Thread: October 14, First Contact

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

True, these super advanced "aliens" come off as...human.... also what's up with the name? "federation of light"? sounds like some type of human made up startrek name.

edit-that reminds me...they say they will be here for 3 days, yet they wont give us what we want...a greeting i presume. If they stay in their ship for 3 days how are they even going to help us do whatever they are going to help us with? they are inside their ship all the time..unless they release something from their ship to make us alittle more enlightenet but that would be considered a hostile attack by the government and all up in arms they will go blasting missles.

a lot of people feel that the American government specifically, would feel any aliens coming here as a threat. or rather, they would transform it into a threat to spread fear so that more taxes can go into the military. . .

after reading the website, the idea I got was to simply 'cruise' around earth. probably get attacked by the government. but not attack back - and this was a way of showing the public that they come in peace. No soldier, no plane, would be harmed in the process. And those generals would have to conclude "they come in peace"

how is not a greeting?? how is not giving what people want??

from the description, this would be world wide news, and world wide disclosure that extraterrestrials are visiting the earth. And they are NOT attacking. that in itself is enough for most.

according to the website, the aliens have been watching us for a very long time. not because they are just curious, but to figure out the best way to perform first contact. that included - understanding the different nations of the world, how they interact, who's in charge. And most of all, how we would react. For example, would we then tell the aliens "FIX OUR PROBLEMS!" when it isn't their problem or obligation to fix anything??

an intelligent race that has respect for another race would then, respect the leadership and sovereignty of that race. For first contact in america for example, we would eventually have to see the aliens shake hands with the president. because this to americans, would be the highest sign that peaceful first contact has been made to americans.

why isn't this happening yet? for many reasons. Who says just because aliens shake the hands of a president, that any american will ever know about it? There are many reasons why the government would keep this secret. And one of those reasons is religious.

And we all know how religion has infiltrated into the White House. Imagine what the President would have to say to all those fundies "um....there is life in the universe" when according to fundamentalism, there isnt.

Again, if we are holding that these aliens are sentient intelligent, peaceful space age civilization. Then they would have respect for 'differences'. Because any space age civilization can only expect the next race to be 'different'. They would not think it is their right to cause mass panic. If a civilization ISN'T MENTALLY READY to behold the sight of another race, then it would be disrespectful to cause mass panic.

Religion is partly the reason why such extraterrestrials would avoid such first contact. And many religious fanatics are convinced, ANY AND ALL ET'S MUST BE, DEMONS in disguises. There is much more to this demonic view of ETs, including the media, horror movies, and hoaxed demonic alien abductions. That's another topic, but there are people in the world today who really want us to think any and all ETs are just out to get us. Regardless of your religion. The Disclosure Project talks about these hoaxes and the aims of the humans behind them. The aliens would know about these hoaxes, and would have to first fight all misconceptions about aliens that we hold.

The other reason why they don't want to just come out, and 'shake the hand of the president' is because, after watching us they know how destructive and violent governments are. Not necessarily the masses. They know, that many governments would then be interested in alien technology, simply to build destructive weapons. These technologies, which are meant to be peaceful and can end poverty, can be transformed into global devastating weapons. Simply put, THEY DO NOT TRUST OUR GOVERNMENTS. And do not trust to make first contact with those ruling governments of the world, or give them ANYTHING. We are cave men in light of their technology, it can destroy us if we continue to act stupid and war!!

No sentient intelligent species would give humanity anything. Because anything that they give us can be turned into a weapon. Even the cure to cancer, im sure we would be able to transform that into a horrible biological weapon!! We first have to prove to that alien race, we are a peaceful people. . . . So any expectations you have an an intelligent race descending say "HEY HUMANITY, I EXIST. HERE IS YOUR CURE TO CANCER! MUCH LOVE" forget it!!!

These aliens know all about those hollywood movies with nothing but demonic aliens. They have a lot working against them. Including a very large complex UFO COMMUNITY, who many believe aliens are just here to hack us up into pieces and anal probe us. Many big time alien believers actually, don't welcome aliens.

While I am not saying I believe in october 14, 2008, I think the plan behind it is very smart. Any smart alien would know, of all things, not to trust the american government. Any smart alien would know, how controlled the media is, and how easy it is to lie to the masses. Any smart alien would know, how many people would simply say "SATAN, SATAN!!".

I mean, look how many people are terrified at the image of the 'grey'? If they do turn out to look like greys, do you think people would welcome them with open arms, or recoil in disgust??

Again, according to the website, this would be a ship larger than ever seen before. That is a reference to the UFO community, and what the UFO community has documented as the largest UFOs seen. And the largest UFOs seen in that community were able to cover the entire night sky from an observer on the ground. So we are talking about a ship larger than that. Massive enough to be witnessed by millions at a single time!!!. . in other words. . . DISCLOSURE.

