Thread: Sandy Hook Conspiracy Theorists cyber stalking victims' and survivors' families

Originally Posted by Alric

You can look up the people they claim to be and check their families. Some of them are siblings and that is why they look similar. Though some of them don't really look at all similar, so could just be random people with no relation who just went to the school.

Of course the entire thing is silly to start with. Why would you say a bunch of people died and then have them go out on public tv? That would be like the worst conspiracy in the history of the world. How could they be so stupid, yet no one in the world notices at all except some random youtuber? Far more likely is that the random youtuber just thinks they look kind of similar so just randomly claimed it because he is a troll that likes to make trouble.

Perhaps the hoaxers were getting their kicks knowing they could do something that extreme and still be dealing with a country in which the vast majority will not even look into the possibility that Sandy Hook was a hoax, at least not for a long time.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Thank you for completely ignoring my earlier response to you. Like I said, you seem very new to this. There have been U.S. government conspiracies. Many of them have been declassified. In other words, the government has admitted to them and released the documents concerning them. Read about some of them and then get back to me on how conspiracy theorists are all a bunch of lunatics.

Operation Mockingbird - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Project ARTICHOKE - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Project MKUltra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tuskegee syphilis experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Operation Northwoods - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The amazing part with all those Conspiracy Theories is they came out. That means the government couldn't keep them secret. A Sandy Hook hoax would have to have 10 times the number of people involved as even one of those links you posted. The entire conspiracy hinges on the notion that every single person connected are actors. Your links to interviews with titles like "SANDY HOOK HOAX" don't really prove that. So, a soccer mom did an improv class. Cool. She used her real name. That'd seem like a huge no-no.

In fact, Francine Wheeler AND her husband met because they are actors - WEDDINGS - Francine Lobis, David Wheeler - NYTimes.com

Because, you know, no one meets mates at their jobs.

Also, I totally appreciate the dressing down to make yourself feel superior. That's a classic debate technique. Kudos on winning Internet arguing.

Originally Posted by Tiresias

The amazing part with all those Conspiracy Theories is they came out. That means the government couldn't keep them secret.

It took a very long time for each to reach that point. Sandy Hoax just happened a year and a half ago.

Originally Posted by Tiresias

A Sandy Hook hoax would have to have 10 times the number of people involved as even one of those links you posted.

Really? Explain why.

Originally Posted by Tiresias

The entire conspiracy hinges on the notion that every single person connected are actors. Your links to interviews with titles like "SANDY HOOK HOAX" don't really prove that. So, a soccer mom did an improv class. Cool. She used her real name. That'd seem like a huge no-no.

No, just certain people who were interviewed were actors. I have proven that many of them were, and anybody who understands acting can watch the interviews and understand that all of the alleged close family members of victims were acting in the interviews.

Originally Posted by Tiresias

Your links to interviews with titles like "SANDY HOOK HOAX" don't really prove that. So, a soccer mom did an improv class. Cool. She used her real name. That'd seem like a huge no-no.

I showed that a long list of the alleged family members are in fact actors. Thank you for mentioning just one of them there.

Originally Posted by Tiresias

In fact, Francine Wheeler AND her husband met because they are actors - WEDDINGS - Francine Lobis, David Wheeler - NYTimes.com

Because, you know, no one meets mates at their jobs.

So you admit that they are actors. You just mentioned two more of the many. I'm glad you got my point.

Originally Posted by Tiresias

Also, I totally appreciate the dressing down to make yourself feel superior. That's a classic debate technique. Kudos on winning Internet arguing.

You just went off the deep end and landed on Mars. Can you explain what you are trying to say?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

No, just certain people who were interviewed were actors. I have proven that many of them were, and anybody who understands acting can watch the interviews and understand that all of the alleged close family members of victims were acting in the interviews.

We been over this before, that you think people who have been in a band once or something are actors. We had a long debate where you said anyone who sings, dance, plays any kind of musical instrument or does any type of performance what so ever is an actor. Of course none of that stuff is acting. So when you say everyone is an actor, it is only like two people that are actors.

