Thread: Why do we think Lucifer is bad and God is good?

Tibet should have just given up all their traditions and beliefs forthright because China is more powerful. I don't see why they even put up a fight.

Originally Posted by mcwillis

Lucifer is the name of a great Angel, not an upstart in heaven who revolted against God and was put down into the nether regions as the Devil. That is a complete misinterpretation. Lucifer means light, and comes from the Latin lux, lucis, meaning light. It is the name of the Angel Who ensouls the human kingdom; every person, therefore, is a fragment of Lucifer. According to the esoteric teaching, the human souls individualized 18 and a half million years ago. Lucifer, the Oversoul, diversified itself, and each fragment became individualized.

These individualized human souls descended from the soul plane into incarnation. The 'fall' of Adam and Eve from paradise is the symbolic representation of this event; it has nothing to do with the Devil or with Lucifer as an evil entity, but with the divine nature of humanity itself as souls.

I've heard this idea before, and it meshes well with the way I view things. Satan is a collected consciousness or over-soul of humanity. It has "fallen" or been cast out of heaven in the sense that it has become separated from the higher, more encompassing levels above it. God is the totality of all, which experiences itself by creating descending dimensions, each dimension a further sub-creation. There is an aspect of god, a created level, of which your body, mind and spirit are creations of. This aspect has fallen asleep, becoming disconnected from this whole branching system. Humans, being components of it, are asleep as well.

I would imagine the bible (especially the old testament) is more influenced by this disconnection than by god. It is largely an instrument of control which has had any original knowledge deeply skewed.

I've heard this idea before, and it meshes well with the way I view things

Scientology teaches these same ideas.

No it doesn't.

According to the esoteric teaching, the human souls individualized 18 and a half million years ago. Lucifer, the Oversoul, diversified itself, and each fragment became individualized.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

No it doesn't.

yeah, it does.

Here, have fun finding something to back up your claim: Scientology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you a scientologist greenhavoc?

Originally Posted by Pensive Patrick

Are you a scientologist greenhavoc?

no i'm not. are you?

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

no i'm not. are you?

LOL no. Just sounded like you might have been, also you're rich so makes it slightly more likely.

I did study scientology many years ago for a short time. The therapeutic process, known as auditing, described in the book, 'Dianteics' does have a peculiar side effect of causing the subject undergoing the process to recall various past life memories. I have met a few scientologists in my home town that can vouch for this. It could be that the past life recalls could fit into the discussed time frame of 18 million years. I did have one session of auditing once and it is a very powerful healing method, though I will never become a scientologist. It is also interesting to note that the emotional healing method described in the opening chapter of, 'Brave New World' by Aldous Huxley is the same as L. Ron Hubbard's auditing technique.

Originally Posted by mcwillis

It is also interesting to note that the emotional healing method described in the opening chapter of, 'Brave New World' by Aldous Huxley is the same as L. Ron Hubbard's auditing technique.

Don't you dare put scientology in the same context as Aldous Mother Fucking Huxley.

I hope you realise that conman Hubbard probably just stole it.

Originally Posted by Pensive Patrick

Don't you dare put scientology in the same context as Aldous Mother Fucking Huxley.

I didn't you prat

Scientology is a very successful system, and Aldous Huxley spent a lot of time contemplating what kind of society would be most successful. Whether or not Scientologists are healthy or their system is sustainable when considering the big picture is not the issue. They're the perfect hybrid between a secret society and a cult. I may not trust Scientology but I have to give the system props for its success. It's like Los Zetas. I don't like the shit they do, but I can only admit that it's effective.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

Scientology is a very successful system, and Aldous Huxley spent a lot of time contemplating what kind of society would be most successful. Whether or not Scientologists are healthy or their system is sustainable when considering the big picture is not the issue. They're the perfect hybrid between a secret society and a cult. I may not trust Scientology but I have to give the system props for its success. It's like Los Zetas. I don't like the shit they do, but I can only admit that it's effective.

As far as I know, to date, the instructions for achieivng 'Operating Thetan' levels 9 through to 15 are locked in a vault somewhere.

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

Scientology teaches these same ideas.

I don't know much of anything about Scientology, but there can be threads of truth if even the most corrupt or bizarre systems. Shades of grey, nothing is simply right or wrong.

Originally Posted by Tranquil Toad

I don't know much of anything about Scientology, but there can be threads of truth if even the most corrupt or bizarre systems. Shades of grey, nothing is simply right or wrong.

i agree with you wholeheartedly. it's not easy piecing it all together, but i have faith that one day someone will, if they haven't already. chances are it will be an atheists, how's that for mysterious ways..hurr

This conversation has kind of side tracked, so I'll just reply to the original question.
As a Follower of Christ who lives by the Bible and not the modern church, the reason why God is good, is because that's the exact definition of God, good, loving, and also, holy. The holy part of God is the part that seeks justice from the wickedness of us. Now, according to this belief, anything not of God, or has sinned, is not good. Lucifer, being a former angel, rebelled against God to take his place, however, obviously failed. Creation can't kill Creator, you can believe that wheter you believe in God or not. So, according to the Bible, Lucifer being the one who technically caused sin and also our rebellion, caused or suffering from the beginning. Lucifer does not rule over hell, God does. (Reason why I said this is because I watched the video of the comedian.)
So basically, Satan, or Lucifer, is the reason why we have fallen, causing his evil to just compound. Hope I could explain having asked a Biblical Question, I replied with a Biblical answer. No arguments, please. Blessings.

because societies getting polarized beetween good and bad and all form of contradictions.at the end of the day you need a god who punishes lack of outer morality
and a devil to fear like a coin which spins with stupidity.Am i the only one who thinks that definitions of good and bad are smelling stupidity from a far?

God being good is subjective, I think. Take into consideration the different "interpretations" of the G man. "If you choose to be gay, you'll burn in Hell forever" "Being gay is a sin because the Bible says so and God think it's an abomination", "God hates fags", etc. Gay issues were the first thing I thought of, btw. This makes God into a psychopath hating any anomaly. Is he still "good" for that? Is Lucifer the evil one compared to God?

And then we have the more tolerant "God loves everyone equally" people. See what I mean? People interpret God's "personality" in different ways.

Like that comedian said, if Satan is evil, why would he punish like minded people? Can you be punished if you don't have a physical body? When they say punish, does that mean "burn for eternity"? What's their source on that claim? If I went to Hell I'd just astral project out of there. It should work unless Satan has constructed some kind of anti-astral projection force field.

Actually I'm not sure that its in the bible that satan tortures people when they go to hell. Some where in the bible is a reference of lucifer bound by chains in hell and crying

Not that it matters, you make your own hell anyways

Originally Posted by juroara

Actually I'm not sure that its in the bible that satan tortures people when they go to hell. Some where in the bible is a reference of lucifer bound by chains in hell and crying

Not that it matters, you make your own hell anyways

Hahahaha. Crying in chains in Hell sounds like some kind of human concept of Hell, not divine.

Satan invented Science to troll God

Originally Posted by poopman

thank you for responding to the fool above. i was having a serious facepalm moment when i read the fucking stupid off topic post he made. wow, i hope he gets cancer.

You sir, are a bit of an asshole.

The other person already responded to the "fool above". His response was logical and contributed to the discussion, and made a reasonable point.
YOU, on the other hand, are the most "off-topic" in this thread, because your response was nothing but cursing and hateful banter against the original poster"

Your irrationally hateful comment has severely rustled my jimmies.