Thread: Occupy Dreamviews

Here's a video of a marine sergeant telling off the cops


And here's a video of two soldiers responding to Hannity's claims that the protesters are unamerican


Love the sign: 2nd time fighting for country, 1st time I knew my enemy

Interesting on the first video. I've never seen anyone wear service commendations on MCCUU's before. ? Let's give it a few days and see what information comes to the surface about this man.

love those marines lol

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Interesting on the first video. I've never seen anyone wear service commendations on MCCUU's before. ? Let's give it a few days and see what information comes to the surface about this man.

His name is Sergeant Sharam Thomas. I didn't find his myspace though so he must be faking it.

What if OWS was well-organized psychological operation? I'm just throwing that out there, take it how you want to.




You don't need to be completely convinced regarding the information in this video but it's very interesting nevertheless.

I don't get it. Why would they fake his chipped tooth? And why would they put "fake people" there?

Originally Posted by tommo

You know what I mean. Tax funded education. Tax funded schools.


First, I've seen heaps of people at the protests talking about education and the fact that the cost is too high because it's privatised, and it should be free.
Second, it depends on what kind of education you want to have. Some courses cost well over a hundred thousands dollars.
These are mostly the science courses, which are the most important ones of pretty much any course available (in terms of benefit to society). But also things like architecture (yep, wtf? right).

I've not seem much of that at all. I think most people like the European model. The cost of a degree should be relative to the starting salary. I have a nice cheap bachelor's degree, but fresh out of school, I made twice what a teacher with a master's degree makes.

And in response to the marine yelling "these people don't have guns' why are you hurting them?" Cacophony pasted this on her FB, thought it was fitting

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Forgotten about this bit. The woman was inside bank. If you listen to the video, the undercover cop is clearly stating to her that "you were inside" she said "I'm a customer". She didn't deny it because she was in there. The undercover more than likely witnessed her in there and it was clearly obvious that she was one of the members of that group.

So you do think that being inside a bank to close your account is illegal? She obviously wasn't in there for very long seeing that she was outside, and that the bank doors had been locked before the police showed up. If the Citi manager told her to leave, and she did, what is the charge? If Citi really thought they did something wrong, they would obligee the demands for the security tapes, that they seem so unwilling to give up. The entire bank is wired with security cameras as all banks are, if Citi shows them, I'll say you were right, but since they are hiding them, you are in the wrong. Regardless of what you think, in America, citizens are innocent until proven guilty, there is a video of police dragging her into the bank, Citi is yet to show the video that shows they were being disruptive.

This isn't a case of a cops word vs a protesters word, its a cops word vs a video. I heard no where in there that she was under arrest, they simply picked her up and dragged her into the building, that's not an arrest, that's kidnapping.

No but trespassing, being disruptive and staging a demonstration private property is illegal.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

If Citi really thought they did something wrong, they would obligee the demands for the security tapes, that they seem so unwilling to give up. The entire bank is wired with security cameras as all banks are, if Citi shows them, I'll say you were right, but since they are hiding them, you are in the wrong.

There is online footage of what happened inside. Why didn't you bother to search for it? This video declares a different story where OWS protesters are disruptive and belligerent, are asked to get the hell off the banks private property, are asked to turn off video recordings, where they refused and then of course treated like the common trespasser and arrested by local authorities.



I'm sorry but these clowns are completely out of life. This is a place where people work You do not stage a protest inside of a bank, have they lost their minds?? The bank is private property they have every right to have them thrown out and/or arrested.

Here's Citibank's Statement

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Regardless of what you think, in America, citizens are innocent until proven guilty, there is a video of police dragging her into the bank, Citi is yet to show the video that shows they were being disruptive.

Everyone is innocent until proven guilty that doesn't mean you cannot get arrested and detained by authorities. If you are suspect to a crime, authorities are granted power to arrest and question you under oath. The "presumption of innocence" is a legal right to citizens where the burden of proof lies completely on the prosecution who's duty is to retrieve enough compelling evidence to convince the trier of fact, who is ordered and restrained by law to cogitate only substantive evidence and testimony that is legally admissible in a court of law and in most cases lawfully obtained where the accused is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

I heard no where in there that she was under arrest, they simply picked her up and dragged her into the building, that's not an arrest, that's kidnapping.

No, that's called detainment. She was suspect to a crime and was RIGHTFULLY detained.

Dude I believe you don't really think before you type and you talk just to be in disagreement with someone.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

What if OWS was well-organized psychological operation? I'm just throwing that out there, take it how you want to.




You don't need to be completely convinced regarding the information in this video but it's very interesting nevertheless.

LMAO

Does this guy have that condition where he can't recognize faces?

Either that or he thinks all African Americans look alike

Originally Posted by tommo

love those marines lol

Thanks!

And white people.

You can tell he's got a strong bias when he calls the protesters protecting HIS future a bunch of idiots. And he concludes they're going to cause a false flag operation...

My conclusion? He's a fucking crackpot.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Thanks for finding that, yes, if the manager told them to leave, then they were tresspassing. Where is the part where they were asked to leave and refused? I saw a bunch of employees watching, no one telling them to leave. You said they refused to turn off the cameras, where is the rest of the video? Even if the part where they were told to leave was cut out, why was the woman who actually did leave get dragged back inside to be arrested? Can you find a video of the woman who was dragged inside participating in the protest, and refusing to leave after being told to?

I'm sure a lot of them did do exactly that, but what about the one who was manhandled by the thug cop? She obviously left when she was asked to, or else she would have been locked inside. If the bank manager asked them to leave, it is implied that those who obliged will not be charged, with that implication, how is it legal to drag her back inside. That's a trap, there was no way for them to have been inside the bank (part of the protest or not) and not be arrested. You said she was being detained, isn't it more common practice to ask her to place her hands behind her back, instead of picking her up and dragging her inside?

