Thread: Tell Me : How do we know we are not an alien planets science project ?

Comet the burden of proof is on you to provide evidence supporting your idea about humans being an aleins expirement. Its not enough to say

"How do you know? It could be possible ya know?"

I could say hey Comet did you know that people in China have inverted anuses?

You would say NO they dont!

Then i would say you never know you nver been thre!

The burden of proof would be on me to provide evidence that people in china have inverted anuses, likewise in this thread the burden of proof is on you to provide evidence. Otherwise your theory is just as hocus pocus as the bible and the tooth fairy.

Like I stated, I posed the thought to see what other peoples opinions and concepts were. This is an ask me / tell me thread, not a prove each other wrong
thread. Obviously I can't prove any of this, you would be silly to think that I could. I'm pretty discouraged by the majority of these responses, a lot of negativity and not much creativity. You seem more interested in being contrary and crude ( inverted anuses ? ) than actually posting your opinion. BTW, how do you know where I have or have not been ?

join the club comet. we have some pretty close minded people here. i mean here we are on a small planet. we can barely take a man to the moon. our technology is so limited. yet we boast about knowing for certain the fact that intelligent beings don't come here, and twe are 100% sure based on no evidence. More people believe UFO's exist than really voted for george bush... niff said.

Just kidding. To tell you how we know we're not an alien planets science project, I can't.

Originally Posted by ranma187

join the club comet. we have some pretty close minded people here. i mean here we are on a small planet. we can barely take a man to the moon. our technology is so limited. yet we boast about knowing for certain the fact that intelligent beings don't come here, and twe are 100% sure based on no evidence. More people believe UFO's exist than really voted for george bush... niff said.

Incorrect until proven correct is my motto.

If I see no reason to believe something-- I won't.

And judging transportational travel and physics and logic and reason is failure.

Oh and btw Ranma I'm pretty sure that the Majority of the public believes that 9/11 attacks were totally unprovoked and unpredicted. Does that make them right?

Let's face it, the majority are idiots.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Incorrect until proven correct is my motto.

Alrighty then, please list us some things that you know to be correct because they have been proven, in your opinion. And try to avoid the obvious and retarded if you possibly can. For example : The sky is blue, the earth is round and any other inane crap that will make many of the open minded folks here want to choke you for your ignorance.
Don't be scared to actually let us in on some of your inner most beliefs. Though I doubt you really have any judging from your posts.

Be more specific.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I expected.

Well you basically said "Tell me something you believe to be a fact but nothing that is just obvious".

You didn't really define obvious.

For example it is quite an obvious fact that the earth is round-- It wasn't just a few hundred years ago.

Again-- Be more specific.

You have no original thoughts. People like you are a waste of space. Specific enough for you, junior ? The point was for YOU to be specific about YOUR beliefs. I also believe that you understood that but chose belligerence as a veil to hide your lack of creativity. Prove me wrong, if you can. Do I have to hold your hand and tell you how to accomplish that as well ? Contribute in a positive way, if only this once.

He can't. Never has and never will.

It's best to ignore trolls like him. They feed off the anger they incite because they can't do anything productive with themselves so they feel it best to bring others down.

He's the one that has to quiet that chaotic mind of his and sleep with himself at night, not I. That's punishment in itself, if you ask me. Ef 'em.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Incorrect until proven correct is my motto.

If I see no reason to believe something-- I won't.

And judging transportational travel and physics and logic and reason is failure.

Oh and btw Ranma I'm pretty sure that the Majority of the public believes that 9/11 attacks were totally unprovoked and unpredicted. Does that make them right?

Let's face it, the majority are idiots.

Just because the majority of people believe that, is only because they can't think for themselves... Sheep can't help being sheep. But sheep must have their reality shattered so they become the black sheep. all at once. And for those of us who are open minded it's our job to wake people up. eitherwise we are just a bunch of whiners not taking responsibility for our lives here on earth. Such whiners will die like the rest of the sheep.

It sound to me seis, like just because you believe that 911 was an inside job. That THAT fact therefore makes you better than everybody. There fore it's never your fault if Elitists take over the globe. It's just stupid people. blame the elitists AND the stupid. Yet what you fail to realise is this: you can't handle the fact that It's your responsibility on this planet, is to wake people up, for your sake or your childrens sake. you're so fucking insecure that you have to blame people for being idiots just so you don't have to feel bad about anything. PERIOD.

ranma, you know these guys feed of this type of reaction, right?

Why do you think DV upped it's age limit? Simple. Because of children like him.

I was a member here a few years back and a topic like this was typically met with a wide array of responses ranging from logical to ludicrous, but always thoughtful to some degree. I began posting again because my dream recall is always better when dreaming culture is more constant in my life, such as exchanging thoughts with you all. I can't say that this thread has motivated me to stay involved, though.

As an aside, I had a neat half lucid last night in which I could fly as I normally do but was convinced that I was really awake. Good control, like in waking, but without that sense of " I'm definitely dreaming ". I was trying to explain to a friend of mine how I had learned to fly in dreams and could now do it awake as well. Pretty fun.

Well, I put a lot of time into my post for you so you should learn to look at the silver lining... it's all too easy to stare into the void and get mesmerized and encompassed by it.

Also, the ask/tell me section isn't the best kind of place to get a fair response...

Try Extended Discussion.

Originally Posted by SolSkye

Well, I put a lot of time into my post for you so you should learn to look at the silver lining... it's all too easy to stare into the void and get mesmerized and encompassed by it.

Also, the ask/tell me section isn't the best kind of place to get a fair response...

Try Extended Discussion.

Thank you, I appreciate your outlook.

Originally Posted by SolSkye

He can't. Never has and never will.

