Thread: Personal Experience List Of Similar Characteristics Between Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming

Lots of similarities, sure they aren't the same thing. You could just be more aware while having an 'AP'

And what are the differences I'd like to know?

Funny u brought up awareness because this is the only difference I can differentiate between the two. Not in the sense of abilities because what I have done during ap directly parallels what I have done during ld thus my list. The difference I have notice is the speed of which I am aware at the onset of the experience. When I wake to a vibration feeling or the time i was pulled out of my bed and started flying over my neighborhood I am immediately aware of what's going on it's instant every single time and it's as if I'm awake doing things I couldn't normally do when my physical body is active. Before LD (dream) I don't know necessarily what's happening right a way I forget my place. My theory is that one is closer to the physical world at onset of experience and the other is farther away and deeper with in the astral at onset. When i obe and astral project i either see myself sleeping or i feel myself sleeping while exploring. During a lucid dream I only understand where my earthly body is I don't feel it or see it. Hope this helps. Thanx for stopping by. namaste.

Well I'm glad I said something slightly on target I don't know much about AP, probably because not a lot of people write about it or just shake it off as a normal LD. But I see what you're saying about the connection to your body, maybe these AP are happening in a different type of sleep period instead of REM it could be the edge of REM or NREM itself. Since your body releases the paralyzing chemicals while in SP maybe your body is releasing less thus creating more self awareness in the real world while in a dream. I found out about AP a long time ago before I even knew Lucid dreaming even existed, and as I recall to 'create' one of these experiences you need to picture your astral body outside of your physical body? It really helps that you explained the difference in such detail and you've had them before, I feel like I understand where your coming from now and have little doubt that they don't exist.

I've never had any lucids before, or AP so if I sound ridiculous I'm sorry But besides the scientific view I believe they exist in a spiritual manner also, just not in all cases like people like to believe.

Lucid dreaming is already having a hard enough time in the scientific community. Do we really have to attach "paranormal" phenomenon to it? Are we going to start talking about aliens and power crystals now?

All discussion of such belong in the Beyond Dreaming section. So the rest of us don't have to listen to your crap. Thank you!

This is just my experience.

I'm still in single digits with astral projection and just reached the teens with LD's.

The only similarity for me so far has been sleep paralysis. I get lucids from from DILD's but have had great WILDs. I usually drift/fall from SP to WILDs. AP, i get the vibrations, and then work myself out of my body/separate.

In AP's i float/swim through the air and doors automatically open for me.
In LD's, i'm on foot and when i fly, it's a big rush

Originally Posted by Reclypso

maybe these AP are happening in a different type of sleep period instead of REM it could be the edge of REM or NREM itself.

What you said resonates with my ap experiences in that when i reflect on the experience i really dont remember any previous dream scenes, just me laying on my back in a black void unconscious, and then becoming conscious once i wake up to vibrations with in my room. For me Ap wasnt hard to learn i just listen to the crazy person that told me about it, researched it ( first book William bullman Adventures of the outter Body) and then did a technique, first time i out i woke up to subtle vibrations. From there i thought the crazy person to not be so crazy and the claims valid which push me to expore it further. Then lucid dreaming came along as a side effect i didnt study it it just happen for me, and to be honest i use to think it was the lesser of the two, ap real and lucid dreaming not. which was far from my own personal truth thus the list. At the end of the day your experience is what validates things for you and u should only rely on that, which is what i have done.

What is this? Porous walls

Originally Posted by SystemsLock

Lucid dreaming is already having a hard enough time in the scientific community. Do we really have to attach "paranormal" phenomenon to it? Are we going to start talking about aliens and power crystals now?

All discussion of such belong in the Beyond Dreaming section. So the rest of us don't have to listen to your crap. Thank you!

AP directly relates to lucid dreaming, and you can see that by looking at the similarities. These are experienced lucid dreamers and if they say they have experienced something outside of lucid dreaming I believe them. You don't have to accept that it's a paranormal or spiritual thing. Think of it this way AP could be THE most advanced form of lucid dreaming around, if you can't master it / comprehend it then that's your problem. Everyone has different views on it.

What jaydub said is interesting also, again it verifies a 'super awareness' or extreme control over the experience/dream.

And on what dreamcatcher said, maybe you are creating the full experience leaving nothing for your mind to alter or distort. Seems like there's less mystery to a AP than a lucid dream, doors opening for you automatically (no hesitation, no 'lag'), automatically floating/flying instead of forcing it or having to create that part of the dream first. I think it comes down to clarity, and possibly a different state of consciousness or being.

Originally Posted by Reclypso

AP directly relates to lucid dreaming, and you can see that by looking at the similarities. These are experienced lucid dreamers and if they say they have experienced something outside of lucid dreaming I believe them. You don't have to accept that it's a paranormal or spiritual thing. Think of it this way AP could be THE most advanced form of lucid dreaming around, if you can't master it / comprehend it then that's your problem. Everyone has different views on it.

What jaydub said is interesting also, again it verifies a 'super awareness' or extreme control over the experience/dream.

