Thread: F**k the Troops

Originally Posted by stonedape

Why? Why can't we just create a strong free society and flourish. If we do this then other countries will want similar things. The thing is we don't really have a free society, we have a consumer society and the Iraqi community relates that with democracy. If we want democracy to be preserved, maybe we ought to preserve for ourselves first. Our electoral process is in the toilet and we are running around playing cowboys and Indians.

It would be great if they were democratic, but how the hell does that warrant us going into their country and starting a war?

If all we wanted was to preserve democracy, then why did we start a war?

War is people in uniforms acting inhumanly. I consider the military to be a gang. They are people who use violence to achieve political goals. Why is it that a different morality applies to life in the great ritual of battle?

The way I see it, killing is killing. It's a very fucked up thing to do. People should avoid doing it unless they have to. There's no reason at all that we need to kill people in war. If these people realize that they don't need to go around killing people and still do it they are terrible people. If they don't then they are naive. If you think that killing in the name of freedom makes sense you are very naive in my opinion.

"War is people in uniforms acting inhumanly. I consider the military to be a gang. They are people who use violence to achieve political goals. Why is it that a different morality applies to life in the great ritual of battle?"

That is the way it has worked for the entire duration of human civilization. Some of histories greatest minds were military leaders, do you honestly think you are better than those men? Don't you think they would have protested war if they thought it was avoidable? There are men who devote their life to studying the philosophy and psychology of war, and they don't presume that war can be ended. There is a separate morality for war, it is a necessary evil. It is something that is built into human psychology, it is something that cannot be overcome by consciousness. There are too many people. If all countries were to lay down arms this very moment, someone, somewhere would eventually take advantage of the situation. A smart man knows this, which is why he would never give up his power in the name of some pipe dream.

"The way I see it, killing is killing. It's a very fucked up thing to do. People should avoid doing it unless they have to. There's no reason at all that we need to kill people in war. If these people realize that they don't need to go around killing people and still do it they are terrible people. If they don't then they are naive. If you think that killing in the name of freedom makes sense you are very naive in my opinion."

Yes, we should avoid killing unless we have to. We have very strict rules of engagement, so strict in fact that they endanger the lives of our soldiers. Our rules of engagement are a tactical hinderance that serve no other purpose than to appease people like you. These rules commonly state that we are not allowed to fire unless fired upon. There are cases where the enemy is standing in the open, and we know its the enemy, and we know they are gathering intelligence for the best way to kill us, but we can't do anything about it. The killing in Iraq is initiated by the insurgents, it is therefore necessary for us to kill them. We can't walk away and let these people be, because they WILL follow us home. You and I both know that they won't give up until we either conform to their standards or cease to exist, whichever comes first. Can you not see the necessity of this conflict? Now I will submit that maybe it didn't need to take place in Iraq in particular, but we can't go back in time. I am not crazy enough to believe Islamofacists are going to take over our country, but I'll be damned if Im going to sit around and watch their attacks happen. Where is the justice in that? Maybe if we ignore them they'll go away right?