Thread: LSD explained for what it is.

Nice hopefully this will open some minds

Extremely interesting.

This only makes me want to take acid even more, and it makes me even angrier that the US government classifies it as having no medical use.

My opinion of course. LSD just makes me think of blood and horror...literally.
Now certain shrooms....that's a whole different and enlightening experience.
Well for me.

Originally Posted by baccuss

My opinion of course. LSD just makes me think of blood and horror...literally.
Now certain shrooms....that's a whole different and enlightening experience.
Well for me.

That sounds to me like it could be quite a troubled, damaged state of your subconscious being.

I do reckon acid has a bit of an animalistic rage-edge somehow. Like it makes you feel the way a Piraña fish becomes manic and wild when it smells blood. But to me it is very dependant on the feelings present in the deeper layers of your mind/soul. If you are in a light, positive, fresh- emotional/mental state of being then your LSD trip is likely to be similair, only more extreme and magnified. If on the other hand you are in a heavy, dark, sad or bitter state of being then your LSD trip is likely to be of a similair nature, only more intensely so. Your LSD trip may be revealing/exposing a troubled, darkened, negatively charged part of your being of which you were totally unaware. This is why LSD (and other Entheogens) is so good at diagnosing mental ailments/wounds and, in turn allow you to heal them. By dissolving the ego it removes barriers which allow acces into previously unknown and long "forgotten" parts of your psyche/soul and it enables you to make connections you were previously unable to make. It allows exploration into the unexplored depths of our being that lay behind the Ego-barries that we usually can't cross in our Ego-dominated consensus daytime awareness. This is how LSD helps so many people (artists, Architects, Neurologists..etc) "reach their full potential" as is often said about LSD.

However high enough doses of Psilocybin Mushrooms can cause the same degree of Ego-dissolving and deep introspection. So the mushrooms can also make you aware of negatively charged parts of your being, resulting in the experience of negative sensations, emotions, thoughts and visions. That does not mean it has to be a Negative experience. That all depends on how you handle the experience
If you resist these sensations it will result in a negative experience of fear, sadness, confusion. If however you succeed it letting these negative sensations flow freely through you, they will flow through and out of you. And so you will be freed/healed from them.
This is the art of Entheogenic healing. And most human beings can learn it believe me.
I have trained myself with numerous psychedelic experiences (Mushrooms, LSD), once every 1, 2 or 3 month, gradually increasing the dose to learn this state of surrender where I let all sensations (negative or Positive) run freely through me, while I remain meditating in passive awareness. I now know my personal ideal doses of LSD, DMT and Mushrooms(not too high, not too low) and I now have the right mindset and approach to psychedelic experiences to no longer fear getting caught up in negative sensations. If you manage to achieve such a surrendered, meditative state of being during a psychedelic experience, suddenly the common, populair saying "Go WITH the Flow" makes alot more sense to you.

On LSD I have had visions of beautyfull, yet terrifying dragons, of beautyfull geometrical flower bookets overlaying the sky and all surfaces, I've seen gigantic mushrooms rotate in the sky, screaming faces emerge from behind the wall, as well as 100ds of airborne, illuminated, orb shaped beings that sing inredibly high pitched, healing chants/vibrations....etc

So the things I've seen on LSD were of a supernatural/magical nature; Both Dark and Light. Scary and Comforting at the same time. Usually mixed together in equal portions.

