Thread: This involes the fate of our existence id say

Right we should have a monarchy.

It basically is a monarchy right now. I agree with everything you said LucidRocker. Although religion was just used as an excuse for wars, I'm fairly sure whoever started wars over religion would've started a war anyways, religion was just a very convenient excuse.

I think if people were taught morals, and their parents put in the time to raise them properly, we wouldn't need government as we know it today, as people would be able to make the right decisions on their own. Personally, without the government, I would do just fine. Sadly, there are a lot of people in the world right now who would not be fine at all, thus making the government necessary.

If it is defending yourself that you are worried about, live in a community that cares about each other, and I'm sure people would have no problems defending themselves militia style if the need arose. The need for armies is due to the fact that there are powerful people in the world who want more power, and are willing to do anything for it, including destroying whole cities. Obviously against such people, more than a spontaneous defense group is necessary. But against your random murderer / rapist / thief, a united community is all you need to defend yourself. The problem arises in getting everyone a quality education, without it, idiocy will find its way into powerful positions and continue to try to oppress and pillage the world.

The most powerful weapons on their side are ignorance and deception. They use these to trick people into following their cause. Anyone sane and capable of thinking for themselves would not blindly follow these people's words.

There are a lot of people in the world who have fallen victim to ignorance and deception and who legitimately believe that they need the government and will do anything for it (joining the military for example). I am not anti-military, I am just anti-military misuse, which is clearly the case. Governments are severely lacking any kind of moral compass.

Originally Posted by Schmaven

I think if people were taught morals

Whose morals? Yours?

What a nicely written post that was wow, really, just very logically to press enter all the time. like it really makes you look like a wanker. On your silly rant: Yes American 'democracy' fails hardly. It also isn't going to change. A badly written post on some forum isn't going to change the slightest bit. Also, great that you don't just criticize, but think of alternatives to the problem. I don't see why they just hand over control to the world right now, with all your great, workable, world-changing ideas. Also very clear that you really 'rebelled' when it came to the horrible school system, didn't you? Oh man, did you get them back, not learning proper English, that will teach them not to conform to your ideas of education! Yeah, why go to school, if it isn't the perfect school you want it to be? Why should you go with it till you can go to some proper college (you can, apparently (lol))? Don't go with the flow and get some A's on the below-averagely functioning school system, naaaa, just kick against it, rebel, and become an unemployed dickhole. Yeah. Fuck the system. Yeah. Fuck yourself.

I'm sorry to say this but Getting A's on a report card does not equal happiness for me. Getting a job I hate that pays very little, and what little i have, mostly goes into false income tax claims and into the pockets of oil hungry assholes. Even tho there exists today a complete replacement of fossil fuel and Oil that would not damage the earth.

And I'm supposed to be happy and gratefull for all of this? so yeah keep on with your dead end job and get your degrees that aren't worth shit. Thermometers have degrees too and they get suck up someones ass. Oh yeah Look at me and how succsefful i am. I'm a mindless robot feeding the very system that plots my demise. What a success I am...

Fuck that I would rather be happy with the goals i set for myself than achieve the mundane goals that other people expect of me. I refuse to be a slave of other peoples Ideals. I was born here for fucks sakes! why should i Have to pay to live here?

Originally Posted by ranma187

I'm sorry to say this but Getting A's on a report card does not equal happiness for me. Getting a job I hate that pays very little, and what little i have, mostly goes into false income tax claims and into the pockets of oil hungry assholes. Even tho there exists today a complete replacement of fossil fuel and Oil that would not damage the earth.

And I'm supposed to be happy and gratefull for all of this? so yeah keep on with your dead end job and get your degrees that aren't worth shit. Thermometers have degrees too and they get suck up someones ass. Oh yeah Look at me and how succsefful i am. I'm a mindless robot feeding the very system that plots my demise. What a success I am...

Fuck that I would rather be happy with the goals i set for myself than achieve the mundane goals that other people expect of me. I refuse to be a slave of other peoples Ideals. I was born here for fucks sakes! why should i Have to pay to live here?

You're paying for buildings, transport, facilities, leisure, shops, defense and security. Not really just to live there.

^yes indeed

Plus, getting a degree actually INCREASES your chance of NOT getting a dead end job if you get ones that actually require intelligence. Such degrees will lead to careers that change and grow and are quite fulfilling. I realize this is not for everyone though and there are other fulfilling ways to go. So dont be so bitter against it.

I think too many people didn't think about what they wanted to do with their lives enough before deciding on a career path. Because shouldn't you pursue something you're going to enjoy? I know a lot of people who hate their jobs and complain about it... But it's their own damn fault so it's hard to really feel sorry for them.

And I think if people were taught good morals, it doesn't matter whose morals, just that they are good ones, that we'd be better off. It doesn't take a genius to be able to tell right from wrong. If you don't know what good morals are, then perhaps you should do some introspection.

I agree. If people were taught honesty, that alone would drastically change business and politics in the modern world. But we have created a system of drastic competition. People feel it is alright to lie and steal to get ahead. They think it's ok to take advantage of those weaker than them. In fact, theyfeel it's necessary. There is no need for such competition. We are all in this together so let's work together instead of against one another for a change.

