINATING!?
How does that not sound Orwellian to you?
That would mean we would support the government killing whoever they wanted to, and we'd turn a blind eye.
"Who cares whether they actually did it? The government must have their reasons."

That is how it would make society more violent.

Even if all the evidence of the case is shown to the public. (In case "quietly eliminating" was just a bad choice of words).
We would hear and/or see people being killed all the time. We would become desensitised to killing people.
How can that NOT make people more violent?

Originally Posted by Jeff777

I'm not sure, but allow me to put forward a question to you. Will quietly eliminating repeat offenders from the face of the planet make society even more violent? If so, how?? This seems to be the notion some of you are implying and I fail to see how someone in Missouri that's injected with a lethal poison would somehow prompt someone in Idaho to kill another person.

Yes. By eliminating them we already become more violent with just that act. This then influences how the people involved feel and act, the feel like it is ok for them to be violent as long as the superior says it's ok or that it's good to go by the policy of an eye for an eye. Having the need for vengeance makes society more violent.

It also influences how the eliminated persons family feels, they may feel attacked. It also makes the victims family feel justified in receiving vengeance, though not in all cases(it;s not always perceived as vengeance).

It doesn't make society more violent as directly as many other things that are considered ok in our culture, but it does on some level increase aggressive thought which leads to aggressive action.

On top of this many people are wrongly executed.

Do you trust the government in it's current form to hold the power to "quietly eliminate" people? The government can't even manage it's money, they're more irresponsible than I am.

But what this really boils down to is compassion. I feel like most people who commit violent crimes do so because they have psychological issues and live in very fucked up society. And by fucked up I mean aggressive. We all collectively create this violence by creating the kind of living environment that we have. Personally I believe it's time for a change. We can stop living like this. We can stop glorifying greed, superficiality and power. Personally I think the only way to do this is by changing radically on an individual level. If we are to decrease violence and aggression in our society we have to do it by treating the disease, not the symptoms.

But what this really boils down to is compassion. I feel like most people who commit violent crimes do so because they have psychological issues and live in very fucked up society. And by fucked up I mean aggressive. We all collectively create this violence by creating the kind of living environment that we have. Personally I believe it's time for a change. We can stop living like this. We can stop glorifying greed, superficiality and power. Personally I think the only way to do this is by changing radically on an individual level. If we are to decrease violence and aggression in our society we have to do it by treating the disease, not the symptoms.

This is basically what i said. I agree. But I think, everyone has the symptoms, just some have it worse than others.

I think people on here that are saying they support the death penalty are the exact ones that i talked about earlier. Scared/heartless people, that just want to remove the "bad people" from society so they can feel so safe in their little worlds. I've seen more compassion in jail than in society. *sigh*. Who are you to decide if someone lives or dies.