And on what dreamcatcher said, maybe you are creating the full experience leaving nothing for your mind to alter or distort. Seems like there's less mystery to a AP than a lucid dream, doors opening for you automatically (no hesitation, no 'lag'), automatically floating/flying instead of forcing it or having to create that part of the dream first. I think it comes down to clarity, and possibly a different state of consciousness or being.

I understand that. However, Astral Projection is, at the very least, unproven. Lucid dreaming on the other hand, is proven and scientifically recognized. I'll bet the people on the NASA forums don't have to deal with UFO sightings.

And I quote:

Astral Projection is the act of leaving your body and projecting your mind onto the astral plane. This is not officially recognized by the Dreamviews staff, due to its questionable scientific nature

But all that is beside the point. This discussion belongs in the Beyond Dreaming section. Just the same as if you wrote a tutorial on attaining lucidity, I would tell you to go put it in the Attaining Lucidity section. Because that's what sections are for.

Originally Posted by Tyronne

What is this? Porous walls

I was simply talking about the ability to pass through walls. Namaste.

Oh you mean Phasing

We are disscusing the similarities between the two Quote: Personal Experience List Of Similar Characteristics Between Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming
If we posted this in beyond the dream section they would tell us to move it here because it's questioning the spiritual aspect of it, most people that have an AP connect it to a religious or spiritual occurrence :X

Anyway, lately I feel like I'm closer to having an AP than a lucid dream. Every time I attempt a WILD I lay there and the feeling of laying above my body always seems to appear to me. I feel like I'm being pulled or warped out of my body like gravity all of the sudden is going up instead of pushing down, yet I still have a strong connection to my body like I'm being held by something and just can't get loose. It's also hard to sustain for me, no hallucinations appear to me when I get this 'feeling'. I've never read much about AP but does this add up to being close to a lucid or closer to the experience of an astral projection. I feel like I could have these sensations in both.

This is one of the funniest threads I've seen on this forum. Someone lists thirty "similarities" between Lucid Dreaming and Astral Projection, which makes it seem as if it they are one and the same thing. LOL!!!

So what are the "differences", if I may ask?

And furthermore, have you ever done a reality check on a digital clock when you were in "astral projection?" If the numbers change when you look back, then you were never in astral projection to begin with.

Jakob

Originally Posted by Jakob

This is one of the funniest threads I've seen on this forum. Someone lists thirty "similarities" between Lucid Dreaming and Astral Projection, which makes it seem as if it they are one and the same thing. LOL!!!

So what are the "differences", if I may ask?

And furthermore, have you ever done a reality check on a digital clock when you were in "astral projection?" If the numbers change when you look back, then you were never in astral projection to begin with.

Jakob

You took the words from my fingers!

Look bro its kool if you dont agree with my list, thats fine but when somebody says they have experienced something u should take that very serious, and not try to make light of it because it doesn't resonate with you. when i read what u said i took it as very disrespectful. my experiences were valid to me and i just wanted to share how they compare. Im not thinking about wether or not sombody approves of my own personal experience and how i interpret it. ( you wern't there nor do u know my experience with ap and ld ) Now all that aside i have wrote about what i thought the difference was early on in this thread. and also what i have done in the astral and lucid dream scape is listed, i just did't break it down into stories because this is just a list of my own comparisons.

Originally Posted by Jakob

This is one of the funniest threads I've seen on this forum. Someone lists thirty "similarities" between Lucid Dreaming and Astral Projection, which makes it seem as if it they are one and the same thing. LOL!!!

So what are the "differences", if I may ask?

And furthermore, have you ever done a reality check on a digital clock when you were in "astral projection?" If the numbers change when you look back, then you were never in astral projection to begin with.

Jakob

Ya we already discussed the difference between them so you need to read all of the posts, before you come in here and look like an idiot And yes he did add a lot of similarities but if you were to read the difference you would probably understand that it's quite significant (If you can even comprehend a slightly intelligent conversation)

Reclypso

I will say it again:

And furthermore, have you ever done a reality check on a digital clock when you were in "astral projection?" If the numbers change when you look back, then you were never in astral projection to begin with.

So I will bet you it was just a lucid dream, nothing more. Maybe the next "similarity" you are going to add to your list is the following:

31.) Numbers change on digital clocks just like in lucid dreams.

Originally Posted by Reclypso

AP directly relates to lucid dreaming, and you can see that by looking at the similarities. These are experienced lucid dreamers and if they say they have experienced something outside of lucid dreaming I believe them. You don't have to accept that it's a paranormal or spiritual thing. Think of it this way AP could be THE most advanced form of lucid dreaming around, if you can't master it / comprehend it then that's your problem. Everyone has different views on it.

What jaydub said is interesting also, again it verifies a 'super awareness' or extreme control over the experience/dream.

And on what dreamcatcher said, maybe you are creating the full experience leaving nothing for your mind to alter or distort. Seems like there's less mystery to a AP than a lucid dream, doors opening for you automatically (no hesitation, no 'lag'), automatically floating/flying instead of forcing it or having to create that part of the dream first. I think it comes down to clarity, and possibly a different state of consciousness or being.

