Thread: Sandy Hook Conspiracy Theorists cyber stalking victims' and survivors' families

Good job, BLUELINE... THAT is what real crying looks like! Did you see it, Alric? Look at it. Do you see the tears coming out of the eye and rolling down the face? Take notes. When you see a lot of family members of people who were just murdered talking about the people who were just murdered, some of the relatives will be doing that.

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They look similar because they are brothers and sisters. My brother looks similar to me, heck my sister even looks similar to me. They just took a bunch of family members and say, "This person looks kind of like his sibling so they must be the same person." Often they don't even look that close to each other. Some of them don't even look anything alike and they just claim they do because they hope you will not actually look at every picture.

Alric do you have a source that states these children at the super bowl are siblings of the sandy hook kids? I couldn't find any information on who they are and only read that the names were never released. And if you don't have a source, how did you come to that conclusion?

Whenever you look for a conspiracy, you will find it. Details for Sandy Hook are fairly obscured from what I could find, but so are the details of Virginia Tech and Columbine. Doesn't mean any of those were faked, but the details were obscured because the victims were under a legal age.

This is just another whack job conspiracy that people will latch on to despite a preponderances of evidence to the contrary. The major thing is if this was faked, why? Gun control? Well, gun reform still hasn't happened since the shooting. So, that's a pretty shitty conspiracy attempt. Hell, 9/11 was more successful at what it wanted to do than this was. Plus, for a conspiracy like this to exist, you would have to have several thousands of actors including child actors. The chances of NO ONE talking or breaking character for the rest of their lives is so nonsensical.

Edit: I basically say what you say Tiresias, and less well/concise - I just didn't read back, planning on my response on the actors only - so doubling rant - just saw it in OP's quote - soz..

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

It takes a really good actor to be able to cry at will. It's very difficult to do. They had to use actors who were willing to never act in front of a big audience again, so they didn't exactly get the cream of the crop.

Why do you believe they are actors in the first place?
Because their behaviour in front of a camera seems inconsistent with what you expect - they seem happy and smile, or fail to lament, look downcast, yammer, accuse god or whatever fits your stereotype.
Why on earth would a paid actor behave inconsistently, and not feed the universally known stereotypes to the audience, exactly when knowing that she is filmed?
And instead act unusually?

It is not that you see something, which looks like sad parents, and you miss the actual physical tears, and that's why you believe they are actors.
No - you believe they are, because of what would be plain lowest quality and incompetent acting if it were acting.
These supposedly suspicious people are giving whole suspicious interviews - don't you think it's bloody unlikely being orchestrated?
Just plain weird reality is what it is.

Oh - and something groundbreakingly new - some people can't even let go among their family and openly cry real tears - men especially.
You miss the behaviour and mimics - not the water per se (which can be produced by using irritants by the way).

How much do you think, the government paid these supposed actors to never act again??
How much do you think, the whole thing has cost the government?
Several millions, all things considered, even without paying off people's future careers.
How much would you have to pay the other people - not directly acting as parents?
Do you believe, it is likely that not one fell to the incentive and blew the whistle - somebody actually involved?
Out of hundreds of people who needed to be in the know on-scene and the ones behind?
There is always somebody letting out the secret with so many involved - esp. since there is this hunger of the sensation-lusting audience of this smear-campaign and it's lobbyists.




And - do you guys and gals really think, a thing of that magnitude has been staged and nothing of any magnitude has actually followed?
If it was staged with an agenda - something had to be done shortly afterwards in order to benefit from it - and nothing of any relevance did.

What do you think was the purpose of it exactly?
You think, the "secret government forces" have nothing better to do than stage such a thing, in order to skew the general mood away from the gun-nuts?? Try to pass a toothless law?

Poor parents - how heartless towards them to accuse them of acting - I really hope, they don't go on harassing people directly - it is despicable!
Imagine for a moment, you are mistaken, and it did take place - how would you feel?
Would you go on the net at all?

