Thread: Dream time against this worlds time.

Sounds like a hard mission but most definitely possible. It would be hard to set up where you are going to wake up after you go to bed again. Not to mention how difficult it would be to stay locked in a dream for a full days worth of activities. But the cool thing about dreams is that a full dream day could go by in just 5 minutes worth of real time.

I suggest walking through a door into a different life though. In my experiences when I go to bed in a dream while lucid or just simply dreaming I am either not lucid anymore or I stop dreaming.

Originally Posted by Dre4m3r

Sounds like a hard mission but most definitely possible. It would be hard to set up where you are going to wake up after you go to bed again. Not to mention how difficult it would be to stay locked in a dream for a full days worth of activities. But the cool thing about dreams is that a full dream day could go by in just 5 minutes worth of real time.

I suggest walking through a door into a different life though. In my experiences when I go to bed in a dream while lucid or just simply dreaming I am either not lucid anymore or I stop dreaming.

I have some methods to allow sleeping in the dream to work how I want it. If you tell the dream how you want it to work it will. It is good to know dreams allow so much time.

If you have made it work before then I see no problem with accomplishing your goal. I'm not sure if there is a way to test how long dream time is compared to real life time but that's just one of the many cool mysteries about dreaming. Almost anything is possible.

Originally Posted by Dre4m3r

If you have made it work before then I see no problem with accomplishing your goal. I'm not sure if there is a way to test how long dream time is compared to real life time but that's just one of the many cool mysteries about dreaming. Almost anything is possible.

I have not tested it before, I just know from my only lucid dream for quite and simple logic, that your mind is your canvas. If you want to imagine something you can. And that principle applies to dreams. I was only curious as to how quickly a human brain could work. And I guess in a dream it doesn't actually have to take information from your sensory parts, allowing it to work faster as well. And now that I have something more to strive for, I believe lucid dreams will come easier.

Good luck. Post your results

Of course, I am always glad to experiment and help others with my findings.

Originally Posted by Dre4m3r

But the cool thing about dreams is that a full dream day could go by in just 5 minutes worth of real time.

This is actually false. Studies have shown that dream time is nearly identical to waking time. It is possible to go through a "complete" day by exploiting time dilation and false memories. That is to say, rather than going through every single motion of a regular day, you hit the key points and leave your mind to fill in the gaps.

Originally Posted by Mario92

This is actually false. Studies have shown that dream time is nearly identical to waking time. It is possible to go through a "complete" day by exploiting time dilation and false memories. That is to say, rather than going through every single motion of a regular day, you hit the key points and leave your mind to fill in the gaps.

True or false, right on the spot right now, you can think of something in extreme hyperspeed, like a video or something, it just zooms across your mind. When you go over what went by in your mind at normal speed it can all fit a proper story nicely, and everything still fits together so that if you make that go by in hyperspeed, it is the same. Well, at least for me it is true. Now, when awake we don't even use the full potential of our brains. When awake our brain needs to take information from our eyes, ears, etcetera and process it so it makes sense. But when we are dreaming it doesn't need to take in any information, and it doesn't need to process much of it because it already knows what it is for. Just there we eliminated quite a bit things the brain needs to do, giving it more thinking power to work faster.

Those studies don't show that waking time is the same as dream time, they show that it CAN be the same. Our brains are capable of working at many many many times faster speeds than we do during the day. When asleep that true power is allowed.

Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT

True or false, right on the spot right now, you can think of something in extreme hyperspeed, like a video or something, it just zooms across your mind. When you go over what went by in your mind at normal speed it can all fit a proper story nicely, and everything still fits together so that if you make that go by in hyperspeed, it is the same. Well, at least for me it is true.

And how much of that was recalling every bit of dialogue, every tiny detail, and NOT condensing bits down into their relative importance? Most people can recall the big things that happen. They get the general gist. But playing something in "hyperspeed" and then rewinding and thinking about it, there are going to be differences for the average person.

Now, when awake we don't even use the full potential of our brains. When awake our brain needs to take information from our eyes, ears, etcetera and process it so it makes sense. But when we are dreaming it doesn't need to take in any information, and it doesn't need to process much of it because it already knows what it is for. Just there we eliminated quite a bit things the brain needs to do, giving it more thinking power to work faster.

Because, you know, interpreting senses is sooo much more labor intensive than making them up on the fly. And brains apparently aren't subject to the maximum speed of chemical reactions when asleep. And apparently any part of the brain can substitute for any other part. Remind me why this isn't bullshit again, preferably with some scientific sources?

Those studies don't show that waking time is the same as dream time, they show that it CAN be the same. Our brains are capable of working at many many many times faster speeds than we do during the day. When asleep that true power is allowed.