Sorry but... You havent even had any lucid dreams... How can you be backing up AP when you cant even back up lucid dreaming?

Originally Posted by dakotahnok

Sorry but... You havent even had any lucid dreams... How can you be backing up AP when you cant even back up lucid dreaming?

I know a lot more than most about them, just by reading a bunch of threads and reading all of the wiki's and definitions I know as much as you do The experience itself isn't anything complicated it's just being aware in a dream and controlling it, I've also had one semi lucid dream but the only thing I could get to work was teleporting. (I smoked before bed) Oh I also didn't know I needed anything to back up lucid dreams? Isn't it experimentally proven, or are you just saying your delusional and making all of this up

+ I've helped many people with lucid questions and experiences and they seem to find it useful

If I needed clarity on decerning between what astral projection or lucid dreaming was i would of posed that question at the beginning of the thread. & I'll say this again you dont have to agree with my list. Where u go wrong is trying to reinterpret my own experience as something else and then make it seem less then what it was thats a big no no in my book jakob. Your saying my list is a lucid dream nothing more, But if you really paid attention to what was being said through out this whole thread you would understand that to me through my experience the two are different vehicles of consciousness to the astral plane and neither one is better then the other, thus my list. The practioner only need to choose which vehicle to use. In my humble opinion ofcourse.

Two other things i need to explain to you. uhhh 1 where do u get this digital clock crap from as if its the only way of verifing Astral projection, when I ap a clock is the last thing on my mind, if you studied & experienced obe and ap you would know that vibrations is the most common sign of the experience. So no clocks wont make my list okay!

Lastly this is where we part ways jacob, your on my ignore list which means i wont be able to see any more of your post. I do wish you the best in your lucid dreaming journey and hope u can learn to respect other peoples experience and opinons on theses matters namaste.

Originally Posted by Jakob

I will say it again:



So I will bet you it was just a lucid dream, nothing more. Maybe the next "similarity" you are going to add to your list is the following:

31.) Numbers change on digital clocks just like in lucid dreams.

Originally Posted by Reclypso

I know a lot more than most about them, just by reading a bunch of threads and reading all of the wiki's and definitions I know as much as you do The experience itself isn't anything complicated it's just being aware in a dream and controlling it, I've also had one semi lucid dream but the only thing I could get to work was teleporting. (I smoked before bed) Oh I also didn't know I needed anything to back up lucid dreams? Isn't it experimentally proven, or are you just saying your delusional and making all of this up

+ I've helped many people with lucid questions and experiences and they seem to find it useful

I'm so sorry for posting that. I was in a terrible mood.

I just want to putmy input in this, lucid dreaming=AP/OBE/RV
Your brain is a very powerful thing. It can conjure memories of your house, past homes, etc, that seem so vivid, it seems like an AP.
People talk about NDEs and how they see heaven, and this huge mountain they walk up, and see judgement, etc etc..
But I believe since your mind is still active, you are LD, visualizing the stories you have heard about heaven through your life. Astral projection stories are completely the same as lucid dream stories. I am sorry, but the evidence of the similarities shows they are the same.
You can't list 30 similarities, then turn around and say that you truly "left your body and saw a demon outside your front door."
So..sorry to burst your bubble, but Remote viewing, astral projection, Out of Body, and Near-Death experiences are all the same as lucid dreaming. Your brain just creates circumstances that seem like you are outside of your physical body. I just read a topic of someone saying they "See through their eyelids" at themselves, yet they see themselves in a different position than when they left, and how he did unmentioned reality checks to see if he was dreaming. He said the reality checks failed, but reality checks aren't 100%. They can fail sometimes, since he didn't specify which ones he tried, we can't know for sure.

Originally Posted by dreamcatcher81

Funny u brought up awareness because this is the only difference I can differentiate between the two. Not in the sense of abilities because what I have done during ap directly parallels what I have done during ld thus my list. The difference I have notice is the speed of which I am aware at the onset of the experience. When I wake to a vibration feeling or the time i was pulled out of my bed and started flying over my neighborhood I am immediately aware of what's going on it's instant every single time and it's as if I'm awake doing things I couldn't normally do when my physical body is active. Before LD (dream) I don't know necessarily what's happening right a way I forget my place. My theory is that one is closer to the physical world at onset of experience and the other is farther away and deeper with in the astral at onset. When i obe and astral project i either see myself sleeping or i feel myself sleeping while exploring. During a lucid dream I only understand where my earthly body is I don't feel it or see it. Hope this helps. Thanx for stopping by. namaste.

This confirms my suspicious. I had always thought that in order to pull off astral projection you will need an even GREATER amount of awareness than you normally have in a lucid dream. Awareness is key here. When you get enough awareness in a lucid dream you 'shift' into the astral realm. At least that is how I see it

EDIT: And I just realized this post is old. Should've paid attention to the date...