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      Re: Shocking and definitive proof of what dreams really are Started by FrankDiMeglio

      I hope I am not breaking protocol by bringing this up again, but the prior thread was closed. I came to it inadvertantly because of a comment Sageous made to me. If anyone is worried about it, I really don't think Frank will find this new thread.

      I don't mind saying that I found the thread immensely entertaining. I laughed out loud many times. Not so much at what Frank said, but at the hilarious responses. I wish it was still going. I'm not sure what it was that frightened admins into stopping it.

      Anyhow, I have met many Franks. He is probably a schizophrenic. Many of them are homeless. When I see them, I often stop and spend time with them. Sometimes I need to just sit with them for an hour before they trust me enough to open up. I don't get much from doing this, but I find it interesting.

      What I have found is that they seem to feel very strongly about their perspective. They do notice that others do not understand them. They feel that their insight is so important that they need to keep trying to get it across. Most give up trying. Props to Frank for continuing to try. I do not believe that he was a robot. I do not believe that he was promoting a book. I believe that he was promoting a vision that he believed was true, even though it was incomprehensible. Einstein's vision was incomprehensible to all but about 5 people when he introduced it.

      It seemed that he had realized that the dream world experience was an avenue worthy of true scientific exploration, perhaps an avenue to a cosmic understanding of reality that was revolutionary. I would hope that anyone interested in a deeper understanding of lucid dreaming might be sympathetic to this perspective.

      It is possible that Frank was "crazy" and it is also possible that Frank was "genius". It is possible that Frank was incapable of communicating a perspective that was as far beyond our understanding as it would be for someone to try to explain radio wave frequency to a person 300 years ago.

      I would like to congratulate the community at Dreamviews for trying so diligently to communicate with Frank, but especially to Havago who did an excellent job of rephrasing his sentences into normal language.

      JJ
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      Quote Originally Posted by JJFrank View Post
      I hope I am not breaking protocol by bringing this up again, but the prior thread was closed.
      Nope. As long this will not turn into "let's bash on Frank". Because Frank the human is a real person, perhaps. But he is not the one posting these threads here. I think.

      Quote Originally Posted by JJFrank View Post
      I wish it was still going. I'm not sure what it was that frightened admins into stopping it.
      Lol, we no scared of no frank. But you guys were not talking to Frank. You were talking to a software. If you were talking to a human Frank, there would have been no reason to lock it. But there was no conversation going on, because the software is programmed to spam, not converse.

      As the locking was explained here: http://www.dreamviews.com/extended-d...ml#post2085110
      Quote Originally Posted by gab View Post
      This is what I think. I think you are an unscrupulous publisher or marketer, who was paid to publicise client's book. And your client has no idea, how bad of a job you are doing at that.

      So, this thread is going to be locked. Please contact your client, FrankDiMeglio, and invite him to post here for some meaningful conversation. No more roboposts, or your account will be locked as well.

      I will also attempt to contact Frank and tell him about this. Also, real Frank, if you can explain this in a PM to me, please do so.

      Now, if I'm wrong about all this, I will owe you an apology. Happy dreams ya'all.
      On this forum, robo-poster made it to page 10, before their patience ran out. http://www.sciforums.com/showthread....gnetism/page10

      Oh, and Frank, you not related to Frank, right?

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      I believe the same JJFrank.
      Good idea opening this thread!

      My guess was mania - but could be you are correct with schizophrenia.

      Not a spam-program and surely not advertisement. He repeatedly told us, that everything, which he had found out and written in that book would already be in the thread. Not a sales argument, is it now?

      And as I said over there as well - for being anything commercial - this is way too disorganized thinking.
      And this belief of being correct , seeing connections and patterns, where there are none - or at least none visible to others, the delusions of grandeur, which are undeniably there. Disturbed communication skills...
      Repeatedly stating all his ramblings would be clearly understandable to everybody and self-evident for example - this is clearly a delusion.
      I actually also thought, I might be able to translate - and I enjoy such a thing sometimes - but it is just too shallow and confused to entice me.

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      okok, can't resist. Few nice posts from the other forum

      How dreams theoretically AND actually unify gravity, inertia, and electromagnetism - Page 9
      and check out the one right below the linked one for more insight

      Ooo, and they have a "cesspool". We only lock 'em.


      How dreams theoretically AND actually unify gravity, inertia, and electromagnetism - Page 9

      How dreams theoretically AND actually unify gravity, inertia, and electromagnetism - Page 8

      oh, and check out the tags on bottom of pages there.

      How dreams theoretically AND actually unify gravity, inertia, and electromagnetism - Page 6

      Ok, I'll let you have fun finding rest of the gems.

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      And?
      How does that show, he is not a human with a troubled mind?

