Thread: F**k the Troops

Originally Posted by stonedape

A man who grasps after power is a fool. All you have done is assert that war is a necessary part of life. That's a pretty fucking big order, mind explaining? In what way is it necessary for men to dress up uniforms and shoot each other?

Not all societies have used war, therefore it is not necessary for humans to do this to survive. It may be unlikely that we will see an end to war, but that is because we have a very corrupt government.

Do you really think that because we have always fought wars we will always have to? This isn't the way things work. Their is no inherent human nature other than simply existing. We have a culture that glorifies war and thus we continue on fighting like morons.

I completely disagree with this statement. We both know that threats have been made. You assume that those who pose these threats can do what they say, I know they cannot.

Obviously not. Would you mind giving me some concrete reasons, like what would have happened if we didn't and why that would be so bad.

So you really think that we should police the world? I'm sorry, but I gotta now...


Do you not realize that you are projecting your violent attitude onto the world and then saying that violence is an inherent part of life? You only see violence as necessary because you yourself are violent.

"A man who grasps after power is a fool. All you have done is assert that war is a necessary part of life. That's a pretty fucking big order, mind explaining? In what way is it necessary for men to dress up uniforms and shoot each other?"

"A man who grasps after power is a fool." Is this you trying to crack an egg of wisdom on my head? Of all the things you have said thus far, this may be the most illogical. I assume you support Obama (forgive me if Im wrong.) Well, is he a fool for running for president? What would the world be like if the brightest and most qualified men thought it was foolish to vie for a position of power where they could truely be a positive influence? The world needs good leaders, but you say it is foolish for them to lead?

"Do you really think that because we have always fought wars we will always have to? This isn't the way things work. Their is no inherent human nature other than simply existing. We have a culture that glorifies war and thus we continue on fighting like morons."

Yes, no matter how many good natured people there are, you can't influence all of them. You can't control everyone. Somebody will inevitably take advatage of the worlds docile nature. I like to compare it to chimpanzees and bonobos. Both are closely related to humans, one is violent while the other is not. We are much more like the chimpanzees, the violent ones. We have psychological constructs that make us prone to violent behavior unless we can control our emotions.

"I completely disagree with this statement. We both know that threats have been made. You assume that those who pose these threats can do what they say, I know they cannot."



There are myriad others. You really disagree with that statement? They are like a gnat in our face, they will continue to bug us. If we don't swat it now, it has to potential to grow into an eagle with razor sharp talons. Or possibly a raging taradactle. It cannot simply be ignored.

"So you really think that we should police the world?"

I never said anything about policing the world.

"Do you not realize that you are projecting your violent attitude onto the world and then saying that violence is an inherent part of life? You only see violence as necessary because you yourself are violent."

You know nothing about me, so don't judge me. It isn't a violent attitude, it is a sensible attitude. Maybe I just have the rare ability to disconnect my emotions from my logical mind.

Originally Posted by cygnus

are you kidding me???

you are familiar with history's "greatest minds" because those were the people whose might suffocated any alternative perspective! you have an incredibly cross-eyed view of what the history of the human condition has been; you have no clue of what "great minds" came before because the cultures which cultivated them were marginalized by the military strategists, unscrupulous leaders and misguided troops who were so backward that their way of life was the only one they could imagine.

Are you kidding me? Do you have any idea what you are talking about? I think your perception of history has been skewed by your bleeding heart. What phantom minds are you talking about? Is there some kind of massive conspiracy to cover up any anti-military attitude? Because I could name a dozen famous scholars off the top of my head who spoke out against war. I don't think any of them actually thought they could end war all together. The fact that you call these men unscrupulous proves to me your ignorance. Some may have been, but the greatest are not.