Personally I think the parents are acting in very strange ways, but I would not use that at all when forming any sort of opinion of the matter because I really don't know how people act during grief. All I have is to compare their actions with other tragedies like columbine etc. where the parents are literally too grief stricken to even talk to the media in most cases, and the children involved are clearly traumatized. Where as all I can do is look at this situation and think, "hmm, that is sort of odd". In particular, the medical examiner, because unlike grief, there are clear symptoms that he exhibits which correlate to lying, and that is text book stuff.

But my questions are more raised from everything else I've mentioned and plenty more I've seen that I haven't even brought up here because it doesn't really even seen worth it, seeing as how it is clear that no one has any real answers. The problem with this entire situation is that for every question raised there are no answers. Or the only answers provided do nothing to address the question properly and merely attempt to divert the attention or appeal to emotions rather than logic.

That said, if a conspiracy theorist thought that there was even the tiniest chance that they are wrong (and I feel that any sane person should entertain a certain degree of doubt), and that these people truly did lose a loved one, then it is pretty despicable to harass the family members. I don't argue with that point at all.

Alric, which of the children had siblings? And do you know the names of the children singing in the sandy hook choir? I'm honestly not involved in the matter enough to do the research myself, as I said, all I could find when I looked earlier was that none of the kid's names were released. I don't expect you to do the research for me either, but you are making statements that indicate you have this information which is why I'm asking.

Originally Posted by Alric

We been over this before, that you think people who have been in a band once or something are actors. We had a long debate where you said anyone who sings, dance, plays any kind of musical instrument or does any type of performance what so ever is an actor. Of course none of that stuff is acting. So when you say everyone is an actor, it is only like two people that are actors.

Really good stage performance does involve acting, which is why rock and rap stars always pull off great acting jobs when they play roles in movies, but we are talking about more than just stage musicians with this. It has come up in this discussion that Francine Wheeler, David Wheeler, and Laura Phelps are actor actors, and the video in post #4 shows that others are actor actors. Plus, as I keep saying, I can tell that all of the alleged family members are acting in the interviews. I have acting experience, and I know how the stuff works. It is hard to prove it to other people, but there is a whole universe more to the Sandy Hook picture than the acting.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

It took a very long time for each to reach that point. Sandy Hoax just happened a year and a half ago.

Not really. Northwoods did, but keep in mind, we didn't actually go through with it; it was just a plan. Project ARTICHOKE became MK-ULTRA.

Read this about MK-Ultra which stopped in 1973 - "In 1977, a Freedom of Information Act request uncovered a cache of 20,000 documents relating to project MKUltra, which led to Senate hearings later that same year." In 2001, all files were declassified related to the plan.

Operation Mockingbird also was made public really fast: "In addition to earlier exposés of CIA activities in foreign affairs, in 1966 Ramparts magazine published an article revealing that the National Student Association was funded by the CIA. The United States Congress investigated, and published its report in 1976. Other accounts were also published. The media operation was first called Mockingbird in Deborah Davis's 1979 book, Katharine the Great: Katharine Graham and her Washington Post Empire."

This shows that mass conspiracies don't just stay hidden indefinitely. Even the Tuskegee experiment was exposed within 7 years of it happening. Considering we live in a time of Wikileaks, more of these should be happening faster; not slower. The revelations came when we had news programs and underground papers as the sole source of news. Now, we have the Internet. Yet, nothing of real concrete value has come out to expose Sandy Hook as anything but a mass tragedy.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Really? Explain why.

As I mentioned, the Sandy Hook community is real. In an area where 26 children died, that would be 26 separate families. In order for this to be a credible conspiracy, they would have had to have been so ingrained in the community that no one would suspect they were in on a massive conspiracy. Say each family only has two neighbors (nearly all will have at least 5, but I am low balling to account for families living in an area). That brings the number of conspirators up from 52 (two parents per child killed) to 156. I am ignoring siblings as they'd be too young to include in the plots. That is A LOT of people to trust to stay completely in character for as long as possible with, so far, no pay off. No laws have been passed since Sandy Hook. Here's the closest, and Assault weapons have been banned before: Assault Weapons Ban of 2013 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia That is really low hanging fruit for an effort with this much planning. And it

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

No, just certain people who were interviewed were actors. I have proven that many of them were, and anybody who understands acting can watch the interviews and understand that all of the alleged close family members of victims were acting in the interviews.