      Edit: Exchange from there:

      Moderator note: This thread appears to be based on a set of completely unsupported assertions that have been repeated several times.

      There is no Alternative Theory here - just idle speculation.

      Moved to Pseudoscience.
      Quote Originally Posted by Frank M DiMeglio
      The "Moderator" of this forum is a liar -- Fact.
      Moderator, it is strange that you cannot, and do not, even begin to say why what you say is true.

      Moderator, you are clearly a liar and/or an idiot and/or very lazy.
      Bot?
      Advertisement?
      Sales agent?

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      Hi Gab,

      Nice of you to express your reasoning.

      I do feel fear in you. You even imply that because my name has the letters F R A N K that I might actually be the dreaded Mr. DiMeglio. Relax. I understand that you want to protect the integrity of this forum. Controlling crazies is an important job. I am not criticizing you.

      I am simply wondering if there is something important in what Mr. DiMeglio is saying. As I said, I have been wondering this about schizos for years. Perhaps they are prophets.

      I like your inference of "roboposters" keeping a thread going for "10 pages", but does this assertion have any basis in fact, because it sounds like scifi conspiracy theory. Yes, that's right. I am saying that you may in fact be as crazy as the people that you are shutting down. Nothing personal. Just trying to get to the truth.

      The point is that crazy people might have a glimmer of truth in what they are trying to communicate. Havago brilliantly demonstrated this. Do you recognize that her rephrasing of DiMeglio's diatribe was actually quite coherent?

      I would enjoy a discussion of DiMeglios theories independent of his incoherent expression and respectful of the fact that all of us are exploring mysterious and inexplicable territory that has a significance of unknown magnitude.

      JJ




      Quote Originally Posted by gab View Post
      Nope. As long this will not turn into "let's bash on Frank". Because Frank the human is a real person, perhaps. But he is not the one posting these threads here. I think.


      Lol, we no scared of no frank. But you guys were not talking to Frank. You were talking to a software. If you were talking to a human Frank, there would have been no reason to lock it. But there was no conversation going on, because the software is programmed to spam, not converse.

      As the locking was explained here: http://www.dreamviews.com/extended-d...ml#post2085110


      On this forum, robo-poster made it to page 10, before their patience ran out. How dreams theoretically AND actually unify gravity, inertia, and electromagnetism - Page 10

      Oh, and Frank, you not related to Frank, right?

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      Okay, I am going to attempt to translate Mr. DiMeglio's rantings. He said:

      Mass/energy/force (middle gravity and middle inertia) is equivalently expressed as (middle) length/distance in/of space. Gravity and inertia are key to distance in/of space.

      All of what I have demonstrated in this post manifests in/as dream experience. We are semi-immobilized in dreams, and that is half inertia.

      The baby grows at/from the center of the body, and that is half gravity.

      Dreams involve a fundamental integration AND spreading of being, experience (and space), and thought at the [gravitational] mid-range of feeling between thought and sensory experience.

      Dreams make thought more like sensory experience in general.

      I have demonstrated the fundamental unification of physics in/as dream experience.


      This is just one small passage. I will try to find some sense in it.

      1. Why does he say "mass/energy/force" instead of using one word? This may be because he finds that commonly accepted language distorts true understanding. Perhaps he finds using common language simply reinforces common misunderstanding. Perhaps he is trying to create a hybrid language that bypasses common understanding and delivers the open-minded reader into a more open and flexible perception of the world.

      2. He then parenthetically adds "(middle gravity and middle inertia)" to the already awkward phrase "mass/energy/force". Perhaps this is significant also. No classically trained physicist knows what "middle gravity" is. There is no commonly accepted conception of this phrase. Well, what if DiMeglio is on to something? What if there is a realm of reality that is not what we consider "full gravity"? What if the dream world actually IS "half-gravity"?

      3. DiMeglio says "We are semi-immobilized in dreams, and that is half inertia." This is obviously true to any student of dream science. We are physically immobilized while dreaming. He is telling us that this meets his definition of "half-inertia". While dreaming we are half conscious, half immobilized.

      4. We grow from embryos. The embyo is at the midpoint of the mother. This is obvious, but maybe it has a deeper significance than we realized. DiMeglio says this is "half-gravity". He really is trying to relate to the world that we know and help us connect to his perspective.

      5. He says that dreams are at the midpoint between thought and sensory experience. This is not so farfetched. Dreams are at the midpoint of awakeness and something, but what is the something? He says it is thought. Nobody knows what thought is. Maybe DiMeglio is on to something. He says that dreams are a bridge between what we think (our desires?) and what we sense. Perhaps he is explaining how dreams become reality.

      6. "Dreams make thought more like sensory experience in general." = Dreams evolve us into the next phase of being.

