Thread: Personal Experience List Of Similar Characteristics Between Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming

Originally Posted by SystemsLock

Lucid dreaming is already having a hard enough time in the scientific community. Do we really have to attach "paranormal" phenomenon to it? Are we going to start talking about aliens and power crystals now?

All discussion of such belong in the Beyond Dreaming section. So the rest of us don't have to listen to your crap. Thank you!

AP directly relates to lucid dreaming, and you can see that by looking at the similarities. These are experienced lucid dreamers and if they say they have experienced something outside of lucid dreaming I believe them. You don't have to accept that it's a paranormal or spiritual thing. Think of it this way AP could be THE most advanced form of lucid dreaming around, if you can't master it / comprehend it then that's your problem. Everyone has different views on it.

What jaydub said is interesting also, again it verifies a 'super awareness' or extreme control over the experience/dream.

And on what dreamcatcher said, maybe you are creating the full experience leaving nothing for your mind to alter or distort. Seems like there's less mystery to a AP than a lucid dream, doors opening for you automatically (no hesitation, no 'lag'), automatically floating/flying instead of forcing it or having to create that part of the dream first. I think it comes down to clarity, and possibly a different state of consciousness or being.

Originally Posted by Reclypso

AP directly relates to lucid dreaming, and you can see that by looking at the similarities. These are experienced lucid dreamers and if they say they have experienced something outside of lucid dreaming I believe them. You don't have to accept that it's a paranormal or spiritual thing. Think of it this way AP could be THE most advanced form of lucid dreaming around, if you can't master it / comprehend it then that's your problem. Everyone has different views on it.

What jaydub said is interesting also, again it verifies a 'super awareness' or extreme control over the experience/dream.

And on what dreamcatcher said, maybe you are creating the full experience leaving nothing for your mind to alter or distort. Seems like there's less mystery to a AP than a lucid dream, doors opening for you automatically (no hesitation, no 'lag'), automatically floating/flying instead of forcing it or having to create that part of the dream first. I think it comes down to clarity, and possibly a different state of consciousness or being.

I understand that. However, Astral Projection is, at the very least, unproven. Lucid dreaming on the other hand, is proven and scientifically recognized. I'll bet the people on the NASA forums don't have to deal with UFO sightings.

And I quote:

Astral Projection is the act of leaving your body and projecting your mind onto the astral plane. This is not officially recognized by the Dreamviews staff, due to its questionable scientific nature

But all that is beside the point. This discussion belongs in the Beyond Dreaming section. Just the same as if you wrote a tutorial on attaining lucidity, I would tell you to go put it in the Attaining Lucidity section. Because that's what sections are for.

Originally Posted by Reclypso

AP directly relates to lucid dreaming, and you can see that by looking at the similarities. These are experienced lucid dreamers and if they say they have experienced something outside of lucid dreaming I believe them. You don't have to accept that it's a paranormal or spiritual thing. Think of it this way AP could be THE most advanced form of lucid dreaming around, if you can't master it / comprehend it then that's your problem. Everyone has different views on it.

What jaydub said is interesting also, again it verifies a 'super awareness' or extreme control over the experience/dream.

And on what dreamcatcher said, maybe you are creating the full experience leaving nothing for your mind to alter or distort. Seems like there's less mystery to a AP than a lucid dream, doors opening for you automatically (no hesitation, no 'lag'), automatically floating/flying instead of forcing it or having to create that part of the dream first. I think it comes down to clarity, and possibly a different state of consciousness or being.

Sorry but... You havent even had any lucid dreams... How can you be backing up AP when you cant even back up lucid dreaming?

Originally Posted by dakotahnok

Sorry but... You havent even had any lucid dreams... How can you be backing up AP when you cant even back up lucid dreaming?

I know a lot more than most about them, just by reading a bunch of threads and reading all of the wiki's and definitions I know as much as you do The experience itself isn't anything complicated it's just being aware in a dream and controlling it, I've also had one semi lucid dream but the only thing I could get to work was teleporting. (I smoked before bed) Oh I also didn't know I needed anything to back up lucid dreams? Isn't it experimentally proven, or are you just saying your delusional and making all of this up

+ I've helped many people with lucid questions and experiences and they seem to find it useful

Originally Posted by Reclypso

I know a lot more than most about them, just by reading a bunch of threads and reading all of the wiki's and definitions I know as much as you do The experience itself isn't anything complicated it's just being aware in a dream and controlling it, I've also had one semi lucid dream but the only thing I could get to work was teleporting. (I smoked before bed) Oh I also didn't know I needed anything to back up lucid dreams? Isn't it experimentally proven, or are you just saying your delusional and making all of this up

+ I've helped many people with lucid questions and experiences and they seem to find it useful

I'm so sorry for posting that. I was in a terrible mood.