Hahahahhaha, you proved nothing. In psychology, responses to tragedy can vary. In fact, there is almost no set way that people grieve in the stages of grieving. Some people sit in denial for years. Some people are perpetually angry, etc. Secondly, let's say you are right and they are actors. Then, as Alric pointed out, they are the worst actors to pick for a mass tragedy if some guy on the Internet can catch their scam. Cult leaders are actors trying to convince gullible people of their scam. To the outsiders, it doesn't work, but a small subset it does. For you, it's the reverse. These actors are so amazing, that only the enlightened can see that they are acting.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I showed that a long list of the alleged family members are in fact actors. Thank you for mentioning just one of them there.

My point is that proves nothing. If anything, it disproves your case all together. Why would the government or whoever use REAL ACTORS WITH A BACKGROUND AND THEIR REAL NAMES to forge a hoax like this? It literally is the laziest method ever.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

You just went off the deep end and landed on Mars. Can you explain what you are trying to say?

I was referencing this needless bit of arrogance.

"Like I said, you seem very new to this."

You are a nobody on the Internet. You have proven nothing. Get off your high horse.

Originally Posted by nina

The problem with this entire situation is that for every question raised there are no answers. Or the only answers provided do nothing to address the question properly and merely attempt to divert the attention or appeal to emotions rather than logic.

Except your entire story defies logic.

Mainstream conspiracy theories only work with a universally united government or puppet master who has so much power and control that they can move everything as one.

Kennedy Assassination, Moon Landing, Gulf of Tonkin, and 9/11 all require a government that is so competent and united that no other idea works. The alternative is much scarier. If the government didn't have anything to do with Kennedy, then that means a lone gunmen who was barely literate and trained by the military was able to kill the most powerful man in the US. The moon landing being real means science is only as important as war. The second the Cold War ended, we stopped caring. The Gulf of Tonkin, which did happen, shows that the military is so autonomous it can cause massive casualities and face minimal backlash. Finally, 9/11 shows that a bunch of fanatic, poor farmers can invade the US and change everything completely for years.

Those are so much scarier because it means random chance is the only thing keeping us ordered. If they weren't coordinated or at least collaborated with by the US government, then we barely have any control over the world around us. That's kinda scary.

Originally Posted by Tiresias

Not really. Northwoods did, but keep in mind, we didn't actually go through with it; it was just a plan. Project ARTICHOKE became MK-ULTRA.

Read this about MK-Ultra which stopped in 1973 - "In 1977, a Freedom of Information Act request uncovered a cache of 20,000 documents relating to project MKUltra, which led to Senate hearings later that same year." In 2001, all files were declassified related to the plan.

Operation Mockingbird also was made public really fast: "In addition to earlier exposés of CIA activities in foreign affairs, in 1966 Ramparts magazine published an article revealing that the National Student Association was funded by the CIA. The United States Congress investigated, and published its report in 1976. Other accounts were also published. The media operation was first called Mockingbird in Deborah Davis's 1979 book, Katharine the Great: Katharine Graham and her Washington Post Empire."

This shows that mass conspiracies don't just stay hidden indefinitely. Even the Tuskegee experiment was exposed within 7 years of it happening. Considering we live in a time of Wikileaks, more of these should be happening faster; not slower. The revelations came when we had news programs and underground papers as the sole source of news. Now, we have the Internet. Yet, nothing of real concrete value has come out to expose Sandy Hook as anything but a mass tragedy.

So you admit that government conspiracies have happened. Were the people who theorized that those conspiracies were real before the conspiracies were widely known all a bunch of lunatics? Your accounts of how long it took for those conspiracies to become declassified show that all of them took at least a decade. Sandy Hook was a year and five months ago, but talk about what really happened is all over the internet. Stay tuned.

Operation Northwoods was a plan to stage terrorist attacks in different cities in the United States and blame them on Cuba to build public support for a war against Cuba. It was drafted by all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The only reason it didn't get enacted was that Kennedy turned down the plan. It made it all the way to Kennedy's desk. Think about that. Keep thinking. Apparently all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff believed they could get lots of people involved in something insane and encourage a war with it and that the people involved would stay quiet about it. Right?