      7. "I have demonstrated the fundamental unification of physics in/as dream experience." = Dreams are real. Dreams are part of physics. Dreams are the way our desires (thoughts) are manifested into physical reality.

      Does any of this make DeMeglios rants a little more understandable?

      JJ
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      Quote Originally Posted by JJFrank View Post
      Does any of this make DeMeglios rants a little more understandable?
      Sadly, JJ, no.

      You did a fine job "translating," but were those translations actual, comprehensive translations, or simply your own attachment of valid, reasonable meaning to meaningless phrases? I am confident that that attachment was carefully thought out, and done with the best of intentions, but it is still very likely still attachment... the explanations you provided were yours, and not Frank's.

      That said: I want to agree with your OP very much. Disheartening as it is that a mentally distressed soul was assembling those posts -- trying perhaps to push something very deep from his troubled mind -- I would rather feel sorry for Frank, and perhaps even symbolically help him by trying to understand his words as you did so well. But words are what I do for a living, and the words Frank presented, even those few times when he responded to other members, were simply too mechanical. I could be wrong about this, and perhaps I am, but every clue seems to lean toward something much more disingenuous than the complicated manifesto of a troubled genius.

      That said, I think starting this thread is an excellent idea... some of what Frank said raised interesting questions, questions which of course Frank failed or refused to address; given your (and Havago's) interesting translation of Frank's work, perhaps a conversation could be had about his pronouncements. And perhaps in the course of that conversation the jaundiced eyes of some of us callous cynics will be opened to his revelations and genius. Or not, but the effort might prove worth it.

      Also, I don't think it is fair to attack Gab for her actions. This is supposed to be a forum, a place for conversation, and not a personal blog site. Frank was not interested in conversing, only preaching. His posts were not conversational at best, and at worst they may have been a collection of random statements assembled from a pool of words that may have come from Frank for the sake of promoting his work. That the same thing happened at other sites, and similar reactions were had is telling. We could of course all be wrong (I hope we are), but to blame a DV moderator for choosing to maintain the integrity of her forum (aka: moderating) doesn't seem right to me.

      That said, I hope a conversation about the potential substance of the body of Frank's work continues, and, though I wouldn't wish mental illness on anyone, I for one would prefer that these threads sprang from a broken mind rather than greedy one.

      I hope some of this makes sense, and I also hope that if this conversation continues it is about the subjects the Author Frank DeMeglio presented, and not one the intentions of the participants in these conversations. I also hope no offense was taken, because none was meant.
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      Quote Originally Posted by JJFrank View Post
      Hi Gab,

      Nice of you to express your reasoning.

      I do feel fear in you. You even imply that because my name has the letters F R A N K that I might actually be the dreaded Mr. DiMeglio. Relax. I understand that you want to protect the integrity of this forum. Controlling crazies is an important job. I am not criticizing you.
      Let's try again. Thread was closed to actually protect author FrankDiMeglio. Because of a suspicion, that his text got into wrong hands, or at least is used in a way that would harm the author. Same reason, I was trying to find him and alert him to this fact.

      And, because there was no discussion going on. If you look at the other forum I linked, they were still asking him in post #168 or somewhere around there to please, please post some explanation, or at least one meaninglful post with answers to others questions. Hence my comment about "10 pages".

      Not to mock anybody, just to show, that there really is NO conversation with this person or software that claimes to be Frank. As I also mentioned, I PMed "frank" and asked for explanation. His reply was same robotic, nonsensical, with 0 explanation or answers.

      So no, Frank is not feared, and nor are you. And no, I don't think you two are the same person. And telling me to relax is kinda insulting. My fault, I guess. I failed to attach any or to my post, to show that I'm kidding about frank and frank. If that offended you, I apologise.

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      He is Wrong

      JJ

      I found lots of evidence that the other Frank is not mentality ill. Like that spambot makes him sound.

      That spambot thingy is destroying the real Frank's reputation.

      I'm sad that the real Frank isn't here. And I wish that spambot thingy was banned.

      Here is something that the real frank wrote in 2009. I bold the bits that my dream/s prove not applicable to my dreams:

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      Humanbeingbook's Weblog | Just another WordPress.com weblog

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      Dreams involve a sense of relative familiarity with the experience therein.

      Furthermore, dreams involve a fundamental integration and spreading of being and experience, thereby increasing the capacity for memory and understanding;

      for there is an increase in the extensiveness of experience during dreams, and also a relative reduction in [the totality of] experience while dreaming.

      Therefore, dreams simultaneously improve upon the ability to both learn and remember in conjunction with new experiences/thoughts.

      (This effect is clearly evident in the works of genius, and also with the past/present/future extensiveness and superior predictability regarding the thoughts of genius.)

