If I needed clarity on decerning between what astral projection or lucid dreaming was i would of posed that question at the beginning of the thread. & I'll say this again you dont have to agree with my list. Where u go wrong is trying to reinterpret my own experience as something else and then make it seem less then what it was thats a big no no in my book jakob. Your saying my list is a lucid dream nothing more, But if you really paid attention to what was being said through out this whole thread you would understand that to me through my experience the two are different vehicles of consciousness to the astral plane and neither one is better then the other, thus my list. The practioner only need to choose which vehicle to use. In my humble opinion ofcourse.

Two other things i need to explain to you. uhhh 1 where do u get this digital clock crap from as if its the only way of verifing Astral projection, when I ap a clock is the last thing on my mind, if you studied & experienced obe and ap you would know that vibrations is the most common sign of the experience. So no clocks wont make my list okay!

Lastly this is where we part ways jacob, your on my ignore list which means i wont be able to see any more of your post. I do wish you the best in your lucid dreaming journey and hope u can learn to respect other peoples experience and opinons on theses matters namaste.




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I will say it again:



So I will bet you it was just a lucid dream, nothing more. Maybe the next "similarity" you are going to add to your list is the following:

31.) Numbers change on digital clocks just like in lucid dreams.