Originally Posted by Tiresias

As I mentioned, the Sandy Hook community is real. In an area where 26 children died, that would be 26 separate families. In order for this to be a credible conspiracy, they would have had to have been so ingrained in the community that no one would suspect they were in on a massive conspiracy. Say each family only has two neighbors (nearly all will have at least 5, but I am low balling to account for families living in an area). That brings the number of conspirators up from 52 (two parents per child killed) to 156. I am ignoring siblings as they'd be too young to include in the plots. That is A LOT of people to trust to stay completely in character for as long as possible with, so far, no pay off. No laws have been passed since Sandy Hook. Here's the closest, and Assault weapons have been banned before: Assault Weapons Ban of 2013 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia That is really low hanging fruit for an effort with this much planning. And it

Why would the neighbors have to be in on it? They can be fooled too. 52 X 3 = 156, by the way. Three major strikes at the Second Amendment have happened since Sandy Hook. Two were federal, and one was in the Connecticut state legislature. The Connecticut bill passed. The vote in the U.S. Senate to stay out of the U.N. Arms Trade Treaty barely passed, 53 to 46.

Originally Posted by Tiresias

Hahahahhaha, you proved nothing. In psychology, responses to tragedy can vary. In fact, there is almost no set way that people grieve in the stages of grieving. Some people sit in denial for years. Some people are perpetually angry, etc. Secondly, let's say you are right and they are actors. Then, as Alric pointed out, they are the worst actors to pick for a mass tragedy if some guy on the Internet can catch their scam. Cult leaders are actors trying to convince gullible people of their scam. To the outsiders, it doesn't work, but a small subset it does. For you, it's the reverse. These actors are so amazing, that only the enlightened can see that they are acting.

If there is no set way that people grieve, why do all of the Sandy Hoax family members act like their just murdered family members are running for office? Why don't any of them cry tears in live interviews while talking about the situation? Why don't any of them express anger toward the supposed shooter? Think about that! The hoaxers had to pick actors who were ready to give up acting for life. I don't think that only the enlightened can see that they are acting. It amazes me that there are people who can't. Apparently you missed this video:

Originally Posted by Tiresias

My point is that proves nothing. If anything, it disproves your case all together. Why would the government or whoever use REAL ACTORS WITH A BACKGROUND AND THEIR REAL NAMES to forge a hoax like this? It literally is the laziest method ever.

Using fake names would have made the shit hit the fan even harder when the actors' real identities were revealed. It would have made the dishonesty crystal clear.

Originally Posted by Tiresias

I was referencing this needless bit of arrogance.

"Like I said, you seem very new to this."

You are a nobody on the Internet. You have proven nothing. Get off your high horse.

It wasn't a comment about me. It was a comment about you. You seem like you are new to this.

Originally Posted by Tiresias

Except your entire story defies logic.

Mainstream conspiracy theories only work with a universally united government or puppet master who has so much power and control that they can move everything as one.

Kennedy Assassination, Moon Landing, Gulf of Tonkin, and 9/11 all require a government that is so competent and united that no other idea works. The alternative is much scarier. If the government didn't have anything to do with Kennedy, then that means a lone gunmen who was barely literate and trained by the military was able to kill the most powerful man in the US. The moon landing being real means science is only as important as war. The second the Cold War ended, we stopped caring. The Gulf of Tonkin, which did happen, shows that the military is so autonomous it can cause massive casualities and face minimal backlash. Finally, 9/11 shows that a bunch of fanatic, poor farmers can invade the US and change everything completely for years.

Those are so much scarier because it means random chance is the only thing keeping us ordered. If they weren't coordinated or at least collaborated with by the US government, then we barely have any control over the world around us. That's kinda scary.

The government is made up of a lot of divisions and elements. It is very possible for one division or element to act without the knowledge of others. Do you think the Department of Wildlife and Fisheries knows all about what the FBI does?