      It is for these reasons that the dream neither involves what has happened (the past) nor what will happen (the future); but, dreams have essential, substantial, and significant bearing regarding what can happen (in relation to past, present, and future experience).

      The fundamental integration and spreading of being and experience during dreams is essential to the continuity and extensiveness of being and experience (and thought) in time.

      Memory integrates experience. Memory, genius, and dreams improve upon the integrated extensiveness of experience (and thought). Attention is improved in conjunction with the integrated extensiveness of experience and thought.

      Given the successful and increased (yet limited) involvement of the unconscious, the highest (or ideal) form of genius involves a superior integration of a greater totality of experience, thereby achieving a fundamental integration, growth, and spreading of being and experience (and of desire, thought, and emotion).

      Attention and memory are both improved and relatively sustained in conjunction therewith.

      Emotion that is comprehensive and balanced advances consciousness.

      * Elevated and sustained desire and energy are connected with both courage and genius, and with the advancement of consciousness and life as well; for dreams involve a fundamental integration and spreading of being and experience; and it is important that there is neither fatigue nor tiredness in the dream.*

      I will stop hear because I had a dream where I was suprised to find that I had my diabetic neuropathic feet. I walked wobbly and couldn't keep up with a dream character. And I did feel sort of fatigued because of it in the dream. So I turned to shuffle back to the tree.

      So he's wrong.

      This dream was an attempt to (dream) remote view WakingNomad's 9th Target (Ayers Rock) Uluru, in the desert. (I think)

      Here’s the link to that dream...oh...I haven't posted a dream since that one...

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      Ah - now this havago is more comprehensible - to be honest - neither translations of the actual stuff in his first thread did make sense to me.
      And as said - I would have done it myself, had I seen a possibility to do it better.
      What this shows in my eyes, is that he used to be more coherent some years ago than he is now.
      I'm more with Sageous on why it is a good thing to have that original thread locked - it is simply too pointless as to be able to birth worth of some sort.
      Rather it would go on down in attacks and mechanical repetitions further on like it did.
      I just really fail to see a possibility that a bot or second person stands behind it.
      The notion to protect Frank from repercussions of that thread, though, makes a lot of sense to me.

      Once he cools down a bit - or a bit more - on his own or even with a little help from a psychiatrist - he sure will not be delighted about how he exposed himself and his muddled thinking all over the net.

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      I agree that Frank probably has some kind of mental illness. His writing was in the typical style of a crackpot. It's up for debate to what extent crackpots are mentally unwell, but Frank was such an extreme case, with his obsessive and unintelligible writing and his inability to provide any kind of cogent response to questions, that he definitely crossed over that line. If you Google him you can find many posts on many different sites, from a number of years ago up to the present. They all look like original material, though with a consistent writing style and recurring obsessions.

      Quote Originally Posted by gab View Post
      Not to mock anybody, just to show, that there really is NO conversation with this person or software that claimes to be Frank. As I also mentioned, I PMed "frank" and asked for explanation. His reply was same robotic, nonsensical, with 0 explanation or answers.
      Software doesn't usually have the courtesy to reply to PMs.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Xei View Post
      Software doesn't usually have the courtesy to reply to PMs.
      I'm sure there is a person behind the software that monitors, but doesn't really care. He is only here to put out fires, like the PM.

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      Hach - I don't actually care to get to the bottom of this so much - but I can't imagine somebody working for our supposed author - did he even ever publish something?

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      Quote Originally Posted by StephL View Post
      Hach - I don't actually care to get to the bottom of this so much - but I can't imagine somebody working for our supposed author - did he even ever publish something?

      There is nothing mechanical or human , other than Frank, writing this site. I can assure you.
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      Quote Originally Posted by dave36333 View Post
      There is nothing mechanical or human , other than Frank, writing this site. I can assure you.
      Welcome to the forum, dave!
      Only signed up to confirm my notion?
      Hope not - happy dreamings!

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      Quote Originally Posted by dave36333 View Post
      There is nothing mechanical or human , other than Frank, writing this site. I can assure you.
      Um, Okay. Can you assure us with more than one sentence?

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      Thanks Steph. Nice to meet ya. I think you all see Frank has anxiety issues(?). Im not a shrink but I had a friend who recently passed away from
      cancer that was a psychologist. He said something like there isn't just one anxiety disorder that exists at a time but usually many. Along
      with anxiety there is depression as they appear to be twins of each other and one cannot exist without the other. So maybe this is Demglio's issues that has to be resolved. The postings on here from him appear to be cut and paste responses as he probably cannot give a clear answer as to what he means or what we are supposed to believe. That's my opinion. But keep having fun. Im here to watch and post a little too
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      Sageous, Yes, There is a Frank Demeglio ( That's now 2 sentences, ..haha...)