Originally Posted by Tiresias

Whenever you look for a conspiracy, you will find it. Details for Sandy Hook are fairly obscured from what I could find, but so are the details of Virginia Tech and Columbine. Doesn't mean any of those were faked, but the details were obscured because the victims were under a legal age.

This is just another whack job conspiracy that people will latch on to despite a preponderances of evidence to the contrary. The major thing is if this was faked, why? Gun control? Well, gun reform still hasn't happened since the shooting. So, that's a pretty shitty conspiracy attempt. Hell, 9/11 was more successful at what it wanted to do than this was. Plus, for a conspiracy like this to exist, you would have to have several thousands of actors including child actors. The chances of NO ONE talking or breaking character for the rest of their lives is so nonsensical.

David Icke was investigating the Illuminati so to stop him the Illuminati started sending a bunch of witnesses to him telling him about shape shifters. People think Icke is an agent working to discredit all conspiracy theory but really he was just given fake evidence to unravel a fake conspiracy about reptilians. (Source: I'm a member of the guild of calamitous intent)

Why try to cover up a conspiracy when you can just plant evidence to shape the most implausible, ridiculous and extravagant theory possible? The gun nuts were being counted on to flip out and discredit any earnest search for the truth. They were part of the plot, just like Icke. The real objective is not to ban guns, that's a front. The gun nuts played into their hands perfectly.

There's a reason these acts of gun violence spiked during the greatest financial scandal in American history. There's a reason both Lanza and Holmes' fathers were set to testify and name names, potentially sending some of the most corrupt and powerful individuals to prison for a long time. What do you when a witness is set to testify? Killing them or their children only makes you look more guilty, instead you need to simultaneously silence them and discredit them.

What do you know about scopolamine, Mr. Bond?

Originally Posted by Tiresias

Whenever you look for a conspiracy, you will find it. Details for Sandy Hook are fairly obscured from what I could find, but so are the details of Virginia Tech and Columbine. Doesn't mean any of those were faked, but the details were obscured because the victims were under a legal age.

This is just another whack job conspiracy that people will latch on to despite a preponderances of evidence to the contrary. The major thing is if this was faked, why? Gun control? Well, gun reform still hasn't happened since the shooting. So, that's a pretty shitty conspiracy attempt. Hell, 9/11 was more successful at what it wanted to do than this was. Plus, for a conspiracy like this to exist, you would have to have several thousands of actors including child actors. The chances of NO ONE talking or breaking character for the rest of their lives is so nonsensical.

Honestly, how much have you researched this? You seem like you haven't researched it much at all. Have you even read this thread? The Feinstein assault weapons bill was introduced a few weeks after the supposed incident, the Senate vote on U.S. involvement in the U.N. Arms Trade Treaty was up a few months ago (with a 53-46 vote against it), and the retroactive Connecticut gun registration bill was passed recently. It would not take thousands of participants. It would take a few participants and a lot of people being fooled. I have made that point many times on this site, and nobody ever counters it.

Study the history of false flags. You clearly have a lot to learn.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

StephL, please find an alleged family member of an alleged Sandy Hook victim doing that in a live interview. Just one. If you can't do that, please find just one of those people expressing anger toward the alleged shooter. There are tons of interviews to search. It's not like we are talking about just two people.

Yes, it's very bizarre, and I don't know what they were paid. False flags have happened a great deal throughout history, and what you are arguing is that false flags can't work. They can, and they have. Extreme offers and extreme threats make powerful combinations.

What documentaries have you watched so far?

Originally Posted by StephL

How much do you think, the government paid these supposed actors to never act again??
How much do you think, the whole thing has cost the government?
Several millions, all things considered, even without paying off people's future careers.
How much would you have to pay the other people - not directly acting as parents?
Do you believe, it is likely that not one fell to the incentive and blew the whistle - somebody actually involved?
Out of hundreds of people who needed to be in the know on-scene and the ones behind?
There is always somebody letting out the secret with so many involved - esp. since there is this hunger of the sensation-lusting audience of this smear-campaign and it's lobbyists.