I don't know all the people who were there, I just did a random google search on some of the people there and found they had brother and sisters. Also one of the obvious examples is with them claiming that Madeline Parker was Emilie Parker when she met Obama. When you look at pictures it is obvious that it is Madeline and not Emilie but the conspiracy people always claim it is Emilie because they are sisters and looks similar. Ironically enough they said Emilie Parker is in the choir photo too, but that person doesn't look like Madeline or Emilie. It is clearly just some random person with no relation to them. They don't look anything even remotely similar.

The idea is that Emilie was at the Super Bowl years after the last publicly known photo of her was taken. That would mean the first grade school photos shown in the media were actually years old. I do question that.

You are claiming again that Madeline is in the Obama photo. My challenge to you to find another picture of Madeline looking so much like Emilie still stands. We know that she doesn't look anything close to like that anywhere in the video on the Emilie Parker Fund website. I am not even sure that she is in the video.

parker obama.jpg

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

It wasn't a comment about me. It was a comment about you. You seem like you are new to this.

And done. I am all for debating ideas, but when a fringe group has to rely on attacking the person they are debating, I lose all interest. Have fun with your Easter bunny theory. I am sure it is the most important thing to happen ever.

The fact that this line of bile was vomited out of a brain-possessing human makes me done with this and all other threads where Sandy Hook conspiracies are being discussed:

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

There were no Sandy Hook victims!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OP had it right. Bringing shame to the human race. Disgusting.

Originally Posted by Tiresias

And done. I am all for debating ideas, but when a fringe group has to rely on attacking the person they are debating, I lose all interest. Have fun with your Easter bunny theory. I am sure it is the most important thing to happen ever.

Aw, you poor thing. You innocent victim. You were being so nithe and you got picked on for no weason at aw.

Originally Posted by Tiresias

This is just another whack job conspiracy that people will latch on to despite a preponderances of evidence to the contrary.

Originally Posted by Tiresias

No, because conspiracy theorist are pathologically delusional.

It seems like I have discussed a great deal more in this thread than how much you personally have studied Sandy Hoax. If I remember correctly, I have provided a great deal of stuff to study and think about. Do what you think is best for your level of understanding of reality.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

The fact that this line of bile was vomited out of a brain-possessing human makes me done with this and all other threads where Sandy Hook conspiracies are being discussed:

OP had it right. Bringing shame to the human race. Disgusting.

Your purely emotional response shows your closed-mindedness. If you would open your mind and actually think about this stuff, you might see that what the government and mainstream media tell you aren't always true.

These conspiracy theories might be a little bit easier to believe if the information videos weren't made in a middle school video-editing class...

Anyways, I think this is one of those "too soon" topics. I mean it's one thing to have your personal beliefs about political agendas... but it's complexly DELUSIONAL to emotional harass someone about the death of their CHILD all because you think it was a secrete, evil plan designed by the secret evil kings that rule our world...

I mean damn.... come on dude.

Originally Posted by LucidTruth

These conspiracy theories might be a little bit easier to believe if the information videos weren't made in a middle school video-editing class...

Anyways, I think this is one of those "too soon" topics. I mean it's one thing to have your personal beliefs about political agendas... but it's complexly DELUSIONAL to emotional harass someone about the death of their CHILD all because you think it was a secrete, evil plan designed by the secret evil kings that rule our world...

I mean damn.... come on dude.

Honestly, how much have you researched the issue? Did you watch the entirety of any of the documentaries you insulted so irrelevantly? Some of the documentaries I posted are very well produced, but I hope your analysis of the truth doesn't count on that. People who say what you say and honestly mean it have not really looked that far into the situation. This isn't the Kennedy assassination or 9/11. You can look right through this one if you look long and hard enough.

I'll be honest with you, I haven't researched it much, at all. Whether it was the intricate plan with political motives, or a psychotic mad-mad... innocent children were killed that day.

You're right, I did come off a little rash. I'm sorry. Believe it or not, I do believe this had political motives. But I think the fact of whether or not innocent lives were lost that day is simply out of the question...

I want the truth too, believe me. But harassing a family (whether a real family, or not) about a recently murdered child is NOT the way to do it. I just don't think it looks good...