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      I wrote a longer post asking why it must be assumed that Frank was sick in order to have posted this stuff, instead of just being a crank desperately trying to sell his book, but I deleted it. Sometimes the high one is the road best taken. This conversation has gotten old fast, and I for one am unsubscribing and leaving Frank lie.
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      The main thing is that sane cranks at least show some acknowledgement of the external world outside of their obsessions, and they'll defend themselves against criticisms, even if it's in a prevaricating or illogical way. Frank seemed to have zero capacity for communicating with other people in any way. He didn't even seem very cogent of the fact that other people existed.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Xei View Post
      The main thing is that sane cranks at least show some acknowledgement of the external world outside of their obsessions, and they'll defend themselves against criticisms, even if it's in a prevaricating or illogical way. Frank seemed to have zero capacity for communicating with other people in any way. He didn't even seem very cogent of the fact that other people existed.
      Oh Frank knows that other people exist. He just thinks they are all idiots that are too stupid to understand him.
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      The following post is written by Author Frank DiMeglio. My full name is Frank Martin DiMeglio.
      The same writings/contents are also written at the Author Frank DiMeglio Publisher Page, so you know that this is me gab (Tech Administrator).

      Care to explain what is wrong with the following gab? Do you really think that this is not Author Frank DiMeglio gab, really?
      gab, what are you doing; and why?


      Fundamentally proven inertial and gravitational equivalency: Why we necessarily exist in, and have extension of experience in, the middle distance in/of space. HUGE NEWS !!!

      Together, on balance, the top of the VISIBLE head/body and the adjoining INVISIBLE space there constitute a MIDDLE distance in/of space. The VISIBLE space (of the Earth/ground) to the INVISIBLE space at the very top of the visible body/head also constitutes a middle distance in/of space.

      Fundamentally and most importantly, invisible and visible space in FUNDAMENTAL equilibrium and balance necessarilly consitutes a MIDDLE distance in/of space consistent with BOTH half gravity and half inertia.

      Very importantly, while standing upright in our waking experience, FULL GRAVITY involves FULL DISTANCE in/of space as it is seen, felt, AND touched. Consider the VISIBLE Earth/ground. (Consider the range of touch/feeling.)

      Now, most importantly, the space above the VISIBLE Earth/ground involves visible AND invisible space in FUNDAMENTAL equilibrium and balance. Accordingly, this invisible space IS middle distance in/of space consistent with half gravity AND half inertia.

      Full distance in/of space is in fundamental and natural equilibrium and balance with middle distance in/of space.

      The invisible space that we live in exists BETWEEN outer space (full inertia) and the VISIBLE ground/Earth (full gravity). This invisible space is necessarily different from both outer space and the visible Earth/ground. This middle distance in/of space does necessarily involve visible AND invisible space in FUNDAMENTAL equilibrium and balance consistent with what IS middle distance in/of space (along with half gravity and half inertia AS WELL).

      VISION begins INVISIBLY inside the eye/body. This fundamental visual experience of the invisible eye/space IS the fundamental experience of the body as well. Notice the invisible space at the top of the head/body while waking and standing. The invisible middle distance in/of space is where weight and the feeling of gravity begin. There is weightlessness in outer space, and the Earth/ground involves FULL weight and FULL gravity.

      The direct/real/true/actual experience of outer space AS IT IS destroys and precludes us, our thought, and all of our experience (including visual). The space is black, there is weightlessness, and we are not touching anything. Think about it. It ALL makes sense. Outer space is FULL INERTIA.

      We necessarily exist in the MIDDLE distance in/of space.

      Here I have established inertial and gravitational equivalency and balancing in the most fundamental and extensive fashion that is possible.

      by Author Frank DiMeglio

      I have fundamentally and ultimately explained inertial and gravitational equivalency and balancing in conjunction with the fundamental explanation and description of/involving both visible and invisible space.
      ================================================== =================
      DEFINITIVE PROOF OF THE FUNDAMENTAL AND ULTIMATE UNIFICATION AND BALANCING OF INERTIA AND GRAVITY

      Dreams balance being AND experience and demonstrate the fundamental and ultimate equivalency and balancing of gravity, inertia, and electromagnetism. This involves half gravity and half inertia, as visible and invisible space in fundamental equilbrium and balance IS the experience of the middle distance in/of space (including seen, felt, AND touched). This space is semi-detached from touch consistent with the experience of the middle distance in/of space and half gravity and half inertia. Importantly, VISION begins INVISIBLY inside the eye/body.

      Now, I have successfully applied this to waking experience as follows.

      While standing upright in our waking experience, FULL GRAVITY is FULL DISTANCE in/of space as it is seen, felt, AND touched. (Consider the range of feeling/touch.) Now, consider the VISIBLE Earth/ground, as space is not detached from touch.