First, exactly this. Let's say all of the Sandy Hook parents WERE in on it. That means the neighbors of each person would have to be as well. Sandy Hook is a real community (I had a friend who knew people and even went to the school). That means that unless every single involved person moved in a 5 or so years before the hoax, which would be REALLY suspicious, they had to talk every single neighbor into doing this. Furthermore, what happens to the person who refuses. Kill them? I think that would become a bit too obvious.

Originally Posted by StephL

Poor parents - how heartless towards them to accuse them of acting - I really hope, they don't go on harassing people directly - it is despicable!
Imagine for a moment, you are mistaken, and it did take place - how would you feel?
Would you go on the net at all?

No, because conspiracy theorist are pathologically delusional. No conspiracy theory has been debunked yet in the mind of conspiracy theorists. Showing them rock solid, incontrovertible evidence will just mean you are part of the conspiracy. There's no winning.

Originally Posted by Original Poster

What do you know about scopolamine, Mr. Bond?

Why even use that? SSRIs and other legal chemicals have been connected to every single public shooting in the last decade. Check this out Every mass shooting over last 20 years has one thing in common... and it's not guns - NaturalNews.com

Here's a site that actually named each even, what the shooter was taking, and what was found in their body at the time of death - School Shooters & Stabbings Committed by those on Psychiatric Drugs | CCHR International

My problem with this conspiracy theory is the same as all others. First, when Neil Armstrong was asked if the moon landing was faked, he punched out a reporter. He did this because literally the most important thing he's ever done was called fake. Imagine how troubling that would be. With tragedies, it's even worse. An event that forever ruined your life is being called fake by people hiding behind keyboards demanding to know the truth. In fact, you are told you are part of it. That's why I hate these stupid things.

Worse still, people focus on Sandy Hook being hoaxed when the NSA is literally collecting as much of our data as possible. Rather than creating the non-argument that the Gummit wants our guns, why not attack the NSA which we have proof of wanting full, universal surveillance?

Originally Posted by Tiresias

First, exactly this. Let's say all of the Sandy Hook parents WERE in on it. That means the neighbors of each person would have to be as well. Sandy Hook is a real community (I had a friend who knew people and even went to the school). That means that unless every single involved person moved in a 5 or so years before the hoax, which would be REALLY suspicious, they had to talk every single neighbor into doing this. Furthermore, what happens to the person who refuses. Kill them? I think that would become a bit too obvious.



No, because conspiracy theorist are pathologically delusional. No conspiracy theory has been debunked yet in the mind of conspiracy theorists. Showing them rock solid, incontrovertible evidence will just mean you are part of the conspiracy. There's no winning.



Why even use that? SSRIs and other legal chemicals have been connected to every single public shooting in the last decade. Check this out Every mass shooting over last 20 years has one thing in common... and it's not guns - NaturalNews.com

Here's a site that actually named each even, what the shooter was taking, and what was found in their body at the time of death - School Shooters & Stabbings Committed by those on Psychiatric Drugs | CCHR International

My problem with this conspiracy theory is the same as all others. First, when Neil Armstrong was asked if the moon landing was faked, he punched out a reporter. He did this because literally the most important thing he's ever done was called fake. Imagine how troubling that would be. With tragedies, it's even worse. An event that forever ruined your life is being called fake by people hiding behind keyboards demanding to know the truth. In fact, you are told you are part of it. That's why I hate these stupid things.

Worse still, people focus on Sandy Hook being hoaxed when the NSA is literally collecting as much of our data as possible. Rather than creating the non-argument that the Gummit wants our guns, why not attack the NSA which we have proof of wanting full, universal surveillance?

Because if we don't have guns we can't defend ourselves against tanks and predator drones, duh.

Originally Posted by Original Poster

Because if we don't have guns we can't defend ourselves against tanks and predator drones, duh.