You can call the channeler crazy. But what I enjoy about this prophesy is its honesty and how out in the open the event is. It's not like in the past where a channeler would be "uh, yeah, you can meet aliens. . .in my backyard, in privacy, and it'll cost you $1000". This event can not be hoaxed, and it will not cost a penny. It either is going to happen, or it isn't. . .

If it does not happen then it's all in that persons head that aliens were coming all this time. Anyway, i think it's great the government are keeping (if they are) the existance of aliens secret, it would cause mass chaos around the globe. We have no idea their intentions, alot of people would be scared and stuff, things like this need to be kept secret untill the humans as a whole
can take these things imo.

edit- They wanna enlighten us, but what does that mean for our science? does that mean we stop any and all science? are we supposed to live off our feelings and love etc? love does not make computers.

This has to be fake, they are charging $15 to buy the transcript from all the conversations between goodchild and the federation of light. Come on, you wanna spread the word but expect people to buy your guys conversation? fuckin scammers i bet.

They need the money to pay the... uhm... "channeling tax".

Scamlets ~ From the people who brought you fractally wrong and the mcleroy beam

I'm gonna settle this thread once and for all.

Channelers are SCAM ARTISTS. Any well trained actor can pretend to Channel. That channeler charges 15 dollars a transcribe. Well the wacko I'm about to show you charges $500 an hour on the phone. The sad thing is. people are dumb enough to fall for it.

Originally Posted by ranma187

I'm gonna settle this thread once and for all.

Channelers are SCAM ARTISTS. Any well trained actor can pretend to Channel. That channeler charges 15 dollars a transcribe. Well the wacko I'm about to show you charges $500 an hour on the phone. The sad thing is. people are dumb enough to fall for it.

but I dont understand what would be the scam in this case?

what is the scam?

im convinced the channeler believes in her date, since I don't see how she can hoax a massive UFO sighting.

the best you can do is say she is mentally ill, but not a scammer.

Originally Posted by ranma187

I'm gonna settle this thread once and for all.

Channelers are SCAM ARTISTS. Any well trained actor can pretend to Channel. That channeler charges 15 dollars a transcribe. Well the wacko I'm about to show you charges $500 an hour on the phone. The sad thing is. people are dumb enough to fall for it.

OMG it is like white noise...

Originally Posted by ranma187

I'm gonna settle this thread once and for all.

Channelers are SCAM ARTISTS. Any well trained actor can pretend to Channel. That channeler charges 15 dollars a transcribe. Well the wacko I'm about to show you charges $500 an hour on the phone. The sad thing is. people are dumb enough to fall for it.

While "Bashar" is bullshit, and a scam artist, he does speak a lot of truth.
This truth should be given away for free and not charged $500+ per session, which is where the scam comes in, but there is much truth nonetheless.

Originally Posted by juroara

but I dont understand what would be the scam in this case?

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

they are charging $15 to buy the transcript from all the conversations between goodchild and the federation of light.

Question asked and answered.

Originally Posted by juroara

an intelligent race that has respect for another race would then, respect the leadership and sovereignty of that race. For first contact in america for example, we would eventually have to see the aliens shake hands with the president. because this to americans, would be the highest sign that peaceful first contact has been made to americans.

The American intelligent "race" has certainly not respected the leadership of other intelligent "races" leaderships. Would we expect aliens to treat Hitler or Khan with respect?

why isn't this happening yet? for many reasons. Who says just because aliens shake the hands of a president, that any american will ever know about it? There are many reasons why the government would keep this secret. And one of those reasons is religious.

It might not be happening yet because there are no aliens visiting earth and shaking hands with any presidents.

And we all know how religion has infiltrated into the White House. Imagine what the President would have to say to all those fundies "um....there is life in the universe" when according to fundamentalism, there isnt.

Why is America the only nation being courted? I would imagine aliens would find the most advanced government and go there first to make a point. So, I haven't seen any aliens in Sweden lately

after watching us they know how destructive and violent governments are. Not necessarily the masses.

Who exactly is it that is enabling these representative governments then?

I mean, look how many people are terrified at the image of the 'grey'? If they do turn out to look like greys, do you think people would welcome them with open arms, or recoil in disgust??

Who is terrified by the grays other than people supposedly abducted by them and dyslexic Evangelicals? They're small. We could beat them up. Ergo we are not scared by them, only their technology. It's the predator ones we're scared of, but we have Arnold to save us from them.

The continuous non-evidence of these extraordinary claims is enough to write it off as lies...

Yeah the non evidence that UFOs don't exist.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

Yeah the non evidence that UFOs don't exist.

(alien)UFO's don't exist isn't the claim. (alien)UFOs do exist is the claim. Lol it is like you've never had a discussion before...Oh wait I forgot you're retarded... Must I bring out the pink unicorn or the FSM?


Edit: The only evidence for the non-existence of something is the lack of evidence for its existence. Thus I see no reason to believe that UFOs are alien tech. I do see reason to believe that there are morons who misinterpret things and enjoy lieing.