      This space can be equivalently understood as the invisible space above the Earth/ground as follows. Visible AND invisible space in FUNDAMENTAL equilibrium and balance IS a MIDDLE distance in/of space consistent with half inertia and half gravity. Indeed, this space is BETWEEN the VISIBLE ground/Earth and outer space. Outer space involves FULL INERTIA; as the direct/true/real experience of outer space AS IT IS destroys and precludes us, our thought, and our experience (including visual). This space is fully detached from touch, there is weightlessness, and the space is black. It all makes sense. We are not touching anything, and outer space cannot be touched at all.
      =================================
      Notice how the VISIBLE waking experience IS comparatively INVISIBLE in relation to what is dream experience. VERY IMPORTANT. Vision begins invisibly inside the eye/body. Full distance in/of space is in fundamental and natural equilibrium and balance with middle distance in/of space.
      =================================
      Dream experience is separate from, and yet it is also fundamentally and undeniably linked with, waking experience. Dreams involve an essential and fundamental mastery of physics and physical experience.

      Importantly, vision begins invisibly inside the eye/body. Invisible and visible space in fundamental equilibrium and balance in dreams is consistent with the experience of the middle distance in/of space (including seen and felt/touched) in conjunction with quantum gravity and fundamentally equivalent and balanced gravity, electromagnetism, and inertia. Dreams necessarily involve half gravity and half inertia in conjunction with fundamentally equivalent and balanced gravity, inertia, and electromagnetism. Therefore, dream experience is that of the middle distance in/of space in keeping with fundamentally balanced and middle strength feeling/touch/force/energy. Accordingly, the maximum of balanced force/energy/feeling/touch in dreams is half in comparison with the feeling/touch that is experienced at the feet (at what is also the visible Earth/ground) while waking and standing. Comparatively, we are talking about a range of feeling/touch; as full gravity is full distance in/of space as it is seen, felt, and touched. Notice the fundamentally balanced half or middle strength gravity, inertia, and electromagnetism in dreams that necessarily involves the middle distance in/of space (including half gravity and half inertia of necessity).

      It is a great truth/fact that the self represents, forms, and experiences a comprehensive approximation of experience in general by combining conscious and unconscious experience. Dream experience is consistent with the most fundamental and great truth/fact that the self represents, forms, and experiences a comprehensive approximation of experience in general by combining conscious and unconscious experience. Indeed, if the self did not represent, form, and experience a comprehensive approximation of experience in general by combining conscious and unconscious experience, we would then be incapable of growth and of becoming other than we are. There is no outsmarting the genius of dreams.
      ================================================== =======
      Fundamentally and most importantly, invisible and visible space in FUNDAMENTAL equilibrium and balance necessarily consitutes a MIDDLE distance in/of space consistent with BOTH half gravity and half inertia. This statement applies perfectly, consistently, and entirely to dream experience as well. I have proven this.

      By Author Frank DiMeglio

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      Nice to know you exist, Frank. Would you be willing to prove it further by gracing us with some answers to questions about your pronouncements?

      For instance, could you clarify what "invisible space" is, given that all space is pretty much by definition invisible (you only see what is in space, and not space itself)?

      A little clarification of this middle distance would be nice, as well -- are you speaking metaphorically here, perhaps endorsing moderation?

      I hope you will now show us some respect, Frank, and discuss these things with us rather than continue shouting pronouncements at us -- this is after all not a blog site, but a forum. Easing up on all those caps, slashes, and bold would go a long way with us as well. I hope you will settle down a bit and work with us... perhaps then we will understand what you mean rather than completely miss it, and then ridicule what we missed.
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      That was beautiful. I did not think Frank would find this, but he did. Frank has a message for us. It may be true, or it may be not. I don't really care. It is interesting to investigate.

      As background, I would like to mention that my brother was hearing-impaired. He spoke the way he heard. Doctors said he heard as we would if we were underwater. Nobody could understand his "underwater-speech". Except me. I was 5 years old.

      For some reason, my other younger brother learned to speak from his older hearing-impaired older brother. He also spoke in under-water-speak. I understood them both perfectly, so I had to translate for the rest of the world.

      As I mentioned before, I often engage schizophrenics in dialogue. It is seldom two-way. I am ok with that. I don't know why.

      Anyone can hear that Frank has a strong need to be identified as the author. This is typical of schizos. Most of us take self-identification for granted. It is normal. It is reality. We do not realize that our self identification is merely an elaborately constructed illusion that helps us operate in the "real" world. We say things like the "real world" as though it is something concrete, but it is not. It only seems concrete because we have comrades who believe in the same reality and they help us sustain it. Schizos do not have this group validation so they are constantly attempting to establish it. Frank's dismissal by those who do not understand him is the reason he does this.