If you see blood and horror on LSD that might indicate that a certain part of your being/spirit is rather troubled and needs some special care/healing.
Ironically LSD can be used to heal that as well. If you face the horror and let it "come out of you" then you may one day be rid of it. Whatever it may be.
This blood and horror sounds to me like a reflection of troubled part of the self.

sick videos. wow. *applauds* Thank you national geographic.
and WTF about the rats? 150 micrograms!??! every 48 hours!? those rats are perma-tripping
another edit: My doses have been interesting so far. I've had these bad trips where I forget that I'm tripping, think I've died, that I'm living the afterlife and everything that is happening to me is eternal hell. A couple of those, but not quite blood and horror.. well, a little horror.
bad shroom trip where I forgot I'm tripping, thought my contacts hardening up(I had had my eyes open for quite a while probably) was my dead eyeballs crusting.. man.
Honestly I need some good, down to earth not-going-to-fuck-with-you and will-remind-you-that-you're-tripping kinda people with me when I trip acid. 1/2 an 8th of shrooms and i'm set.
but on higher doses of shrooms or moderate doses of acid.. it seems to reoccur that when my brain starts to lose the logic/reasoning part, I freak the fuck out.

Yes, I've personally found mushrooms to be more effective in the way of ego dissolution. Every mushroom trip I take just seems to go there whether I want it to or not. They make me feel okay with myself in a very profound way, like I'm finally accepting myself for who I really am, flaws and all. In this state of "okayness," I can let my guard down completely and no longer need to project an image of respectability out to the world in order to make people think a certain way about me.

LSD however is also a very powerful drug with much healing potential. For me personally I have found it most useful in the area of creativity enhancement. I have noticed that since my 5th or 6th or 7th LSD trip, I have an overall greatly expanded appreciation for natural beauty. I find myself stopping to stare in awe at a beautiful wisp of cloud, or a tree, or even something as simple as the mark of old leaves left on the sidewalk that no one would ever think to look twice at. I also have to say that my musical appreciation and tastes have grown exponentially since I started using LSD.

I wasnt totally clear sorry...when I think / see blood and horror. It's only with my eyes closed. I have a great time with them open. Seeing music as colors...etc

Shrooms do reduce the ego into a oneness with the universe feeling.

I have a few questions about LSD if you don't mind:

For one thing how similar to P. Cubensis are they? I am very experienced with shrooms (done them about 20+ times) and never once experienced a bad trip. Evertime I do them I come out with something similar to what you have experienced... an overall appreciation for the small parts of the world (mostly nature) and also what shroom users call the "after glow". I've been wary of trying LSD mostly because so many people tell me about bad trips and flashbacks, but after seeing those videos on it I believe I now want to try.

How long do flashbacks last for, and how intense are they? Are they just as intense and long as a normal LSD trip?

And for a first time acid experience would it be possible to trip on half a tab? My friend told me to cut it in half for my first and second trips, then after I have gotten used to the experience take the entire blotter.

One more... you said you have experimented with many different psychadelics... would that include Amanita Muscaria (Fly Agaric)? If so how closely do LSD and Fly Agaric trips relate?

I've taken mushrooms about 9 or 10 times and LSD about 13 or 14 times, and to be honest I find LSD much easier to handle. Don't get me wrong, I love mushrooms, but mushrooms (at least for the doses I've taken) are much more intense. I need to have a safe-house where I can chill when I eat mushrooms, and I need to be around people I trust and love. With acid however, I have no problem being in a public place with lots of strange people such as a festival or a phish show where I'll dance my ass off, something I could never do on mushrooms. I have never had a flashback, and I have never talked to anyone who has (I know a lot of people who use LSD). However this doesn't mean they don't happen. Here is a youtube video which discusses flashbacks pretty thoroughly. I'm not an expert, but it seems to me that it's something you only have to worry about with frequent, heavy LSD use.

As far as the actual experiential differences of the trip, a mushroom trip lasts about 5-6 hours, and an LSD trip lasts about 9-12 hours. I only sometimes experience visuals from mushrooms, but I almost always get very pretty visuals from LSD. I have never had a bad trip from LSD, and I have only had a few moments during my LSD trips where anxiety started to creep in. However for me, I almost always experience anxiety for extended amounts of time during my mushroom experiences. It always resolves though, and I end up feeling much more whole and happier than I did before I tripped.