It's best to ignore trolls like him. They feed off the anger they incite because they can't do anything productive with themselves so they feel it best to bring others down.

He's the one that has to quiet that chaotic mind of his and sleep with himself at night, not I. That's punishment in itself, if you ask me. Ef 'em.

That's the best assessment of people like him I've seen.

I just want to take the time to address sol skye's post right now (about the blocks)...

First of all, do you know anything about physics? I mean, it is vastly oversimplistic to pretend that it would take that many slaves to move it. Besides the fact that you are assuming that they are pulling it at exactly parallel to the stone with no friction. To use your logic... well, consider those people who could pull an airplane by themselves (one of those strongmen). I imagine then, it would take about... max, 10 of those people to pull that block. Now, imagine a "slave" equals 10 or even 20 of those guys. That means about 100-200 people can move that stone. Not that big of a deal. Also, you do realize that while it would take that many to lift it, it is not the same to push or pull it. A LOT less people are required to push or pull something than lift it. I mean christ, I can push a car by myself. I can even push really heavy stuff with no wheels by myself. It is a lot harder to lift it though. Besides that anecdotal evidence, it is actually physically easier to push/pull than lift (for a simplified explanation, lifting fights against the force of gravity on the mass. Pushing/pulling only against friction, and simply the force of the object. And to really show you where your logic was flawed, technically, in a world of no friction, it requires exactly 1 person to move that object (even an inch). I don't think you understand basic concepts of physics. ANY force on an object with no friction will cause it to move (albeit a negligible amount). Also, there is a difference between "static" and "kinetic" friction.


So besides that point, the second point is that....

Just because we don't know exactly how it was built doesnt' mean it was built by some supernatural being or something. That's how people used to think. But actually, research into ancient building techniques has shown that they were in fact able to be moved... rather easily.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRRDzFROMx0

A SINGLE MAN builds a mini stonehedge. Imagine if that technology was used to a much greater degree. Unique lifting and moving systems were used in order to move these things, not magic.

Also, all materials used in that were available at the time to the people who built these structures. Just because in our world today OUR only way of lifting giant things is with massive cranes and such, doesn't mean that is the only way. There are ways to take advantage of simple laws of physics that were indeed known back then (they had physics then, too!) to move massive things as well as prop them up. Those ways are just a bit more time, energy, and material consuming. But entirely possible.

In short, all of your examples of these giant, seemingly impossibly built structures are well, completely possible. Not built by "gods" or "aliens" or whatever the hell you think. Don't use your ignorance of physics to justify that "magic" was used. Please study basic laws of motion and friction at LEAST, as well as other more complex physics if you want to actually learn how these things were moved. Good luck

That is a great video, wasup. Makes you want to try some of it out. I'm glad you posted it. Btw, I'm not attributing all things unknown to magic or aliens. I do like to pose questions that generate good conversation, though.

CometLike I'm mostly just addressing SolSkye's point, I think your question was totally legit (I mean, as you said, there really is no way to know). Maybe aliens "created us" and let us develop... but I wouldn't say anything more than that (already I take a more "we don't really know, but I doubt it" stance). As in, I wouldn't say they were directly involved, such as SolSyke believes.

Originally Posted by CometLike

You have no original thoughts. People like you are a waste of space. Specific enough for you, junior ? The point was for YOU to be specific about YOUR beliefs. I also believe that you understood that but chose belligerence as a veil to hide your lack of creativity. Prove me wrong, if you can. Do I have to hold your hand and tell you how to accomplish that as well ? Contribute in a positive way, if only this once.

Well, well, Mr. "I like to communicate poorly then yell at people and act smug when I am misunderstood"

I have explained my beliefs before, and they aren't anything very complex because in reality, it is very hard to prove things.

My core beliefs are just go with the flow. I like to think about things yes, but I don't pull overused ideas out and assert them unless I find it having enough backing to be considered factual.

Some things I accept as facts:

- The earth is round
- We do not know how the universe came into existence
- Evolution is a fact
- Abiogenesis is a plausable idea
- Tectonic plate theory isn't complete
- The sun is made of hydrogen and deutritium
- The world is not going to end until the sun goes nova or a grossly large object collides with us.
- Gravity works
- No theology is correct
- Christianity, Judaism, and many religions are based around Fables and fairy tales
- Your brain works through electrical synapses

And who the hell are you to judge my creativity because I challenge the idea that the earth is a science project?

I'm here to disagree, you're here to bring up some kind of evidence.

If you don't like it that I am not just saying "Oh wow that's a revolutionary idea!" (Which it isn't-- It's been circulated many times) then oh well.

Call me a troll, call me what you like. I don't really care. You're the one with the idea, not me.

And how dare you tell me I have no original thoughts when this whole idea is almost as old as UFO sightings!

Oh and by the way: facts are universal, so it's stupid to ask what I consider a fact and then tell me "Not the obvious ones"

Originally Posted by wasup

CometLike I'm mostly just addressing SolSkye's point, I think your question was totally legit (I mean, as you said, there really is no way to know). Maybe aliens "created us" and let us develop... but I wouldn't say anything more than that (already I take a more "we don't really know, but I doubt it" stance). As in, I wouldn't say they were directly involved, such as SolSyke believes.

That video was cool, but you can take that unnecessary condescension of yours you posted along with it elsewhere...

I never said I believed anything. Please don't assume or put words in my mouth. Thanks.

I just entertain all thoughts and possibilities and keep an open mind about it. I find it to be the best way to go about living.

By all means, look at the evidence and jump to your own conclusions. I'll continue to jump between them. A maverick in the system, if you will.

Ciao.

So much for discussions. See ya folks.