      What Frank is saying is very simple. I think that Frank is saying it because he believes that it will help people to connect to his reality. He feels very disconnected. He is trying to connect. It is very difficult to be in an awareness that isn't the norm. Frank is so far gone from our reality that he seems insane. A person like yourself from 2014 would seem insane to a person from 1914. Imagine telling a person from 1914 that men would be marrying men legally or even that women would vote!

      Frank is aware that the dream perception is different than the waking perception. We all know that, but none of us know why. Frank seems to think that there is an explanation that is rooted in physics. He has invented the terms half-gravity and half-inertia. This should be easy for any student of lucid dreaming to appreciate. Dreams are obviously a way of experiencing that is between complete physical immersion and whatever might be beyond.

      Frank speaks of the VISIBLE and the INVISIBLE. These should be easy concepts for explorers of lucid dreaming to understand. He clearly says that the VISIBLE is the head/body, earth/ground, touch/feeling.

      Where he loses me is in saying that there is a distance between full-gravity and full-inertia. This is intriguing. He has also said that dreams are not of the mind, but of the body. Most people assume that our minds are the source of dreams. What if it is actually our bodies? How would this change our understanding of what dreams are?

      Full gravity is ground/earth. Full inertia is outer space. We live in between.

      Okay, so Frank's expression is confusing and downright annoying. But it is possible that the next Stephen Hawking is reading this and will come up with the next grand unification theory because of reading it.

      Frank says that vision begins invisibly inside the eye/body. This is obvious to any student of perceptual physics. There is no absolute perception. We create "reality" out of the many physical perceptions that we percieve. We ignore and filter out most of percepton and only remember those perceptions which validate what we want to perceive. There is a lot of filtering between what happens and what we remember. Perception is not absolute but is essentially a dream-perception of reality, similar to how our minds interpret what we objectively percieve so that we only remember those things that reinforce our biases.

      We live in between the realm of the physical ("full-gravity")and the unlimited realm of "full inertia". Dreams connect us. He says our visible experience is invisible to our dream experience. There is a connection between how we dream and how we process perception. They are similar processes experienced in different contexts.

      Or, as Frank says: "Comparatively, we are talking about a range of feeling/touch; as full gravity is full distance in/of space as it is seen, felt, and touched. Notice the fundamentally balanced half or middle strength gravity, inertia, and electromagnetism in dreams that necessarily involves the middle distance in/of space"

      Reality is not what you have been led to believe. Dreams are telling you this. Your fascination with them is not a game. You may not be ready to accept the message that they are bringing to you. The message is coming anyhow. There are others who have gone farther than you. When they speak to you they will seem insane. What you are now would be insane to a typical human of 100 years ago.

      JJ





      Quote Originally Posted by FrankDiMeglio View Post
      The following post is written by Author Frank DiMeglio. My full name is Frank Martin DiMeglio.
      The same writings/contents are also written at the Author Frank DiMeglio Publisher Page, so you know that this is me gab (Tech Administrator).

      Care to explain what is wrong with the following gab? Do you really think that this is not Author Frank DiMeglio gab, really?
      gab, what are you doing; and why?


      Fundamentally proven inertial and gravitational equivalency: Why we necessarily exist in, and have extension of experience in, the middle distance in/of space. HUGE NEWS !!!

      Together, on balance, the top of the VISIBLE head/body and the adjoining INVISIBLE space there constitute a MIDDLE distance in/of space. The VISIBLE space (of the Earth/ground) to the INVISIBLE space at the very top of the visible body/head also constitutes a middle distance in/of space.

      Fundamentally and most importantly, invisible and visible space in FUNDAMENTAL equilibrium and balance necessarilly consitutes a MIDDLE distance in/of space consistent with BOTH half gravity and half inertia.

      Very importantly, while standing upright in our waking experience, FULL GRAVITY involves FULL DISTANCE in/of space as it is seen, felt, AND touched. Consider the VISIBLE Earth/ground. (Consider the range of touch/feeling.)

      Now, most importantly, the space above the VISIBLE Earth/ground involves visible AND invisible space in FUNDAMENTAL equilibrium and balance. Accordingly, this invisible space IS middle distance in/of space consistent with half gravity AND half inertia.

      Full distance in/of space is in fundamental and natural equilibrium and balance with middle distance in/of space.

      The invisible space that we live in exists BETWEEN outer space (full inertia) and the VISIBLE ground/Earth (full gravity). This invisible space is necessarily different from both outer space and the visible Earth/ground. This middle distance in/of space does necessarily involve visible AND invisible space in FUNDAMENTAL equilibrium and balance consistent with what IS middle distance in/of space (along with half gravity and half inertia AS WELL).

