Thread: For chuff's sake... why are people still having fucking children?

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Originally Posted by Idolfan

I will feel the same in ten years.

No one on earth is capable of saying that honestly.

Hmm ad hominems.

Anyways, what obligates us to create kids, because we want to? Is that a good enough reason?

Originally Posted by Idolfan

@ Adam: Please attack my arguments and not my age. And btw I will feel the same in ten years.

Buddy, I guarantee you that you won't be the same person you are right now in years. You don't know how you'll feel.

Originally Posted by blackjack

Ok well of course! It was so simple, you're a genius Idolfan!!!
Let's have everybody in the world not have anymore children for 70 years and.... oh shit

Yeah, because that's just what's going to happen isn't it? That's just what I'm endorsing?

Yeah I get it. So EVERYONE in the ENTIRE WORLD will just magically turn their heads towards me and they will all MAGICALLY and IN UNISON understand what I'm saying. The ENTIRE WORLD will stop procreating and the human race will go extinct.

Wow dude? Do you have the slightest concept of reality?

Where in this thread have I stated that the entire fucking human race has to stop having children? If you honestly think that we're going to become extinct because of antinatalism you have something seriously fucked up in your head.

Have you ever been out of the house? Do you understand that there are over 6.5 billion people on this planet? Find a way to convince them all to stop having children in spite of human nature, religious beliefs and moral systems and the VHEMT will be knocking at your fucking door in no time.

Is DV seriously this retarded? You make me want to eat a fucking bullet blackjack you nonce.

Oh yeah, and I am still waiting for this 'great big mature revelation' to be explained to me that in a few years is going to magically change my mind. If you can't explain it to me through words then it is nothing more than a delusion that you're using to defend your own desires so GTFO.

Everone in the world are idiots and you're the only intelligent person. Congrats.

Originally Posted by mysterious dreamer

Everone in the world are idiots and you're the only intelligent person. Congrats.

WTF are you being serious?

If I'm the only intelligent person in the world then where did we get cars and planes and PCs from?

???

This site confuses me intensely.

Originally Posted by Idolfan

WTF are you being serious?

If I'm the only intelligent person in the world then where did we get cars and planes and PCs from?

???

This site confuses me intensely.

I'm not even remotely serious, but you're on fire. What exactly was your point when you made this thread?

Originally Posted by mysterious dreamer

I'm not even remotely serious, but you're on fire. What exactly was your point when you made this thread?

Extended discussion on whether or not it is immoral to have children. But it got hijacked by ridiculous ad hominems, as well as my own wrath, which I now regret.

Sorry .

You do not deserve forgiveness.

Suffer my retribution!

*BANNED*

*THREAD LOCKED*

The people having kids are making up for the sperm shortage in the U.K.

http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=36637

Gays are thinning the population through their inability to have kids (naturally, at least).

Don't worry, in 50 years we'll all be fags and lesbos and the population will die.

DISCLAIMER: I do not mean to offend you in any way if you are, indeed, homosexual. I was just trying to lighten the mood in here, please take it in the spirit that it was intended to be taken.

Originally Posted by WakataDreamer

Don't worry, in 50 years we'll all be fags and lesbos and the population will die.

I hope not.

As for the sperm shortage... isn't that a good thing?

My hypothesis is that it is morally wrong to procreate (and please once and for all take reality into consideration and stop the jokes about human extinction), so a sperm shortage in this regard would be a good thing.

For reasons simply refer to my first post.

Ironically, as long as it wouldn't encourage people to have artificial pregnancies I would actually donate sperm. I would prefer it if sperm banks would close down but there's fat chance of that.

Originally Posted by Idolfan

Yeah, because that's just what's going to happen isn't it? That's just what I'm endorsing?

Yeah I get it. So EVERYONE in the ENTIRE WORLD will just magically turn their heads towards me and they will all MAGICALLY and IN UNISON understand what I'm saying. The ENTIRE WORLD will stop procreating and the human race will go extinct.

Wow dude? Do you have the slightest concept of reality?

Where in this thread have I stated that the entire fucking human race has to stop having children? If you honestly think that we're going to become extinct because of antinatalism you have something seriously fucked up in your head.

Have you ever been out of the house? Do you understand that there are over 6.5 billion people on this planet? Find a way to convince them all to stop having children in spite of human nature, religious beliefs and moral systems and the VHEMT will be knocking at your fucking door in no time.

Is DV seriously this retarded? You make me want to eat a fucking bullet blackjack you nonce.

Oh yeah, and I am still waiting for this 'great big mature revelation' to be explained to me that in a few years is going to magically change my mind. If you can't explain it to me through words then it is nothing more than a delusion that you're using to defend your own desires so GTFO.

Haha man calm down, I get what you're talking about, I'm 15 as well. But thats a decision YOU make. And we disagree with you but whatever you can try to find a wife who never wants children, which, sometimes those wifes who never want children are usually immature enough as it is although there are many exceptions

Originally Posted by Idolfan

My hypothesis is that it is morally wrong to procreate

This is where you fail. Wouldn't be a problem if everyone who wanted kids only had kids to replace themselves in the world.

