Thread: Stop Making Sex Out To Be Bad/Dirty/Gross/Special/Important/Criminal/Unnacceptable/Unsociable

Originally Posted by Jesus of Suburbia

More wrong than making them not do it?

That would depend on the reason for forbidding it.

Originally Posted by Jesus of Suburbia

Assuming you wake up the same time every morning (which you should, a regular sleep schedule is good for you), why not take it right when you get up?

Uh, yeah, try telling that to a teenager.

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Originally Posted by Jookia

The best way to not get pregnant is to not put a penis in your vagina.

I disagree, it'd feel much better to put the penis in the vagina and still not have the girl get pregnant.

Originally Posted by Jookia

The best way to not get pregnant is to not put a penis in your vagina.

(feigning innocence) Where should it go then?

Whoops, sorry for derping in after the whole thing already went down, but I'm me and I basically compulsively debate this shit.

Originally Posted by OpheliaBlue

I can't believe I'm saying this, but PLEASE keep future posts in this thread related to the subject of stopping making sex out to be Bad/Dirty/Gross/Special/Important/Criminal/Unacceptable/Unsociable. No where and in no way did the OP say that pedophilia should be condoned.

Uhm, I'm sorry but it kind of did. It says quite clearly in the OP "/18+" which obviously implies that we should "stop making sex out to be for adults only".

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Oh yeah, the "/18+" is kind of ambiguous, and you could probably say that he didn't mean to imply that pedophilia was included with that, but he clarified it in a later post;

Why?
How about anyone can have sex with anyone as long as they're both okay with it?

So yes, the pedophilia debate is related to the OP.

Originally Posted by melanieb

There is another thread that spent pages and pages debating pedophilia. Try not to repeat it.

The consensus there was that people can't control having the attractions they have (it's how they are made) but everyone agreed that acting out the fantasies or impulses was wrong and produced undesirable consequences all around.

Actually, my point in that thread was much the same as JoS's here. Yes, in our current society, it has a heap load of undesirable consequences, but that's exactly because we think of sex as something bad/dirty/gross/special/important/etc.
If we didn't view it that way, the decision to have sex would be just as hard to make as the decision to watch a movie or going to an amusement park or learning to play an instrument. It's simply a thing in the world that you can do.

- Jesus of Suburbia = Why?
How about anyone can have sex with anyone as long as they're both okay with it?

- Xei = Because there is an issue about the nature of consent. A toddler does not have the ability to make autonomous decisions, but most 18-year-olds do. So presumably there is a point somewhere in between where there is a transition from one state to the other.

Originally Posted by Melanie

I see the above quotes as the perfect question and answer for this debate.

I kinda disagree. Yes, it's true in our current society because sex is special and important and sacred and non-innocent and dirty, but it wouldn't be true if we stopped making sex out to be those things. Sex isn't inherently any of those things, so if we started viewing sex as just sex, there would be no reason anyone would have any difficulty making the decision.
Why does sex require awesome decision making skills when playing games and going to the cinema doesn't?

I personally think it is exactly because of what it says in the OP; it's because we have loaded sex with all kinds of unnecessary and unhelpful ideas that make it a very dangerous and complex thing. It's currently a social minefield that kids have no chance to navigate, but we've planted all the mines ourselves...

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I'm sorry melanie, I'm helping keep the shitstorm-prone discussion going, but I can't help jumping in when I get the chance. And frankly I think it needs to be addressed here too, it really is on-topic due to the inclusion of "18+" in the OP. It wouldn't make sense to exclude the discussion just because people get angry, it just needs to be handled in a civil way.

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And also apologies to Opheliablue, but seriously though, pedophilia really is on-topic for this discussion. Get rid of flaming, insults and so on, that's the real problem, where the discussion goes should be free as long as it doesn't stray off topic.

Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

(feigning innocence) Where should it go then?

Back door.

Maenie, no worries, you're fine. I just didn't want members to attack the OP or other repliers, insinuating that anyone was condoning pedophilia. And I wasn't referring to you being the one making the insinuations.

Pedophilia naturally falls under the umbrella of the main topic, but I don't want members drawing inaccurate conclusions. Which leads to unnecessary flaming. Which leads to locky-doodle-doo.

Again I wasn't targeting you.

I don't think pedophilia should be condoned, just better defined, without the label sex offender given in such a broad, sweeping manner. And I think it's perfectly relevant to the OP to talk about pedophilia for several reasons.

One: Sexual Predation is the slippery slope argument used to keep the stigma surrounding young people having sex intact.

Two: Sex Offender laws are meant to protect people from sexual predation but end up only reinforcing the stigma surrounding young people have sex by treating young people having sex the same way as we would treat sexual predators.

Three: Being attracted to young people is not pedophilia. If they have reached puberty and have already developed the body of a woman, a man is designed to be attracted to her, no matter what the age gap. I don't think there's anything perverted about being attracted to a girl who has developed the features we are evolutionarily designed to be attracted to. I also don't find anything wrong with complimenting a girl on being pretty if she is. I only think it's a little sick to actually hit on a girl who's too young for you, and it's absolutely indefensible to coerce or force a girl of any age to do anything she doesn't want to do. Unfortunately because coercion and force can sometimes be difficult to prove, especially in cases without penetration, we make broad sweeping laws that exacerbate the problem.

You know who's hornier than anyone? Young Mormon Girls. Because they can't fuck until marriage, and are so hopelessly ingrained in this belief, they are obsessed with sex. They still want it but they can't have it, so it's like a compulsion. If you want to protect young people, you need to start open dialogue with young people and explain the actual consequences rather than just forbid something. Women would be better capable of protecting themselves from sexual predators if we didn't make it so shameful for them to admit to being molested or coerced into sex.

Actually, I dont know what jesus is complaining about

Theres plenty of unimportant-not-so-special-sex going on in hollywood romance comedies, people just having sex to have sex. But those movies are boring. Thats why I watch sci-fi fantasy instead!!! Blue-cat-aliens making love on the jungle floor, romance!

Originally Posted by Abra

As long as it's illegal, you'll have more parents which frown upon it. Legalizing it would encourage parental supervision, since parents would no longer feel they were encouraging a crime, by helping their teen children be safely and responsibly sexually active

I had to lol at the image this created in my head.

Originally Posted by khh

I agree, everyone should have mandatory parenting classes before being allowed to have children. That is what you meant, right?

And I read this as "mandatory painting classes".
I was like, what the fuck?

Originally Posted by Original Poster

You know who's hornier than anyone? Young Mormon Girls. Because they can't fuck until marriage, and are so hopelessly ingrained in this belief, they are obsessed with sex.

Hmmmmmmmm........ pretty sure there's a Mormon school down the road from me.
Although it may be a primary school....

Anyway, I think JOS had a point when talking about the main reason child molestation etc. is considered bad is because sex is put on a pedestal.
There are many people who have been molested at a young age and it did not affect them at all. They live perfectly normal lives and have no psychological consequences.
The idea is that when they're young they can't really even comprehend what sex is, so they don't think of it as wrong or right at all.
As an article I read once said, "It's just something that happened".

Of course if it's forceful rape (to most people, of any age), that's gonna have pain, domination etc. involved which will be a bad experience and memory and could fuck someone up. Just like if someone gets ambushed and beaten up.
But even then, I think that the graphic portrayals in media have only exacerbated the problem.

There is strong evidence that treating PTSD in war veterans only worsens their symptoms. And the horror story-like descriptions do not help.
People expect to have that happen, and so it does.