      VISION begins INVISIBLY inside the eye/body. This fundamental visual experience of the invisible eye/space IS the fundamental experience of the body as well. Notice the invisible space at the top of the head/body while waking and standing. The invisible middle distance in/of space is where weight and the feeling of gravity begin. There is weightlessness in outer space, and the Earth/ground involves FULL weight and FULL gravity.

      The direct/real/true/actual experience of outer space AS IT IS destroys and precludes us, our thought, and all of our experience (including visual). The space is black, there is weightlessness, and we are not touching anything. Think about it. It ALL makes sense. Outer space is FULL INERTIA.

      We necessarily exist in the MIDDLE distance in/of space.

      Here I have established inertial and gravitational equivalency and balancing in the most fundamental and extensive fashion that is possible.

      by Author Frank DiMeglio

      I have fundamentally and ultimately explained inertial and gravitational equivalency and balancing in conjunction with the fundamental explanation and description of/involving both visible and invisible space.
      ================================================== =================
      DEFINITIVE PROOF OF THE FUNDAMENTAL AND ULTIMATE UNIFICATION AND BALANCING OF INERTIA AND GRAVITY

      Dreams balance being AND experience and demonstrate the fundamental and ultimate equivalency and balancing of gravity, inertia, and electromagnetism. This involves half gravity and half inertia, as visible and invisible space in fundamental equilbrium and balance IS the experience of the middle distance in/of space (including seen, felt, AND touched). This space is semi-detached from touch consistent with the experience of the middle distance in/of space and half gravity and half inertia. Importantly, VISION begins INVISIBLY inside the eye/body.

      Now, I have successfully applied this to waking experience as follows.

      While standing upright in our waking experience, FULL GRAVITY is FULL DISTANCE in/of space as it is seen, felt, AND touched. (Consider the range of feeling/touch.) Now, consider the VISIBLE Earth/ground, as space is not detached from touch.

      This space can be equivalently understood as the invisible space above the Earth/ground as follows. Visible AND invisible space in FUNDAMENTAL equilibrium and balance IS a MIDDLE distance in/of space consistent with half inertia and half gravity. Indeed, this space is BETWEEN the VISIBLE ground/Earth and outer space. Outer space involves FULL INERTIA; as the direct/true/real experience of outer space AS IT IS destroys and precludes us, our thought, and our experience (including visual). This space is fully detached from touch, there is weightlessness, and the space is black. It all makes sense. We are not touching anything, and outer space cannot be touched at all.
      =================================
      Notice how the VISIBLE waking experience IS comparatively INVISIBLE in relation to what is dream experience. VERY IMPORTANT. Vision begins invisibly inside the eye/body. Full distance in/of space is in fundamental and natural equilibrium and balance with middle distance in/of space.
      =================================
      Dream experience is separate from, and yet it is also fundamentally and undeniably linked with, waking experience. Dreams involve an essential and fundamental mastery of physics and physical experience.

      Importantly, vision begins invisibly inside the eye/body. Invisible and visible space in fundamental equilibrium and balance in dreams is consistent with the experience of the middle distance in/of space (including seen and felt/touched) in conjunction with quantum gravity and fundamentally equivalent and balanced gravity, electromagnetism, and inertia. Dreams necessarily involve half gravity and half inertia in conjunction with fundamentally equivalent and balanced gravity, inertia, and electromagnetism. Therefore, dream experience is that of the middle distance in/of space in keeping with fundamentally balanced and middle strength feeling/touch/force/energy. Accordingly, the maximum of balanced force/energy/feeling/touch in dreams is half in comparison with the feeling/touch that is experienced at the feet (at what is also the visible Earth/ground) while waking and standing. Comparatively, we are talking about a range of feeling/touch; as full gravity is full distance in/of space as it is seen, felt, and touched. Notice the fundamentally balanced half or middle strength gravity, inertia, and electromagnetism in dreams that necessarily involves the middle distance in/of space (including half gravity and half inertia of necessity).

      It is a great truth/fact that the self represents, forms, and experiences a comprehensive approximation of experience in general by combining conscious and unconscious experience. Dream experience is consistent with the most fundamental and great truth/fact that the self represents, forms, and experiences a comprehensive approximation of experience in general by combining conscious and unconscious experience. Indeed, if the self did not represent, form, and experience a comprehensive approximation of experience in general by combining conscious and unconscious experience, we would then be incapable of growth and of becoming other than we are. There is no outsmarting the genius of dreams.
      ================================================== =======
      Fundamentally and most importantly, invisible and visible space in FUNDAMENTAL equilibrium and balance necessarily consitutes a MIDDLE distance in/of space consistent with BOTH half gravity and half inertia. This statement applies perfectly, consistently, and entirely to dream experience as well. I have proven this.

      By Author Frank DiMeglio
      Last edited by JJFrank; 03-07-2014 at 05:22 AM.
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