I think feminism means something different to everyone. For me it's still a fight for equality. By no means is it "females are better than males". |
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I have to disagree with both Deery and tommo and agree with pretty much everyone else. I don't think all the egalitarian aims of feminism have been totally accomplished--if you live a sufficiently insulated existence that it seems to be so, congratulations. Meanwhile, human trafficking, domestic violence and sexual assault persist, and persist in affecting far more women than men, in developed as well as underdeveloped nations. Boys' clubs and glass ceilings remain largely intact in whole industries, and certainly in many individual companies. Women in many workplaces are still expected to put up with a certain baseline of innuendo, advances, or outright harassment from both clients and coworkers. Both public consensus and the law are on a woman's side in most of these situations, which is a strong social advancement, but neither institutional nor attitudinal patriarchy have been eliminated. |
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If you have a sense of caring for others, you will manifest a kind of inner strength in spite of your own difficulties and problems. With this strength, your own problems will seem less significant and bothersome to you. By going beyond your own problems and taking care of others, you gain inner strength, self-confidence, courage, and a greater sense of calm.Dalai Lama
I think feminism means something different to everyone. For me it's still a fight for equality. By no means is it "females are better than males". |
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Oh my this got thread got rolling while I was sleeping. |
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Jujutsu is the gentle art. It's the art where a small man is going to prove to you, no matter how strong you are, no matter how mad you get, that you're going to have to accept defeat. That's what jujutsu is.
Ill admit I don't know as much about the subject as I wish I did. But that's the nice thing about conversations like this... we get to bounce ideas off each other and learn new things. Before Tausaur posted, I was thinking that the term feminism does seem a bit old-fashioned now somehow. Or rather it's associated with ideas that have pretty much served their purpose. Wait... before anybody lynches me - I mean the word seems to be associated with a fight against something like 50's era conventions. And also with a few too many angry militant feminazis who use it as cover for their anti-male rants. I like what Nina and Tausaur basically said, that you don't have to call yourself a feminist to be for gender equality. |
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The extreme way of thinking like this is the core problem. In all things. Sadly, it seems to persists like a disease. |
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Jujutsu is the gentle art. It's the art where a small man is going to prove to you, no matter how strong you are, no matter how mad you get, that you're going to have to accept defeat. That's what jujutsu is.
I was all for feminism when I thought it meant "gender equality," too. Unfortunately, it cannot mean that. The word is inextricably rooted in the feminine and femaleness, which is functionally equivalent to gender equality only so long as women and femininity are significantly disadvantaged in comparison to men and masculinity. Now, society is heterogenous and progress is not evenly distributed, but in general, we have been very near the tipping point since the mid-'80s. Also, not a lot of people are "lividly against" feminism, but I'll pick that up below. |
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If you have a sense of caring for others, you will manifest a kind of inner strength in spite of your own difficulties and problems. With this strength, your own problems will seem less significant and bothersome to you. By going beyond your own problems and taking care of others, you gain inner strength, self-confidence, courage, and a greater sense of calm.Dalai Lama
Lol fail. These are individuals who act this way. It has nothing to do with inequality. |
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Last edited by tommo; 08-18-2011 at 01:17 PM.
To be honest I think Deery just needs to get a life and put her energies into something creative and worthwhile instead of incessantly shouting that she has the right to put her energies into something creative and worthwhile. |
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This thread has been up for ONE day Xei. And ur already telling her to go do something else with the time she spends on this forum. Shame on you. Shame on you, Xei. |
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What does it mean to be equal? To be of Homosapien class? Is it something subjective, and if so, why is it implied as an objective truth? Can being equal simply be a convenient idea for those that feel weak, or for those who feel sentimental for the weak? How can this idea of 'equalness', that over-generalizes all of mankind, be seen as a sound idea to the masses? If, however there being inequality in the world, should then, the idea of all people being equal be soundly refuted? Hehe |
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Last edited by Somii; 08-18-2011 at 04:51 PM.
I stomp on your ideas.
Not on the forum. In her life. Deery has an insane amount of pent up anger and it's my guess that feminism is her current outlet for it. I think that's stupid because feminism is obvious, and there are no binding constraints on women in Western society any more. It's an empty thing to focus on; it seems to me absurd to spend so much time arguing about your right to live your life as you want, instead of actually going out into the world and living your life as you want. I can't think of any motivation for that but anger, and it's a waste. |
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Last edited by Xei; 08-18-2011 at 04:45 PM.
I stomp on your ideas.
By symmetry, I suppose. I recognise that everybody else is a human and so the natural thing to do is to give the same rights to each rather than different rights for some arbitrary difference. |
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Is there a particular reason why you would not want all people to be treated as equal grounds? Just out of curiosity. |
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Jujutsu is the gentle art. It's the art where a small man is going to prove to you, no matter how strong you are, no matter how mad you get, that you're going to have to accept defeat. That's what jujutsu is.
B00B13Z R G3WD. |
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Kitty says: "Achoo..!"
I doubt he has the mustaches to be. |
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Jujutsu is the gentle art. It's the art where a small man is going to prove to you, no matter how strong you are, no matter how mad you get, that you're going to have to accept defeat. That's what jujutsu is.
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But then if sex serves as an effective determinate of a persons likelyhood of being a victim of human trafficking, then how can we say that full sexual equality has been achieved? |
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Men are not the only people who are sexist, fyi. Women do it just as well if not better. |
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Kitty says: "Achoo..!"
Tommo did make a good point.. sex crimes are committed by sick people. Are you saying that depraved men (the ones who commit sex crimes) should victimize men as much as they victimize women? |
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No. That's a sloppy strawman argument of a rhetorical question. I'm saying that by any sane definition of equality, sexual equality has not been achieved. If it had been achieved then sex would not be a meaningfull determinate of the probability of you being kidnapped and sold to be raped. |
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