I apologize if you are being sarcastic, but nearly any type of fire arm they would be banning would be crushed by tanks and drones.

Apology accepted. I apologize for leading you on. I thought sourcing myself as a member of the Guild of Calamitous Intent would give it away.

In a thread questioning the veracity of Sandy Hook, assume nothing.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

The libertarian imposter here is BLUELINE. He says he is a libertarian, but he insults libertarian causes on a regular basis without ever standing up for the principles they are meant to support...

Libertarian causes, like proving that 9/11 and Sandy Hook were hoaxes!

This will blow your mind: did you know that the US government literally killed over 20 million civilians in the last century alone? They even went as far as to nuke not one, but two whole cities. Even as recently as a few years ago, they invaded a country and killed a million people.

Let me make the real libertarian perspective clear for you: Given that they've already killed millions of men, women, and children all over the world, I don't give a flying fuck about a few kids in a school.

The best cure for misinformation is to present the accurate information. If you want to shut the conspiracy theorists up, then provide some counter evidence. The ONLY bit of counter I've seen yet in this thread (and the videos I've watched) out of all the many questions I've raised has been Alric linking to photos of bulletholes. That's all I'm interested in. Real counter evidence. Not just more speculative BS. If you aren't going to present any, then you can hardly complain about the delusional psychotic conspiracy theorists.

Originally Posted by Original Poster

Because if we don't have guns we can't defend ourselves against tanks and predator drones, duh.

Tanks and predator drones had us in and out of Afghanistan in a matter of weeks. Right?

Originally Posted by cmind

Libertarian causes, like proving that 9/11 and Sandy Hook were hoaxes!

This will blow your mind: did you know that the US government literally killed over 20 million civilians in the last century alone? They even went as far as to nuke not one, but two whole cities. Even as recently as a few years ago, they invaded a country and killed a million people.

Let me make the real libertarian perspective clear for you: Given that they've already killed millions of men, women, and children all over the world, I don't give a flying fuck about a few kids in a school.

I care about all of the people who really were killed. Sometimes killing is necessary, but there should be as little of it as possible. Lots of killing does not make a little bit of killing inherently justifiable. That is pitiful reasoning you used. Plus, I don't think anybody at Sandy Hook was killed.

The issue of the Sandy Hook hoax is about what kinds of dishonest and terrorizing stuff the government can and will do to push an agenda. That should concern you.

When did I say that 9/11 was an inside job? See post $3 here:

http://www.dreamviews.com/extended-d...-11-truth.html

Originally Posted by Tiresias

In a thread questioning the veracity of Sandy Hook, assume nothing.

Thank you for completely ignoring my earlier response to you. Like I said, you seem very new to this. There have been U.S. government conspiracies. Many of them have been declassified. In other words, the government has admitted to them and released the documents concerning them. Read about some of them and then get back to me on how conspiracy theorists are all a bunch of lunatics.

Operation Mockingbird - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Project ARTICHOKE - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Project MKUltra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tuskegee syphilis experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Operation Northwoods - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Good job, BLUELINE... THAT is what real crying looks like! Did you see it, Alric? Look at it. Do you see the tears coming out of the eye and rolling down the face? Take notes. When you see a lot of family members of people who were just murdered talking about the people who were just murdered, some of the relatives will be doing that.

the-more-you-know-1.jpg

Except it's probably from a movie or TV show so it's actually fake crying. Just saying.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

Except it's probably from a movie or TV show so it's actually fake crying. Just saying.

It's a Hell of a lot more realistic looking than what any of the Sandy Hoax actors accomplished.

I don't know how you can watch that video and have your response be something along the lines of "Ugh, they're not acting in the way I expect. Therefore, paid actors." Motivated reasoning on such a level that would make an academic psychologist go wide-eyed with disbelief.

I don't often think conspiracy theorists are bad people. 9/11 truthers, moon landing hoaxers, pick one; I tend to think they're just the victims of their own psychological errors. On the other hand, I can't help but think Sandy Hook hoaxers are the fucking worst. Disappointing human beings.