If the story about harassment is even true, which it probably isn't (it was likely meant to stir up emotions like it has done in this thread.), then crisis actors were harassed. Lots of people on the internet have challenged me to go to Newtown and talk to the family members. I told them that would just be harassment and it would accomplish nothing good. On the other hand, there is hysterical talk against harassment of them. That means people are being insulted for not talking to supposed family members but also for talking to them. I have no desire to harass crisis actors. I just want to help expose what they are on the internet.

If you will really research the issue, you will most likely end up seeing that the event was a hoax. All of the more than one hour documentaries I have posted are excellent, and I have posted them in order of greatness, starting with the greatest. There are lots of others on YouTube. If you will watch just 30 seconds of one that I have posted, you will want to keep watching.

How believable are these absurd stories? Even the supposed teacher tells an outrageous tale.



This is Nicole Hockley.



Watch Nicole Hockley at 7:34 and ask yourself if she is acting. Look and listen carefully.



Now check out Nicole Hockley's acting history.

I know everyone has been saying that you can't judge how these people are acting because everyone responds to grief differently...but you know, it's interesting because as I've been reading about Elliot Rodger and the recent murders at UCSB...I'm finding it strange how these people are reacting exactly how I would expect people to react who have just lost a loved one. Which is very different from how the sandy hook people reacted, as seen in the many videos UM has linked to.

For example, earlier I asked, "why are none of the sandy hook families asking why me?" ...and predictably, one of Rodger's slain roommate's mother says "I go to church a few times a week, donate, try to be nice to everybody. I don't understand why this happened to me," his mother gasped to NBC." Notice the father can't even make a statement because he is too grief stricken. Funny how none of the sandy hook families had that problem. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1806049 Also strange how none of the sandy hook families hold any ill will toward the psychopath that killed their babies...unlike the Rodger victims who clearly express their anger. But I guess I'm the one who must be wrong, because I have no right to judge how anyone is going to act in a traumatic situation, right? Hmm.

And speaking of psychopaths, it's also funny that a search for Elliot Rodger returns many many photos of this individual who had a nonexistent social life...and yet, a search for Adam Lanza only returns the same 1 or 2 photos that don't even look like a real person. I'm not saying he never existed...just saying...it's fucking strange, and so far no one has been able to provide a rational explanation for why any of this is so...well...strange!

Also, why do so many of the sandy hook people have multiple names? And why does the Lanza's house look so incredibly contrived? And why do some of the sandy hook family photos show clear evidence of some form of photo manipulation upon close scrutiny by graphic designers? Etc. etc. etc. From everything I've seen, it's just all way too bizarre to take at face value, and my gut tells me that something here is not right. I do feel like I'm being lied to. Maybe it's the conspiracy theorists that are doing the lying, but if that's the case, they all make a pretty damn good case, especially since the "debunkers" are calling them delusional and idiotic but it's the conspiracy theorists that are capable of formulating a convincing argument where as the debunkers fall pathetically short. I had truly hoped to find some decent evidence that would clearly debunk this hoax, but I found nothing.

That's my conclusion thus far...at least, until anyone decides to start answering some of those questions.


This video cracks me up.

Oh and not to mention that the #1 thing in any murder case is missing here...

Can you guess what it is??

Spoiler for Hmm:

MOTIVE

Originally Posted by nina

Oh and not to mention that the #1 thing in any murder case is missing here...

Can you guess what it is??

Spoiler for Hmm:

MOTIVE

Yep.

According to the Sandy Hook families who publicly gave opinions, it was all the gun's fault. They never even brought up the issue of motive.

Originally Posted by nina

Oh and not to mention that the #1 thing in any murder case is missing here...

Can you guess what it is??

Spoiler for Hmm:

MOTIVE

Motive has been missing from mass shootings as a phenomenon in general. These questions you're asking don't pertain to hard evidence that points toward a hoax, and asking questions is not an argument. You cannot "debunk" a conspiracy theory related to spooky questions without making a claim about it. So what is the claim? What evidence backs up the claim? Who's the suspect and how is the suspect linked to the crime? Are you building a defense case for Lanza or are you targeting a different suspect?