Also, you still haven't touched on the fact that you're a hypocrite (see my first post in this thread).

morally wrong? You know it is morally wrong to be a cannibal in our soceities but in some it is not right? Morality is way too subjective to argue so absolutly about.

anyways, the main reason why you are against it to me seems to be because of all the orphans and over population. A) over population is fear mongering B) fair enough, I can see your point on orphanages. But then, people will need to start procreating again once those orphanage dont have any orphans anymore right?

now I really hate people who think people have kids just because they are selfish. It makes 0 sense. a baby costs A TON of money and having one is a life long commitment. You have to be one of the most unselfish people in the world to be a good parent and I dont know how anyone can think otherwise.

Originally Posted by tkdyo

morally wrong? You know it is morally wrong to be a cannibal in our soceities but in some it is not right? Morality is way too subjective to argue so absolutly about.

anyways, the main reason why you are against it to me seems to be because of all the orphans and over population. A) over population is fear mongering B) fair enough, I can see your point on orphanages. But then, people will need to start procreating again once those orphanage dont have any orphans anymore right?

now I really hate people who think people have kids just because they are selfish. It makes 0 sense. a baby costs A TON of money and having one is a life long commitment. You have to be one of the most unselfish people in the world to be a good parent and I dont know how anyone can think otherwise.

Yes, we will need to start procreating again once the orphanages are empty, but they're not.

Having a child is selfish because you seek the gratification of having a child. Fair enough, it costs a ton of money but as a parent that is the risk which you take. It would be far less selfish to adopt an existing child.

@ Black Eagle. I just can't get my head around why you think that I mean that nobody should procreate. Many believe that it's wrong to drink but we're not going to shut down the pubs. Many think that fornication is wrong but we're not going to make it illegal. People are not just suddenly going to stop having children. If people believe it (personally) to be wrong, all that will happen is that the birth rate will go down. It isn't just going to crash and burn. On the other hand, if everybody continues to use the argument of, "How can it possibly be wrong?", then there will be nobody to accept it for themselves so birth rates will continue to soar.

Originally Posted by Idolfan

I just can't get my head around why you think that I mean that nobody should procreate.

Perhaps you've forgotten, but the name of this thread is "why are people still having fucking children?" You've also repeatedly stated in the thread that it is "morally wrong" to have children. It's not exactly a huge leap to conclude that you don't think that people should have children. If this is not the thesis that you are advancing, then you've done a decidedly poor job at explaining your position.

Originally Posted by Idolfan

Oh yeah, and I am still waiting for this 'great big mature revelation' to be explained to me that in a few years is going to magically change my mind. If you can't explain it to me through words then it is nothing more than a delusion that you're using to defend your own desires so GTFO.

I believe what Adam was originally getting at is that in 10 years (or less) there is the possibility that you may change your mind in whether or not you want to make a baby. The way you feel about major life changes right now (your future occupation; marriage; plans for retirement) will in all likelihood change as you get older and learn and experience more. It may not, but you can't discount the possibility that it will.

I think the argument was blown a little out of proportion This is just my take on the matter.

Idolfan, previously I was under the impression that you only wanted to reduce the population to something that could be considered more sustainable and stable, but it appears now that you want to see nothing short of the species going extinct (the outcome of no procreation). Can you clarify your position in respect to that?

Originally Posted by Idolfan

@ Black Eagle. I just can't get my head around why you think that I mean that nobody should procreate. Many believe that it's wrong to drink but we're not going to shut down the pubs. Many think that fornication is wrong but we're not going to make it illegal. People are not just suddenly going to stop having children. If people believe it (personally) to be wrong, all that will happen is that the birth rate will go down. It isn't just going to crash and burn. On the other hand, if everybody continues to use the argument of, "How can it possibly be wrong?", then there will be nobody to accept it for themselves so birth rates will continue to soar.

Did you ever once consider that it isn't morally wrong to procreate, but it is wrong to not take responsibility for a child you brought into the world? What you're saying is that it's wrong to create your own child that came from you that you get to teach and guide through life, but it is right to adopt another person's child or not have a child. Therefore, people should choose the latter instead of going with the option that appeals to them most. It isn't morally wrong to have children, it's morally wrong to have children you can't care for (rape victims excluded).

Two problems:

1. People have too many children (above 3, ideally 2)

2. People willingly have unprotected sex and then don't take responsibility for their actions.

Solve these problems and your statement of "having children is morally wrong" is false on all fronts.

In industrialized countries, these problems are minuscule. In nations like China and India, overpopulation is the worst. This is because before China and India were industrialized, they had a high death rate. To sustain population the residents absolutely had to have many children because a good amount of them would surely die. As these two nations became industrialized, death rate plummeted and population exploded. This is how it is with all undeveloped nations making the shift becoming developed. Eventually the birth rate drops to equalize with the death rate.

....it's the first time I've seen someone use the phrase "chuff's sake"

Nature has it's own built-in system for solving overpopulation without killing off the entire species. Google "carrying capacity".

Originally Posted by Licity

Nature has it's own built-in system for solving overpopulation without killing off the entire species. Google "carrying capacity".

Nature's built-in systems typically involve death and are highly unpleasant. I wouldn't wish that on the next generation (actually it'll probably be my generation).