Uh...right...back to the whole chemical reactions thing. To send a neural impulse, a nerve cell generates an action potential. That potential travels down the length of the axon, and propagates by absorbing sodium ions, then kicking out potassium ions to reset the membrane potential. It then pumps the sodium back outside the cell and reabsorbs the potassium. All of this takes a few milliseconds just to recharge any given spot on a membrane. During this time, no other nerve impulse will register. This isn't even including neurotransmitters and other fun things. In other words, your brain has a physical limit. Its perception of time can vary (read: time dilation), but it operates at a fixed maximum speed.

And no, sleeping does not significantly free up brain space to be put to other uses. Let's say you aren't moving much, so your brain doesn't need those cells. What happens to those cells? Nothing. They have a designated purpose. They can't just suddenly hop in and boost brain power. Not doing math problems isn't going to make your brain visualize scenery any faster.

When people say you only use 10% of your brain when you're awake (which is bullshit, by the way), they don't mean you're using 1/10th of your maximum conscious thinking power. At any given time, there are parts of your brain at rest. They aren't doing much because their designated functions aren't required at that time. So say your brain doesn't have to contend with visual reception and interpretation. Except it does, you just aren't aware of it. Even when sleeping, it devotes resources to all 5 senses. Otherwise, alarms wouldn't get you up. It isn't that your brain suddenly starts working when your alarm goes off...it always has processes monitoring your environment. Alright, so let's hypothetically assume the brain doesn't devote any processes to environmental awareness when sleeping, or else extremely minimal ones. So what? Those processes not being used, as I've demonstrated, don't jump in and start processing something entirely different. No part of your brain does that.

Q.E.D. you're wrong.

Mario92, there's a dude somewhere (can't remember where or who) but basically they're using him for experiments with this millions worth piece of machinery/equipment that's recording his dreams. Basically, in about 10-12 hours, he'll have dreamed several months worth of dream time. He does this every night. Upon waking, he often finds himself wondering where he is (because in the dream he was in a hotel or w/e) and although he can remember what happened the night before clearly, he'll think that it happened months ago.

So, judging by that, it's pretty safe to assume waking time isn't the same as dream time?

Originally Posted by LucidJuggalo

Mario92, there's a dude somewhere (can't remember where or who) but basically they're using him for experiments with this millions worth piece of machinery/equipment that's recording his dreams. Basically, in about 10-12 hours, he'll have dreamed several months worth of dream time. He does this every night. Upon waking, he often finds himself wondering where he is (because in the dream he was in a hotel or w/e) and although he can remember what happened the night before clearly, he'll think that it happened months ago.

So, judging by that, it's pretty safe to assume waking time isn't the same as dream time?

First, I'm going to require a source to validate that statement. Second, this is certainly not how it works for the vast majority of people. Third, he's still probably using some form of time dilation, or else has a mind that processes memory differently. At any rate, assuming this person exists, he is a clear exception to the rule.

Originally Posted by Mario92

At any rate, assuming this person exists, he is a clear exception to the rule.

The rule you made up?

Originally Posted by Jay12341235

The rule you made up?

Unless you can show me that the average person's brain a) is significantly more active during dreams than during dreamless sleep/waking life, indicating more "processing power" is being used, b) that any section of the brain is interchangeable with any other, and c) that it is possible to double, triple, or otherwise significantly increase the speed of thought, and that this occurs during sleep, I didn't make it up.

Originally Posted by Mario92

Unless you can show me that the average person's brain a) is significantly more active during dreams than during dreamless sleep/waking life, indicating more "processing power" is being used, b) that any section of the brain is interchangeable with any other, and c) that it is possible to double, triple, or otherwise significantly increase the speed of thought, and that this occurs during sleep, I didn't make it up.

Show me a link telling how humans perceive time in 'waking life' and what determines the speed of it

Originally Posted by Jay12341235

Show me a link telling how humans perceive time in 'waking life' and what determines the speed of it

Time perception differs from real-time brain activity. Altering time perception is called time dilation, which I've already stated is possible. An example would be skipping over mundane events of the day and letting your brain fill in the details in its own time, giving you the impression you experienced a full day or week when in reality you spent maybe 5 minutes doing any actual dreaming.

"At any rate, assuming this person exists, he is a clear exception to the rule."
Or an attention seeking liar.
Really, All we have is one person's word on stuff like this. The reality is many people simply want to believe it.
And now we got this movie "Limitless" to perpetuate the 10 percent myth further.

Originally Posted by Mario92

Time perception differs from real-time brain activity. Altering time perception is called time dilation, which I've already stated is possible. An example would be skipping over mundane events of the day and letting your brain fill in the details in its own time, giving you the impression you experienced a full day or week when in reality you spent maybe 5 minutes doing any actual dreaming.

I beileve it's possible also.

Whether your brain fills it in with nonesense events or not (because I have not tried time dialation yet), I still think it's interesting. The thought of being in a lucid dream for what felt like 'weeks' or longer would surely be a fantastic experience.

I've read many accounts of people having dreams that feel much longer than they actually were. I can't attest to the amount of realism that they had (because I wasn't in them) but if it felt like days, maybe it's still worth it to give it a try.

