Thread: Why do you think DC's are real?

I treat them as real so they can't do anything out of the ordinary... Even though I know they aren't. =3

Most of my Dcs seem as though they are in fact real, so I typically act as if they are. In general I don't believe Dcs are real, but this is not always the case for me.One in awhile I meet exceptionally intelligent and life-like Dcs that I assume may be some sort of spiritual entity or something like that, but they could perhaps just simply be a figment of my imagination.

Personally I almost always have people in my dreams that I know in real life or have met. They will be exactly like them almost like there is a connection between us in real life, or maybe we are going through the same things in life and sub-consciously know it. I'm not sure how that works but its interesting. So my DC's are real in at least one sense if not both.

I've done a good amount of reality checking against DCs, and they are my chief ways of detecting I'm dreaming.

From what I've gathered, DCs are formless but driven by their own personalities. So although a DC may appear to look and sound like someone you know, their behavior will be asymetric to that person.

DCs do seem to have their own intelligence, yet it just seems like they are hiding what they know and use that hidden knowledge to their advantage.

DCs have no moral bounds. They can do anything amorally to you without repercussions. They are like psychopaths, completely morally uninhibited.

DCs also will disappear when challenged, so if there is someone you don't like, all it takes is a non-physical challenge to make that DC disppear or change form.

DCs are brainless morons that don't deserve a moment of your attention.

If you want to prove their reality, just ignore them and they will cease to exist. Next time something is trying to eat you, just turn your back on it, walk away, and focus on something else.

An easy way to make puppets of your DCs is to use strong emotions. Go from angry, to sad, to happy, and watch how their behavior changes in response to your emotions.

They are just in your mind. They are only good for killing, sexing, talking to, etc.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

DCs are brainless morons that don't deserve a moment of your attention.

If you want to prove their reality, just ignore them and they will cease to exist. Next time something is trying to eat you, just turn your back on it, walk away, and focus on something else.

An easy way to make puppets of your DCs is to use strong emotions. Go from angry, to sad, to happy, and watch how their behavior changes in response to your emotions.

That sounds like it could be fun. I'm defineatly gonna try that one day. I've never even thought about how thier reactions would be like until you said that.

What if you are a DC insides someones dream?

I see DC's basically like NPC's in an RPG. They are the illusory creations of your own mind. The come into existance when your dream starts and they cease to exist when the dream ends. These DC's have no individual thoughts or feelings, they behave just as you (the dreamer) want them to just like the inanimate portions of your dream world.

The main problem with doing whatever you feel like to a DC is if it is not actually a DC. It could be another dreamer visiting you (if you believe in shared dreaming) or an IB visiting you. Use some technique to make sure it is just a DC (try to control it in some manner) or you might be taking your frustrations out on an IB who wants to be a spirit guide to you!

There is also some debate as to whether a DC that stays around for an extended length of time (see WakingNomad's DC's outside his temple on the moon) that they might evolve into something more than a DC. But that wouldn't be the case for the average DC in most dreams.

Originally Posted by Loaf

What if you are a DC insides someones dream?

If you are in someone else's dream you are not a DC, you are a real person.

Originally Posted by Raven Knight

If you are in someone else's dream you are not a DC, you are a real person.

But we don't know if DCs are real people. We assume they are just fake characters. Maybe they always disappear because they are people are they have better things to do then wait for your attention. People often say DCs say stupid things, but what they are saying is often logical to the dream setting. For instance a DC told me that the people in my house had sausages worth thousands of dollars. As far as the dream world is concerned, that was true.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

DCs are brainless morons that don't deserve a moment of your attention.

If you want to prove their reality, just ignore them and they will cease to exist. Next time something is trying to eat you, just turn your back on it, walk away, and focus on something else.

An easy way to make puppets of your DCs is to use strong emotions. Go from angry, to sad, to happy, and watch how their behavior changes in response to your emotions.

The thought of you doing that made me crack up.

Originally Posted by Loaf

But we don't know if DCs are real people. We assume they are just fake characters. Maybe they always disappear because they are people are they have better things to do then wait for your attention. People often say DCs say stupid things, but what they are saying is often logical to the dream setting. For instance a DC told me that the people in my house had sausages worth thousands of dollars. As far as the dream world is concerned, that was true.