Originally Posted by Sandform

UFO's don't exist isn't the claim. UFOs do exist is the claim. Lol it is like you've never had a discussion before...Oh wait I forgot you're retarded... Must I bring out the pink unicorn or the FSM?


Edit: The only evidence for the non-existence of something is the lack of evidence for its existence. Thus I see no reason to believe that UFOs are alien tech. I do see reason to believe that there are morons who misinterpret things and enjoy lieing.

I guess the only way to know if it's non alien is to see a human...but you can't say it's human made because you don't see any humans. Maybe it flys by itself...i guess that's the only evidence we have, but there is evidence, and people who worked in the government already said there are aliens, that's enough for me. Then again if you believe UFO's fly by themselves because lack of evidence of aliens you gotta say airplanes fly by themselves too because you see no people inside them, thus no evidence people are inside to fly it but you know people fly it and you know aliens fly UFO's.

It's pretty pathetic how much in denial this world is, i think i may laugh. It's almost as bogus as those conspiricy theoryists nutjobs.
I guess aliens are the new "if you believe in aliens you might aswell believe in unicorns".

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

I guess the only way to know if it's non alien is to see a human...but you can't say it's human made because you don't see any humans. Maybe it flys by itself...i guess that's the only evidence we have, but there is evidence, and people who worked in the government already said there are aliens, that's enough for me. Then again if you believe UFO's fly by themselves because lack of evidence of aliens you gotta say airplanes fly by themselves too because you see no people inside them, thus no evidence people are inside to fly it but you know people fly it and you know aliens fly UFO's.

It's pretty pathetic how much in denial this world is, i think i may laugh. It's almost as bogus as those conspiricy theoryists nutjobs.
I guess aliens are the new "if you believe in aliens you might aswell believe in unicorns".

There was a military show on once that showed a "flying saucer" the military made and flew around. People thought it was "aliens." Obviously not. We've never seen an alien, so why believe in one?

MILITARY FLYING SAUCERS

LIKE OMG.

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

We've never seen an alien, so why believe in one?

Have you ever seen an atom?

Have you ever seen the wind?

Have you ever seen a particle, and what is beyond a particle that you have seen?

Experience is truth, and all is subjective.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

I guess the only way to know if it's non alien is to see a human...but you can't say it's human made because you don't see any humans. Maybe it flys by itself...i guess that's the only evidence we have, but there is evidence, and people who worked in the government already said there are aliens, that's enough for me. Then again if you believe UFO's fly by themselves because lack of evidence of aliens you gotta say airplanes fly by themselves too because you see no people inside them, thus no evidence people are inside to fly it but you know people fly it and you know aliens fly UFO's.

I think you are confused...which people are those?...what were their positions?

So far all I have heard is "people" and "other countries" have said aliens exist with no specifics as to what other countries, and what people, thus verifying the claims of what people said is impossible because aren't being told who said it.

Actually I have seen people inside of airplanes...and even if it is remote controlled a human being is still flying it, aside from autopilot.

Also you are setting up a strawman by saying "en again if you believe UFO's fly by themselves."


I believe UFOs are the product of normal air crafts or air born objects being viewed by people without all the information and then these people jump to the conclusion that it is an alien vessel.

Edit: Question: Lucid Flanders...what is your position and what do you think my position is on the subject?

Originally Posted by Sandform

I think you are confused...which people are those?...what were their positions?

Military, or people who worked in area 51. You can find youtubes of these.

So far all I have heard is "people" and "other countries" have said aliens exist with no specifics as to what other countries, and what people, thus verifying the claims of what people said is impossible because aren't being told who said it.

I never said other countrys, just people in the government. Those alien autopsies are all fake though.

Actually I have seen people inside of airplanes...and even if it is remote controlled a human being is still flying it, aside from autopilot.

Yes, on the ground. I am talking about in the air, high in the air. Also not talking about remote controlled as you already see the person controlling it unless your in the bush.

Also you are setting up a strawman by saying "en again if you believe UFO's fly by themselves."

Stop finding excuses.

I believe UFOs are the product of normal air crafts or air born objects being viewed by people without all the information and then these people jump to the conclusion that it is an alien vessel.

I only have 2 stories in mind which i believe. Roswell, and the Phoenix lights. The rest i could care less about.

Originally Posted by Sandform

I think you are confused...which people are those?...what were their positions?

So far all I have heard is "people" and "other countries" have said aliens exist with no specifics as to what other countries, and what people, thus verifying the claims of what people said is impossible because aren't being told who said it.

my internet has been acting up all day, making it hard to post!

first off, this is the october thread. the disclosure project has no affiliation with new age channelers! I want to keep my threads as clean as possible

I said other countries have disclosed. that means they have opened up certain UFO files to the public. NOT that they were saying aliens are real

ill post links there