To me, you just seem unwilling to admit that there is a small percentage of cops who are just plain assholes and get a kick out of asserting their authority. I'm sure you and the cops you work with are all honest, but do you really think all of you are? I notice you haven't made a peep in the thread where NYPD cops admitted to planting drugs on innocent people. I would think a cop, would have something to say there.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

And white people.

You can tell he's got a strong bias when he calls the protesters protecting HIS future a bunch of idiots. And he concludes they're going to cause a false flag operation...

My conclusion? He's a fucking crackpot.

I have no doubt that some of the faces were in fact real. Talking to cops who were there, lots of them support the protest. I wouldn't be surprised if a handful of them joined the protest while they were off duty.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Thanks for finding that, yes, if the manager told them to leave, then they were tresspassing. Where is the part where they were asked to leave and refused? I saw a bunch of employees watching, no one telling them to leave.

@3:29

Originally Posted by ninja9578

You said they refused to turn off the cameras, where is the rest of the video?

The branch manager is clearly stating. "no cameras inside the branch" @ 2:53 into the video. During the time when the Asian girl is talking. Noticed how when the branch manager was making this request, the others in the group were telling the Asian girl to "keep going" as if they had no care for the branch managers request. (the rest of the video is at the end of this post).

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Even if the part where they were told to leave was cut out,

Also take notice at the beginning of this video, that the woman with the red hair was actually inside the bank.

It wasn't cut out @3:29 another employee or security states "I kindly ask you, if you could do this outside and not inside the branch". Notice he Asian girl looks directly at the guy but continues to demonstrate.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

why was the woman who actually did leave get dragged back inside to be arrested?

They actually didn't drag her inside the bank if you look closely at the first video. They were subduing her because she was obstructing the officers who were trying to arrest the guy who is seen inside the bank recording, on the video I posted. Here's the rest of the footage from inside, after authorities arrived and take a close look at the end and see who is being dragged back inside the bank. Here's a hint: It's not the woman.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

I'm sure a lot of them did do exactly that, but what about the one who was manhandled by the thug cop? She obviously left when she was asked to, or else she would have been locked inside.

Well she didn't leave because if you notice in this video the woman is INSIDE the bank at the beginning of the footage. She's allowed to leave because she shows the officer her receipt.

IMO, if the bank has been kept afloat with tax payers money, it is public land.

Originally Posted by tommo

IMO, if the bank has been kept afloat with tax payers money, it is public land.

No, the bailout was bullshit, that's part of what the protest is about. The government gave taxpayer money to private companies.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Well she didn't leave because if you notice in this video the woman is INSIDE the bank at the beginning of the footage. She's allowed to leave because she shows the officer her receipt.

Oh, is that what was being said? If I didn't hear it in the video the first time, I'm sure lots of the protesters didn't hear it too. The ones who did were trespassing, the one's who didn't, or the ones who had business at the bank were not. The lady who was assaulted by the cops obviously had business there AND left.

I never said she wasn't inside the bank, I knew she was in the bank, she had a receipt from her transaction. Okay, so she was allowed to leave, then arrested outside for "being inside?" You said she was obstructing the police officers, I once again call bullshit. Find the part of the clip where she was told to move out of the way. What I heard over and over again is "you were inside."

Originally Posted by ninja9578

No, the bailout was bullshit, that's part of what the protest is about. The government gave taxpayer money to private companies.

Um.... ok?

I know that. I said since it is for all intents and purposes, funded by the taxpayers, i.e public, then as far as I'm concerned, their premises are public land.

Read ninja.



Also, Occupy Melbourne apparently overstayed their welcome. They were supposed to move out today, based on some bullshit law or something. They stayed and the riot police came in on horses and full riot gear, pepper sprayed a bunch of people and arrested a bunch more.







Fucken bullshit. Trespassing on public land.... how the fuck is that even possible?

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Oh, is that what was being said? If I didn't hear it in the video the first time, I'm sure lots of the protesters didn't hear it too.

Dude, now you're just being loony. It's very clear in the video what the woman says and the guy off camera says later. I heard it the first time, besides they are not obligated to tell them anything. The manager is no way at liberty whatsoever to let them know anything she's doing. She could have easily contacted the authorities without letting the protesters know a damn thing. They are clearly misguided and obviously had a lack of respect for employees at that establishment. There is no excuse whatsoever for these people to stage a demonstration on private property, disrupt a business, be boisterous and belligerent while disrupting business, cause a scene and put the employees, customers and non-customers at a security risk during this entire fiasco. So they were rightfully arrested, enough said.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

I have no doubt that some of the faces were in fact real. Talking to cops who were there, lots of them support the protest. I wouldn't be surprised if a handful of them joined the protest while they were off duty.

While I agree many police support the protests, none of those faces matched. They looked kind of similar but they were not at all the same person in any of the comparisons.

Yeah and I like how he said "See they've been told to cover up their ears!" LMFAO. Like ears are a 100% defining feature.... massive fail lol

However, it is quite strange that these guys are wearing hoodies and the temperature the 2nd week in NY was hovering between 65 and 68 degrees F. 18 - 20 C. Doesn't seem cold enough to cover ears especially for New Yorkers considering these temperatures is a heat wave for them.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

However, it is quite strange that these guys are wearing hoodies and the temperature the 2nd week in NY was hovering between 65 and 68 degrees F. 18 - 20 C. Doesn't seem cold enough to cover ears especially for New Yorkers considering these temperatures is a heat wave for them.

LOL 18-20 is hot in NY? Jeez....
It's about that here right now and I'm freezing my arse off! haha