To the OP, you should try some time dialation techniques. Walk through a 'door' way that turns seconds into hours or something similar. I wish I could help you further with something I've tested myself, or at least others, but there aren't many techniques around for this type of thing that I've seen but I'd give this a shot if nothing else. Using dream archetypes will help you as well! There's a fantastic thread on that by the way somewhere in the dream control section I believe.

Originally Posted by Artie J

"At any rate, assuming this person exists, he is a clear exception to the rule."
Or an attention seeking liar.
Really, All we have is one person's word on stuff like this. The reality is many people simply want to believe it.
And now we got this movie "Limitless" to perpetuate the 10 percent myth further.

I don't have a problem with altering the way time is perceived to make it 'seem' longer or faster. The truth is, you are going at one speed ( real life speed) but it may not FEEL that way.

As for attention seeking liars, I'm not saying this person is a god, but at least trustworthy:

Quoted from Aquaninia [the moderator]

Now, being asleep for 4 hours and saying you had a lucid dream for 4 hours is entirely possible...you see...this does not violate the laws of space/time. Being asleep for a few hours and saying you were lucid for a hundred years...this is obviously not plausible and must be the result of altered perception of dream time. I once wanted to experience something like this and while I was lucid I decided that I would stay there for as long as I could and extend the dream time. It felt like I was there for a period of a few weeks, until I was approached by a DC and instructed to wake up for my own good. I would never go around claiming to have had a lucid dream that actually lasted weeks though. I was only asleep for a few hours...so unless lucid dreamers travel back in time upon waking up...no one is having hundred year long dreams.

Originally Posted by Mario92

First, I'm going to require a source to validate that statement. Second, this is certainly not how it works for the vast majority of people. Third, he's still probably using some form of time dilation, or else has a mind that processes memory differently. At any rate, assuming this person exists, he is a clear exception to the rule.

I shall do my best to find a proper source for this and report back once I do. Whether you want to believe it or not though, he does exist. It's not time dilation. He does this non-lucid.

I remember a thread (name was something like "extremely odd lucid ability") in which OP stated that he could experience almost an infinite amount of dreamtime, and he explained how he got achieved this ability. The gist of it was that everytime he got lucid, he would change the scenery to an empty space, so nothing would distract him. Then, he made a big digital clock, counting seconds. He would try to look at the clock as long as possible, always bringing back the amount of time he was in there to reality and note it down.
Although I have to agree with Mario92 on all points he stated, I still think it is possible to have more dreamtime. If it is only time dilation, then so be it, it doesn't matter anyway if you think you experienced more time.

Well, there is no apparent speed of a dream's time. Remember, anything is possible in a dream. In other words, it MAY be possible to control a dream's length. It's something Mr. Laberge himself has experimented. I've wanted to try it myself, but, I've been busy with doing all twelve tasks of the year. When I get the opportunity, I'll give it shot and post my results.

Isn't time dialation sort of like a voice auto tuner. When u sing/talk into it u set what tone u want it to go to, and it fills in the spaces in your voice with an artificial voice, giving the illusion that the original voice is singing in tune. In a dream u might 'live' certain events and our brain adds in extra parts that we only 'remember' when we wake up, giving the illusion that you were in a dream for, say 24 hours??

Originally Posted by Littleshogunn

Isn't time dialation sort of like a voice auto tuner. When u sing/talk into it u set what tone u want it to go to, and it fills in the spaces in your voice with an artificial voice, giving the illusion that the original voice is singing in tune. In a dream u might 'live' certain events and our brain adds in extra parts that we only 'remember' when we wake up, giving the illusion that you were in a dream for, say 24 hours??

Yes, that's the idea of it.

Now, when awake we don't even use the full potential of our brains. When awake our brain needs to take information from our eyes, ears, etcetera and process it so it makes sense. But when we are dreaming it doesn't need to take in any information, and it doesn't need to process much of it because it already knows what it is for. Just there we eliminated quite a bit things the brain needs to do, giving it more thinking power to work faster.

Sorry for quoting part of a post from far back in the argument, but it annoys me when people utilize this fallacy as part of their argument: 10% of brain myth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also, it is worth noting that dreams can undoubtedly create a convincing illusion of having lasted much longer than they really did. False memories are big components of dream logic.

Edit: Just wanted to make sure I am understood. I am not saying that truly extending perceived time is impossible, I am just pointing out that it is effectively impossible to tell the difference between a convincing illusion and actually dilation of perceived time. I might have misunderstood what you were saying about the brain, and I know you probably weren't referring specifically to the 10% myth, but it seems relevant whenever someone starts talking about us "unlocking the potential of our brains".

Mental time is different from physical time.

To be more clear, time is an illusion and we are actually all on our own clock. I'm quite aggravated to see nay-sayers in this thread who dare say we are all on the same clock, because that couldn't be further from the truth. I encourage these people to look into quantum physics and Albert Einstein's theory of relativity.

It's not just time dilation, the whole world consists of different times. It's just an illusion, and the mind can alter time.

-Will1