If you've tripped mushrooms more than 20 times then I'm pretty confident you would have no problem having a great trip from LSD. If you feel hesitant, there's no harm in taking a half hit or a hit your first time, but like I said, you would probably have no problem taking 2 hits your first time.

O yes one more thing. On mushrooms I usually just like to listen to silence or the subtle sounds of nature: crickets, wind blowing through the trees, rain, etc. There things are all very nice to listen to while on LSD too, but I have found that LSD enhances music soooo much more than anything I've ever experienced. If you do try it, make sure you bring a CD of some awesome music you want to listen to.

Years ago I was a person who dabbled in such things..."I" of course referring to a very fluid concept. The fungus is potent, but earthy and "darker", however not implying negative. High doses do induce deeper trips, but these still feel more earthbound. Uncle Cid is more like a crazy wild animal - it doesn't just take you places, it rips you out of your body to worlds beyond imagination. Be careful with that one, it can rip you to shreds if you're not careful...I've met some high dosing folks who never came off the merry-go-round. For a while I was one.

Originally Posted by MrFantasy

I've taken mushrooms about 9 or 10 times and LSD about 13 or 14 times, and to be honest I find LSD much easier to handle...

It's strange that you would say that... out of all the people I've talked to about differences/ similarities between caps and acid you're the first person I've heard say that you think LSD is less intense. I've always heard it was a cry baby shroom experience (you trip so much harder and longer than shrooms that you're crying to come down).

The fact that flashbacks (hopefully) aren't as coming for a first timer is uplifting, and I certainly would like to see some very good visuals. The most I've gotten out of caps (4 grams, holy shit) was seeing colors that weren't there actually emerge and swirl around out of nowhere and thinking a wall was breathing. Usually things just get a lot brighter, sometimes colorful, and shimmers. One of the reasons I'm so fond of shrooms is that I feel ULTRA connected with nature, and the environment, which is truly a divine feeling. Plus you're able to see things in a new light and different perspectives that can change the way you view some topics for the rest of your life. Incredible. So far it sounds to me that acid is more of a visual thing. Now tell me if I'm wrong, but my perspective is: take acid, see shit and get freaked out. Take caps: connect with nature, bring out your inner voice, let your body fuse with the world. I'll probably try LSD but I doubt I'll like it, I'm just a shroom guy I guess.

It's true, listening to nature is one of the best things you can do. Being outside in the rain is MIND BLOWING. Listening to music while tripping caps is a good thing to do, but not marvelous.

There's something else I've been wondering, if you've tried Salvia before, what's that compared to an Alice trip.

I have never taken a large enough dose of LSD to actually "hallucinate," such as see things that completely are not there. When I say visuals, I mean objects breath, clouds will swirl around and morph, bunches of leaves in a tree will move in geometric fractal patterns, ripples in water will blow your mind, and other things like the grain in wood will swirl and move when you look at them.

I have done salvia a few times. Most of the times I tried it I only felt it a little bit, but one of the times I actually "got off." It was the most intense/weirdest/scariest drug experience of my life and I haven't done it since, but I'm thinking I might sometime. Salvia is nothing like LSD, at least not at the doses I've taken. Acid is much calmer, you won't forget your name on acid. Acid can freak you out a little bit, but it can also make you laugh your ass off, and weep for joy. It's really all about set and setting, but you probably already know that being an experienced mushroom user.

One thing you should know if you try it, it takes about 45 min-1.5 hours to kick in, and because it peaks right away the come-up is the most intense part. This graph from erowid shows it well. You will probably feel anxious, tense, and a little nervous/weird during the first hour of it, but once you get over the initial hump just go with the flow and you'll be groovin'.

I find acid more tense whereas I find mushrooms more relaxed and smooth. On the other hand... I find Mushrooms more of an authoritairian, hard teacher, whereas I find Acid to be a more relaxed teacher that allows you more free will. With that said I find Mushrooms a better Ego-solvent/Spiritual Healing I find Acid more of a psyche-exploratory, intelligence/intuition enhancing, extatic/aphrodesiac, creativity stimulating, self-development/help tool.

