Thread: Why Socialism Doesn't Work

Since the 19th century there have been the two opposing socialist groups: the internationalistic movement (marxists), and the nationalistic movement (various names, including fascists and nationalist socialists - i.e. nazi's). They tend to hate each others guts with a vengeance. Because they appeal to exactly the same voters!

They mainly differ in two respects: 1) the marxists want socialism to embrace the whole planet, so that there is only one country, whereas the fascists are perfectly happy to realise socialism in the country, where they are. And 2) the marxists don't just want de facto private ownership of the means of production erased, but also the nominal private ownership. The fascists can accept nominal private ownership, for as long as the actual control over the means of production is in the hands of the government.

Big differences, seen from their viewpoints. But pretty small to everybody else.

Originally Posted by Voldmer

the marxists want socialism to embrace the whole planet, so that there is only one country

That is something very terrifying about Marxism. It is the threat the Cold War was about, and it is a common agenda now. It has infiltrated the U.S. government, and it is what makes the "New World Order" conspiracy theory sound not so crazy. However, I don't accept the major theories about who all has been involved in it. Bush 41 made the term famous, and I am pretty sure he was one of the people who worked hard to take down the Soviet Union. He might even get runner up to the MVP award. He was president when the Soviet Union collapsed, and he was vice president when the MVP award winner, Rondald Reagan, was president. They knew that socialism makes economies extremely weak, and they knew how to exploit the weakness and give the Soviet Union the right push and make it fall apart completely. I also think Mikhail Gorbachev might have been working for the CIA.