Originally Posted by lucidmax15895
I believe in those rights. I think that people should have a freedom to chose. But I think that insulting Muhammad is wrong. I believe in a peaceful, non-racist community, and I don't tolerate ANY kind of racism, whether it is targeted towards Muslims or not. Live, and let live. Do you agree?
I agree. But, I also agree that I have a right to draw and say what I want. I think that people who are offended by what I say and draw can tune me out and not give a shit...in other words, let me live while they go about living. I'm not a racist, a bigot, or prejudiced, and I'm sorry if you think I am if I insult Mohammad, but I can and WILL mock him if I so choose. Know that I mean nobody any harm, and I apologize if it is interpreted as such, but...get over it.
Originally Posted by lucidmax15895
Funny how you can say that so easily. I don't know how you can tolerate people who make fun of things others hold sacred. How very insulting. And you ask why Muslims get so enraged. Would you hold silent if someone thoroughly insulted and made fun of your parents? Or someone else for whom you have the utmost respect? No. In the same way, it is highly agonizing for Muslims to see their Prophet insulted in such a way. Please understand that.
I, on the other hand, am against ANY kind of mockery or destructive criticism against ANY one, not only Muslims. People have to learn to respect others' beliefs.
I respect your beliefs. You can believe whatever the hell you want to believe. I'm just not going to let your ideology impinge on my freedom of expression. You can say whatever you want about my parents or anyone else. That's your freedom to express yourself. You can call my mom a raging whore for all I care. It doesn't matter. You aren't harming me, you aren't stepping on my rights. I don't care.
Originally Posted by lucidmax15895
@ Universal Mind : Well, I see your point. I would disagree that "it has been etched into by brain", though, because it is something I am very consciously doing, not because of what I have been taught. I appreciate it that you are considering my views as well. But you know, not all people are like you. You make a joke, but the majority openly INSULT us, not as something humorous. It is outright discrimination and hatred towards Muslims. I am sure you are aware of the "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day" atrocity that took place. While I don't mind jokes without any ill intent behind them that much, I do get furious upon those who do not make "jokes", rather, seek to create even more friction and anger between us.
I thought Draw Mohammad Day was hilarious. Again, it isn't an act of malicious intent...it was an act in mockery of some of the silly, arbitrary things in the Islam religion. Every religion has some element of silliness. Christianity is downright ridiculous on many levels...like, for example, how they choose to enforce the "homosexuality is an abomination" thing but casually overlook everything else in the bible about stoning blasphemers to death and whatnot. Religion itself was the target; not any particular individual or group of individuals.
People have to learn to laugh at themselves and what they believe in. When you can't laugh, you lose it. You just stop functioning. You go insane. Over the centuries, nearly everything has been placed in the scope of comedians. Why not religion? Catholicism is an easy target, and has been making excellent fodder for comedians. Why should Islam be covered in bubble wrap and handled like a delicate piece of china? Why should it be immune? Because some people may get offended? A poor reason. Religion has to be challenged. It has to be criticized and its shortcomings made apparent.
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
Atheism is catching on big time in the United States. Christians have lost their religion here in mass numbers, and it has been happening to European Christians in large numbers too. I wonder if it will ever start happening on a mass level with European Muslims.
Yay for atheism! ^_^ I believe the 2000 census indicated that 16 to 17 percent of the population is atheist, which is a staggeringly large minority.
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