Originally Posted by dtc119

Honestly I need some good, down to earth not-going-to-fuck-with-you and will-remind-you-that-you're-tripping kinda people with me when I trip acid. 1/2 an 8th of shrooms and i'm set.
but on higher doses of shrooms or moderate doses of acid.. it seems to reoccur that when my brain starts to lose the logic/reasoning part, I freak the fuck out.

Sure. I can perfectly handle a mushroom trip. Or an Acid Trip. Or an Ayahuasca trip. Or a DMT trip. Nevertheless must I say that there's a limit to what I can take. If I take too much acid I notice I become VERY stimulated; Like totally charged with tense energy. My reasoning starts to become disturbed. I'm no longer aware of what I'm doing, cause my awareness is in a TOTALLY different "place" than my physical body. Such an experience would ONLY be responsible if it were under strict guidance of a sitter. Same goes for mushrooms. If the dose is too high the experience amounts in too much confusion and incoherent perception. Off course what dose is "small", "moderate", "high"and "too high" differs from person to person.

But I tend to take no more than 1 blotter acid for a trip. For social celebrations, artistic, meditative and oneirogenic purposes I like to take only 3/4th of a blotter or less.

Originally Posted by MrFantasy

I have never taken a large enough dose of LSD to actually "hallucinate," such as see things that completely are not there. When I say visuals, I mean objects breath, clouds will swirl around and morph, bunches of leaves in a tree will move in geometric fractal patterns, ripples in water will blow your mind, and other things like the grain in wood will swirl and move when you look at them.

I have done salvia a few times. Most of the times I tried it I only felt it a little bit, but one of the times I actually "got off." It was the most intense/weirdest/scariest drug experience of my life and I haven't done it since, but I'm thinking I might sometime. Salvia is nothing like LSD, at least not at the doses I've taken. Acid is much calmer, you won't forget your name on acid. Acid can freak you out a little bit, but it can also make you laugh your ass off, and weep for joy. It's really all about set and setting, but you probably already know that being an experienced mushroom user.

One thing you should know if you try it, it takes about 45 min-1.5 hours to kick in, and because it peaks right away the come-up is the most intense part. This graph from erowid shows it well. You will probably feel anxious, tense, and a little nervous/weird during the first hour of it, but once you get over the initial hump just go with the flow and you'll be groovin'.

In my previous post I wrote "coming" instead of "common" ha ha. Oops. Oh trust me I know exactly what you mean when you say you've never actually "hallucinated" while tripping Alice/ shrooms, as in you believe that someone or something you perceive with your ears or eyes is, in fact, 100% real. Only stuff like certain Alkaloids and DMT can do that shit. From all the posts and reviews about taking LSD that I have read, it sounds a lot like I've experienced "RELATIVELY" close to the same visual experience while on P. Cubensis.

I have done salvia also, but both times I tripped way to hard to enjoy it. I was just wondering if it was like acid, because if you would have said "yes" then that would definitely be a turn off. (Whew!)

Oh yes ha "set and setting, set and setting", the most common thing you'll ever here from a previous tripper.

I know about how long it takes, and I think I'm pretty accustomed to long periods of pre trip time. Is acid like caps in the sense that it creeps up on you and than smacks you in the face?

Hey, thanks for answering all of my questions BTW. This is more help than what I could have gotten from 20 other websites.

Nicely explained Mr.Fantasy,
This "Okayness" sounds like the state of surrender I spoke of earlier. It will show you all your flaws, but because the ego is removed for that level of introspection you can see all your flaws objectively: Without fear, Without Guilt, without Shame, Without Grief, Without Lies, Without Illusion and Without Earthly attatchment(note how these 7 "Sins" correspond to the 7 main Characteristics of the Ego that can block each of the 7 Chakra's From Root to Crown respectively)

Being stripped of Ego by a psychedelic or other medium results in all life energy flowing freely through you again. This is a state of Zen. Enlightenment. Complete stillness of Mind. Being ultimately open in the here and now and no longer being self-absorbed with thoughts, worries, feelings, memories concerning the past and the future.