But in reference to the original post, I think it is necessary to vote and participate in society. Not voting just makes you part of the large group of people who don't give a fuck. If you think there is too much government, or should be no government, then vote for people who say they will do something to decrease the amount of government. Vote for someone like Ron Paul.

Originally Posted by stonedape

I agree. If people were taught honesty, that alone would drastically change business and politics in the modern world. But we have created a system of drastic competition. People feel it is alright to lie and steal to get ahead. They think it's ok to take advantage of those weaker than them. In fact, theyfeel it's necessary. There is no need for such competition. We are all in this together so let's work together instead of against one another for a change.

You're describing survival of the fittest. It is the law of life, and is very necessary. Humans don't work well together. We are still animals in the end, and selfisness will always prevail

Vote for someone like Ron Paul.

No. Just...no.

Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

You're describing survival of the fittest. It is the law of life, and is very necessary. Humans don't work well together. We are still animals in the end, and selfisness will always prevail .

Selfishness will always prevail? Are you kidding? When has selfishness prevailed? Rich people might have all the money and all the power, But they will never really know what life is. It is much harder to find happiness when living a life of excess. Generosity is the key to happiness.



No. Just...no.[/QUOTE]
Why not? He's the only real conservative thats had a chance in years.

Originally Posted by Neruo

What a nicely written post that was wow, really, just very logically to press enter all the time. like it really makes you look like a wanker. On your silly rant: Yes American 'democracy' fails hardly. It also isn't going to change. A badly written post on some forum isn't going to change the slightest bit. Also, great that you don't just criticize, but think of alternatives to the problem. I don't see why they just hand over control to the world right now, with all your great, workable, world-changing ideas. Also very clear that you really 'rebelled' when it came to the horrible school system, didn't you? Oh man, did you get them back, not learning proper English, that will teach them not to conform to your ideas of education! Yeah, why go to school, if it isn't the perfect school you want it to be? Why should you go with it till you can go to some proper college (you can, apparently (lol))? Don't go with the flow and get some A's on the below-averagely functioning school system, naaaa, just kick against it, rebel, and become an unemployed dickhole. Yeah. Fuck the system. Yeah. Fuck yourself.

ANd i sit a laugh at you because it doesnt matter how i fuckking write u noob u still aparently read it lol

If you guys think im like hating on the skool system haha
man thats funny i mean
everything is just old skool already seriously... i mean i can do it just its to damn slow and alot of kids well people just have fucking add now days so shit has to change...i think instead of getting a fucking dumb ass president each year
the WORLD AND PEOPLE on it lol should all get together and look at the rules and shit we got going on and see if it still fits the time were in
cause shit isnt gonna be the same as next you
so u cant go on that fishing trip you love to do every year if u get what im saying... u know this is out future and shit and i dont want to just
become another rerun =] and thanks schmaven for your reply =] kinda was i was hopeing for
open minded people who see the flaws in our way of life
i mean im only 17 how come i can see this shit and not grown men/women?

Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

You're describing survival of the fittest. It is the law of life, and is very necessary. Humans don't work well together. We are still animals in the end, and selfisness will always prevail



No. Just...no.

and im going to laugh when all us humans are fighting agains eachother and some aliens come out of no where and kill us then we will finaly work together lol
but why must it take some crazy disaster to make us change? like that city that got hit with the tornadoe...now they wanna build green but it toook death and destruction for them to do this..i would blow up every city and camp out while we rebuilt if i had to hah

ANd i sit a laugh at you because it doesnt matter how i fuckking write u noob u still aparently read it lol

Of course it matters... on a forum you will indeed get judged by the way you write, and with that attitude, too. I mean so far it looks like you got the intelligence of a rioting monkey that's pissed because some humans took your banana. But I can see the problem with this of course, it's very serious.

Oh, and just so you know in the future, it's spelled "School"

Idiot.

Seriously though, from just reading your original post I wouldn't think you're 17:S Also kind of hard to read your posts You should look into the term called punctuation.

Oh, and as I've done some times now, try to use the edit button for once Instead of spamming 3 posts at once when it could have easily been included in one.

eh not really cause people like u take shit way to seriously haha
makes me laugh while i eat my toast!!
you also have nothing or anything even close to the topic i'm onPERIOD..!
so why did u even post hereQUESTION MARK
lawl ur funnyEXCLAMATION

eh not really cause people like u take shit way to seriously haha

Of course not! I just use my brain while making my statements, how can that be taking things way to seriously? I guess there's a whole lot of members here who takes things way too seriously, according to you Why even bother having the debate then? Was it ment to be a serious debate or just something people could reply "lalwlolo ur toaly rite" to? ^^

lawl ur funny

Why thank you, didn't know it was that easy to be funny

so why did u even post here

Because it's fun

But I'll leave it to this, have fun

yeh humor comes pretty easy now a days
well im off u have nothing important to say
that catches my eye
laters time to dream

the problem is human nature. It is not a perfect world and it never will be. We can argue all day that in a perfect world we would not need a government. Heck monkeys don't need to police and security. Its human nature...we are the ones with the knowlege of goodand evil (whether or not you believe the bible).