Originally Posted by Original Poster

Motive has been missing from mass shootings as a phenomenon in general. These questions you're asking don't pertain to hard evidence that points toward a hoax, and asking questions is not an argument. You cannot "debunk" a conspiracy theory related to spooky questions without making a claim about it. So what is the claim? What evidence backs up the claim? Who's the suspect and how is the suspect linked to the crime? Are you building a defense case for Lanza or are you targeting a different suspect?

Asking questions is what thinking people do. It is not logical to buy into an off the wall story just because you haven't come up with a counterclaim. Are you a creationist?

The motive in practically all school shootings is revenge. The shooters are generally kids who were picked on by students at the schools they shoot up, and they go crazy and shoot up the place to get revenge for being picked on. In their warped minds, it was the school society itself that mistreated them, and their idea of revenge against the school society that seemed to hate them and mistreat them is the motive. What was Lanza's motive in shooting up a lower elementary school when he was in his 20's, and why have zero of the family members addressed that issue publicly? He would have driven past eight schools to get to Sandy Hook. What on Earth?

What all do you think is fishy about Sandy Hook? Be honest.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

What was Lanza's motive in shooting up a lower elementary school when he was in his 20's, and why have zero of the family members addressed that issue publicly? He would have driven past eight schools to get to Sandy Hook. What on Earth?

You sound as if he would have driven to an arbitrarily chosen school, and wonder, why not the nearest one to where he lived?
His mother used to work there - that's enough of a connection to the specific school, isn't it?
Why shoot up a school as outlet for whatever psychological problems lie behind it?
Because it's something he saw on TV, because shooting up schools is sort of en vogue in terms of most horrible things to do and get massive, worldwide attention.


But the question of motive is of course an interesting one.
If you doubt, that it has happened, then it had to be set up.
The only ones able to pull something like this off would be the government.
So - where is the motive of the government?

Remember - there are hundreds and hundreds of people involved - all of them would have had to be paid off so royally, that not one of them blew the whistle. Including the whole community, where the families lived, either. Not one person.

If it were a government stunt - which motive would justify such expenses and such risk?
If it were to come out - the whole government had to resign, no less.

To start a war - that might be a motive for going as far as such a thing - but what on earth is the profit for the government from this?


And - nina - how many photos of you with your real name attached are there to be found on the internet?
I checked for me - none.

Ok let's look at Columbine, obviously the two shooters are bitter at their classmates about being bullied, not fitting in, and generally being treated like shit. Let's look at the very recent UCSB incident...the killer even leaves behind a hundred page manifesto about what drove him to this act...basically, he was a 22 year old virgin and social outcast and couldn't understand it and wanted to kill some pretty girls etc. What does Adam Lanza leave behind? Nothing. What is his motive? Was he bullied? Funny that no one even mentions anything about him other than...he likes guns, Columbine, and violent video games (as we can see from the conveniently arranged photos of his room). Ok. Is he also a retard? Because he sounds mentally retarded and not merely afflicted with a very mild form of autism. I know plenty of people with Asperger's that would never just flip their shit for no reason and kill dozens of people and themselves AND their own mother...for what? WHY? Earlier you were all saying that it's because of SSRIs? Well apparently he was also against drugs and alcohol. It's funny how usually a doctor will say when someone was on SSRIs but with Lanza it is only speculation and unfounded claims.

Also, as UM said...I'm asking questions because there are things that don't fit. Too many things. And asking questions is what people do when they want to find out the truth, there's no harm in it. I'm all for giving people the benefit of the doubt though.

Steph, there are a few photos on the internet with my real name attached and there are also ones attached to various screen names. But note that none of my screen names are a completely different fake name. I go by nina here...is nina my real name? No, it's a nickname. But I'm also not claiming that my name is Nina P. Anderson or something completely random and fake like some of these people.

Also it's entirely fair to say that the sandy hook story is bizarre and full of holes (even the residents expressed their dismay that the official police report offered NO real answers) without making a claim that it's all a government conspiracy. A rational person asks some questions and suddenly they are labeled a crazy conspiracy theorist, it's no wonder there is so much disinformation in this world.

Anyways, as I said before...I'm done with this subject, and will try very hard not to visit this thread again.