A real person will not disappear if you ignore them. A DC will.

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

A real person will not disappear if you ignore them.

Well I certainly wouldn't hang around long.

If you make a point to be kind to your DCs your subconscious mind will manifest ways to reward you. At least, that's what I've discovered. So I treat all my DCs with respect, not because I think they are real, but because they are part of me...my subconscious...and that deserves respect as well, doesn't it?

Originally Posted by The Cusp

DCs are brainless morons that don't deserve a moment of your attention.

If you want to prove their reality, just ignore them and they will cease to exist. Next time something is trying to eat you, just turn your back on it, walk away, and focus on something else.

An easy way to make puppets of your DCs is to use strong emotions. Go from angry, to sad, to happy, and watch how their behavior changes in response to your emotions.

Yes, a lot of DC's act like they have the IQ of a rock. On the other hand you might want to pay some attention to them. They were created by your own subconscious and thus might a method for your subconscious to tell your conscious mind important things you need to know!

Originally Posted by Aquanina

If you make a point to be kind to your DCs your subconscious mind will manifest ways to reward you. At least, that's what I've discovered. So I treat all my DCs with respect, not because I think they are real, but because they are part of me...my subconscious...and that deserves respect as well, doesn't it?

You have a good point. I think a DC often manifests in order for your subconscious mind to tell your conscious mind something important. And if you treat everyone in your dreams with respect then you won't have to think about if you're attacking a DC or a real person.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

If you make a point to be kind to your DCs your subconscious mind will manifest ways to reward you. At least, that's what I've discovered. So I treat all my DCs with respect, not because I think they are real, but because they are part of me...my subconscious...and that deserves respect as well, doesn't it?

yeah, i agree. i'd rather make all of my DCs enlightened than kill them all... i try to be non-violent in dreams (when i'm really in control) and i think non-corporeal entities come up once in a while, so i'd like to make friends . i also think you accumulate karma in dreams regardless of whether or not it's 'real'.

I don't have the heart to kill a DC luckily. I hate doing it during lucidity because they act like real people, look like real people, and have the most terrible expressions when you hurt them.

Originally Posted by Loaf

I don't have the heart to kill a DC luckily. I hate doing it during lucidity because they act like real people, look like real people, and have the most terrible expressions when you hurt them.

They respond like real people would. Fear, pain, etc. Even if they are illusions, it seems it would take a bit of a twisted mind to enjoy hurting them.

Originally Posted by Raven Knight

They respond like real people would. Fear, pain, etc. Even if they are illusions, it seems it would take a bit of a twisted mind to enjoy hurting them.

I agree.

If there is shared dreaming, or non-corporeal entities (like ghosts, "spirit guides") then there is no way to determine their actions to be unlike your average DC. Formlessness works both ways, I can be whatever I want in a dream, maybe DCs are the same?

Sometimes in dreams everything seems to have consciousness, even inanimate objects. It may be that all actions bring negative karma if all things prefer their own static existence.

Originally Posted by Raven Knight

They respond like real people would. Fear, pain, etc. Even if they are illusions, it seems it would take a bit of a twisted mind to enjoy hurting them.

I completely agree with this. I would not even consider killing off a DC because I would never be willing to kill a real person unless it was 100% necessary, for instance if they were trying to kill me. Many dreams are very realistic and killing and violence are non-sensical in a world where no one can really get hurt or actually die.

Like I stated before my DCs are almost always someone I know personally and that adds on to the fact that I would not want to kill or hurt them. My dearest friends and my worst enemies have been in dreams. My enemies mainly get ignored, and I focus on better fragments of the dream.

Violence is no justifiable even in a dream. (At least in my opinion)

This is really interesting because I get the feeling that some of them are real and others are just illusions. I am going to try treating them as if they are all enlightened and have something for me to learn and see if I get a better results.

ive only had arround 5lucid dreams but there have been some who act like DCs but there was this one guy he could fly and spawn and he just started a fight with me he seemed like a real person ive never seen a DC have powers to fly with me let alone fly at me shooting a gun he pulled out of nowhere

What if it turns out its an entity, like your DG? I have done a few harsh things to DCs but stopped soon after learning how to LD. Maybe thats why every time I try to summon a DG I get sent into a spiral of terror and end up in a nightmare. 0_0