This is how we are supposed to be.

Originally Posted by baccuss

I wasnt totally clear sorry...when I think / see blood and horror. It's only with my eyes closed. I have a great time with them open. Seeing music as colors...etc

Shrooms do reduce the ego into a oneness with the universe feeling.

Like all different parts of your body belong to you, so do all living creatures on this Earth belong to the massive Earth body. And so does all of existance.

Your Arm is no seperate entity, it is part of you. Your arm, together with the rest of your physical and nonphysical being, forms a whole that is "You". Similairly "You" are no seperate entity from the Earth of the planet you walk on and all other living beings on that planet. Together it forms a whole that is hard to name. It has been called many things, this "whole"; Allah, Buddha, Jahweh, Jah, Elohim, Addonai, Krishna, Eloh, Tao, God, Zeus, Charles Mingus..etc

The physical and spiritual/mental enviroment around you should be seen as an extention of "You". As an extention of your own, individual being. You are in no way even remotely seperate from the rest of existance. It is the Ego that limits our sense of "self" to our physical bodies and the therein present "individual" thoughts, experiences, beliefs and desires. If a psychedelic is taken, the Ego is dissolved and suddenly we have no problem at all seeing how there is no "border" whatsover between your "own" body, and the physical enviroment around you. And that there is no border either between your "own" consciousness and that of any other human, Fish, Insect, Tree, Mushroom or Plant.

All of existance is one being.

If human communities dissolve the Ego on a frequent basis with Entheogenic plants and substances, like Santo Daime's people do, then they would remain in this state of Egoless, blissfull, awakened consciousness and it would greatly benefit the social structure of their communities.

Cause the true enemy of mankind aren't manipulative Reptilians, Aliens, Mutants, Matrix Programmers, Jews, Gays or Communists like many wackos keep trying to have us believe.

The only True enemy of Mankind is it's Ego. It is the cause of all human miserable, destructive behaviour.

I must say that documentary has tempted me...

does anyone know about Lithium/ Lsd interactions ? ....it can be bad maybe fatal , my question for the smart people is , how long approx would one have to stop taking lithium to be in the trip safe zone ?

http://www.sirbacon.org/4membersonly/docellis.htm

'SWIM' is tripping and re-reading this thread. fun stuff

What is the point of taking LSD anyways? Kind of sounds like drinking plain decaf coffee.

Useless.

Originally Posted by Noogah

What is the point of taking LSD anyways? Kind of sounds like drinking plain decaf coffee.

Useless.

troll, or ignorant. You decide.

Originally Posted by Noogah

What is the point of taking LSD anyways? Kind of sounds like drinking plain decaf coffee.

Useless.

What do you mean? Have you ever taken it? Definitely not a drug I'd label as "decaf".

Originally Posted by BeenThere

What do you mean? Have you ever taken it? Definitely not a drug I'd label as "decaf".

I'm asking a question.

What's the use of LSD in the first place? I mean, besides nausea, logic impairment, increased blood pressure, possible acute depression and bad trips, etc.

Does it do anything...oh...I don't know...useful? Practical? Beneficial? Productive?

Originally Posted by Noogah

I'm asking a question.

What's the use of LSD in the first place? I mean, besides nausea, logic impairment, increased blood pressure, possible acute depression and bad trips, etc.

Does it do anything...oh...I don't know...useful? Practical? Beneficial? Productive?

Why don't you give it a try and find out? Certainly it has effects other than what you listed or supposed (assuming you've not tried it). Or are you just fishing with sarcasm?