Originally Posted by nina

The best cure for misinformation is to present the accurate information. If you want to shut the conspiracy theorists up, then provide some counter evidence. The ONLY bit of counter I've seen yet in this thread (and the videos I've watched) out of all the many questions I've raised has been Alric linking to photos of bulletholes. That's all I'm interested in. Real counter evidence. Not just more speculative BS. If you aren't going to present any, then you can hardly complain about the delusional psychotic conspiracy theorists.

I think I can indeed complain about nutjobs stalking the survivors and victims' families of a traumatic event without evidence to counter, what, that they aren't crying on television enough? That's not even evidence. You can't pick out idiosyncratic emotional responses from traumatized people and call that evidence.

If the lack of acting is proof of acting and cause to cyber stalk the traumatized, we truly are in #TheDarkestTimeline.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

I don't know how you can watch that video and have your response be something along the lines of "Ugh, they're not acting in the way I expect. Therefore, paid actors." Motivated reasoning on such a level that would make an academic psychologist go wide-eyed with disbelief.

I don't often think conspiracy theorists are bad people. 9/11 truthers, moon landing hoaxers, pick one; I tend to think they're just the victims of their own psychological errors. On the other hand, I can't help but think Sandy Hook hoaxers are the fucking worst. Disappointing human beings.

We're not talking about just one or two people. It's 100% of them, and there are lots and lots of them. I keep having to explain that for some reason.

Originally Posted by Original Poster

I think I can indeed complain about nutjobs stalking the survivors and victims' families of a traumatic event without evidence to counter, what, that they aren't crying on television enough?

You can't even prove that the event really happened. I have posted about a great deal more than the transparent behavior of alleged family members of victims. You are conveniently ignoring it.

By the way, do you still think 9/11 was an inside job? You did in the old thread I posted in here a little while ago. See post #6:

http://www.dreamviews.com/extended-d...-11-truth.html

I think those of us who aren't despicable human beings can rest easy in understanding that people like UM are not up to snuff on their knowledge of the psychology of grief. Personally, I think it would be odd if everybody cried buckets all the time.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

I think those of us who aren't despicable human beings can rest easy in understanding that people like UM are not up to snuff on their knowledge of the psychology of grief. Personally, I think it would be odd if everybody cried buckets all the time.

I didn't say everybody should be crying buckets all the time. I said we would at least see one fucking tear in a live interview. Many of those interviews took place within 48 hours of the alleged incident. Also, of course it is absurd to think that not one family member would express anger toward the shooter if this stuff were for real. The only anger ever expressed was toward the gun. I know you are not really this gullible. You are clearly being dishonest. What is your agenda?


Francine Wheeler did the voice of the female character in a porn anime video. I don't want to post it on this site, but if you want to see it, go here on YouTube: "Sandy Hook HOAX:Hello Francine LOBIS-Wheeler TheRicoman1973"

This is Francine Wheeler:



This too is Francine Wheeler:

Y'know what? Enough of this. We already have a topic on the supposed hoax. Use that one.

To be honest, I don't really give a flying fuck as to whether it was a hoax or not. What's done is done. Either way, having suspiscions DOES NOT WARRANT THE HARASSMENT OF THE VICTIMS.

This is Laura Phelps:



This too is Laura Phelps:

Originally Posted by TimeDragon97

Y'know what? Enough of this. We already have a topic on the supposed hoax. Use that one.

To be honest, I don't really give a flying fuck as to whether it was a hoax or not. What's done is done. Either way, having suspiscions DOES NOT WARRANT THE HARASSMENT OF THE VICTIMS.

There were no Sandy Hook victims!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, you don't care whether there was a hoax? You don't care if the government uses false propaganda to erode the Bill of Rights? Then I really hope you don't vote. Just keep your head in the sand while the USA drifts toward becoming the USSR. Nothing to see here!