Although government SHOULD not be a part of government. When you introduce reigion relgion into a government it only causes trouble. If someone wants to give me an example of a theological government that worked be my guest.

For example Arabic governments like iran and saudi arabia if a women gets rapped not only do they turn a blind eye but they punish the women severly for adultury. And in order to prove rape you need to have an actual eye witness. It doesnt matter if the guys DNA is all over her ...(not that they would investigate it or process it to begin with) or that she was beaten and someone saw the guy walk out of the room or they got it on tape. Someone actually has to sit their and watch her get raped >.<

Now tell me that is right?

In america a women whos life is endanger if she doesn't get an abortion (like people with severe diabetes) is not able to get an abortion in some states because they want to put religion on everyone.

Is that right?

Or how about how In the US they still have to teach creationism instead of teaching science to kids. They think everyone is religious and they want to impose their relgion. Or how about how sex ed can't be taught because Christian parents are too stupid to understand that having a child ends a person's life and that a 17 or 18 year old shouldnt have a kid...and that absinience just doesn't work.

Or how about how stem cell research funding is banned because of some far out religious prejudice.

Or how about how the morning after pill wasn't approved for over the counter solely because of religious reasons. Or how pharmicts can decide not to dispense it.

/end rant

Originally Posted by LucidRocker

ANd i sit a laugh at you because it doesnt matter how i fuckking write u noob u still aparently read it lol

LOl yoU liek toTALY goT mEE tHERE@!!111! Maybe you would have had a point if reading took me as much afford as it clearly takes you. All you did now is prove people you are a complete childish retard, and now people -even the dim ones- will no longer even slightly take seriously what you are saying.

Originally Posted by Neruo

LOl yoU liek toTALY goT mEE tHERE@!!111! Maybe you would have had a point if reading took me as much afford as it clearly takes you. All you did now is prove people you are a complete childish retard, and now people -even the dim ones- will no longer even slightly take seriously what you are saying.

you were the one insulting me when u clearly understood what i was saying =]
u should try not being a dick when u explain things it helps you know.
Also you dont need to school to learn i mean it helps u learn how to understand things i give it that.
But shouldnt u take it from there?
Your own path.i would personally i mean we dont learn things..
we remember what is already there to be rememberd

Originally Posted by aceofspades

the problem is human nature. It is not a perfect world and it never will be. We can argue all day that in a perfect world we would not need a government. Heck monkeys don't need to police and security. Its human nature...we are the ones with the knowlege of goodand evil (whether or not you believe the bible).

Although government SHOULD not be a part of government. When you introduce reigion relgion into a government it only causes trouble. If someone wants to give me an example of a theological government that worked be my guest.

For example Arabic governments like iran and saudi arabia if a women gets rapped not only do they turn a blind eye but they punish the women severly for adultury. And in order to prove rape you need to have an actual eye witness. It doesnt matter if the guys DNA is all over her ...(not that they would investigate it or process it to begin with) or that she was beaten and someone saw the guy walk out of the room or they got it on tape. Someone actually has to sit their and watch her get raped >.<

Now tell me that is right?

In america a women whos life is endanger if she doesn't get an abortion (like people with severe diabetes) is not able to get an abortion in some states because they want to put religion on everyone.

Is that right?

Or how about how In the US they still have to teach creationism instead of teaching science to kids. They think everyone is religious and they want to impose their relgion. Or how about how sex ed can't be taught because Christian parents are too stupid to understand that having a child ends a person's life and that a 17 or 18 year old shouldnt have a kid...and that absinience just doesn't work.

Or how about how stem cell research funding is banned because of some far out religious prejudice.

Or how about how the morning after pill wasn't approved for over the counter solely because of religious reasons. Or how pharmicts can decide not to dispense it.

/end rant

exactly man i love you haha
religion just screws everything over...cause they think there just all mighty..
i mean i feel you on the stem cell research..thats just fucking limiting all our like beliefs when u say u cant do something because religion..how small minded could people get and yeh i believe in the government its just being run by people who think they have the divine right from god to do whatever they want..if god were there..he wouldnt be talking to just 1 person(a prophet) he would talk to anyone and everyone..i think we created god therefor we are god. so just believe in your self and not some man in the clouds who wants ur money haha

well I have read a lot of literature all of them critical of religion.

And now that I just read Stranger in a Strange land which was all about religion and how morals are what cause all the war and strife in this country.

Basically a guy who was born on mars comes to earth and he has never been exposed to our system of morals.

Basically he imbodies Hienlien's view of sexual freedom and a new system of morality. He starts a "church" that isn't really a religion because everyone is from different religions and everyone simply does not care who sleeps with who....

I just finished reading it last night and it was by far the best book...and trust me ive read a ton of good sci-fi books.

basically religion is only a hinderance and is the scape goat for anything.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stranger_in_a_strange_land

Yeh man pretty much..i think jesus if there was a jesus..he was just a guy like you and me and he probably was just more open minded and had ideas and was sharing them with people and they killed him said he was crucified.. lol and yeh u know the rest