Thread: What do you think about crimes in lucid dreaming

Originally Posted by Quantiq

1. I hate GTA.
2. I'm not even referring to killing. I'm talking about serious stuff like torturing and rapeing a guy for hours on end "Saw" style. Honestly, people who lucid dream all for the purpose of doing that, might need to see some professional help.
3. Define reality. An experience as vivid as a lucid dream is almost the same as performing it in real life. In fact, what makes reality so real? So if you could do these things in reality and not get punished you would still do them? Yet it's immoral right?

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Is thinking a crime?

As long as you dont get desensitized to it and start to blur your line between dream reality and actual reality, it doesnt really matter.

I agree that i wont do anything brutal or anything.

Oh dear, even the thought of committing such heinous thoughtcrime shatters the soul!

Of course I have done things I am not proud of in my dreams, that's what they're for in the first place.

I don't agree at all with committing immoral acts in dreams, and since illegal actions are *usually* immoral, I wouldn't do that either.

Sure, you aren't hurting anyone else as it is just a dream, but you are hurting yourself. Not only can it make you numb to similar actions in the real world (much like watching tons of gory violent shows will numb you to it in real life), but the more you do something, no matter what it is, the more comfortable you will become with it. Not saying you will end up really killing people, in the real world, but generally your tolerance and/or your tendency to consider such things goes up.

Other, I don't treat dreams and waking the same way, they have their own rules and their own "morality" so to speak, just trying to think of it as if I were in waking is impossible for me.

The feeling/sensation of doing a crime in a dream is amazing especially when you are running away from the authorities and hiding in random people houses

Its like an epic adventure

though when my DC does crimes in a dream its usually theft related, I've had a couple of robberies where my DC would use his finger as a gun holding people hostage LOOOL

I said do what you want, but if the person has issues in real life and uses dreams to carry out actions of a serious nature, I would say that's a little wrong. But it's better than doing it in real life I guess.

When you have a dream in which you can even decide to do all these things and do it vividly, it's a good day..
But I don't think anyone wants to waste his or her time on doing these things.

Originally Posted by -InsaneKid-

I don't agree at all with committing immoral acts in dreams, and since illegal actions are *usually* immoral, I wouldn't do that either.*

Sure, you aren't hurting anyone else as it is just a dream, but you are hurting yourself. Not only can it make you numb to similar actions in the real world (much like watching tons of gory violent shows will numb you to it in real life), but the more you do something, no matter what it is, the more comfortable you will become with it. Not saying you will end up really killing people, in the real world, but generally your tolerance and/or your tendency to consider such things goes up.

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Are you sure it's a fact that people's tolerance/or your tendency gives up when commuting violence in a dream?. Do you really think most people would decide to commit these crimes in real life?. I am sure some people would, maybe. I also think a lot wouldn't. I mean, there's a big difference between dreaming and waking life.

I myself don't care if people want to commit illegal things in dreams; as long as it STAYS in the dream. I am not interested in commiting crimes but I started lucid dreaming to one day act out. My friend and I created it and I plan to dream about it, being lucid and there is a lot of crime going on.*

Do I want to commit these crimes in real life?. Hell no. I just want to feel/experience the characters while being lucid. They may do bad things but it's a dream.

Edit; on my phone so I can't seem to edit properly. To one day act out a game we created about these guys, there gang members, a lot are into crime while a lot arn't.

Why do people bother quoting if they don't even read WHAT they are quoting? *sigh*

You:

Are you sure it's a fact that people's tolerance/or your tendency gives up when commuting violence in a dream?. Do you really think most people would decide to commit these crimes in real life?

Me:

Not only can it make you numb to similar actions in the real world (much like watching tons of gory violent shows) [...] [T]he more you do something [...] the more comfortable you will become with it. Not saying you will end up really killing people, but generally your tolerance and/or your tendency to consider such things goes up.

Emphasis added to make my point, I think this answers the question. The fact I was stating, is that the more you practice and/or are exposed to something, the more numb towards it you will become. I don't think the majority of people will take this to the extreme and act it out in real life situations, but it makes the temptation easier to fall for. Basically, think of a limiting bar, the bar says, "This is how much someone can take until they snap and do it." The more you are numb to something, the more the bar lowers. Sure, most people may not ever even reach the bar, but it makes the possibility higher because it takes less. It takes less because the more you are numb the less of a "big deal" it feels like. As given in my example, if you watch tons of bloody and gory movies, at first it will be shocking and perhaps even revolting, but after a while it seems like "no big deal." To think that dreams, an often lifelike simulation, couldn't effect people in a similar (if not more extreme) way is absurd.

Sure, things may "stay in the dream," but honestly, it still effects you as a person.

P.S., As if you didn't notice, I hate it when people quote me, questioning what I say without actually reading or acknowledging my point behind it. Please don't do that. Apologies if I came off rude.

Alright, I'm going to join this, just by reiterating the point I made earlier.

I definitely matters who you are. Doing crimes, even things as bad as killing and raping, in your dreams doesn't mean you are a psychopath! But, it could me you are! It all depends on who you are. If you are a person who follows all the rules and would never hurt anyone real in your lifetime, then doing some weird and (admittedly) creepy crimes in your dreams are not going to hurt anyone. Especially if you're doing it to vent some rage at others. Yes, it's a little weird and it makes everyone uncomfortable, but it could be this release that stops some people from actually doing these things. While I don't have the proof right now (but if you want it, I will certainly find it for you) there have been studies done on violent video games that have proven that this is a good way for children to channel their primal, murderous instincts. I feel it is the same way for lucid dreaming. On the other hand, there are the few people who might find this exhilarating and want to try this in real life. For those people, it is certainly wrong. But who can play the judge and jury on all things?

Someone shot a dream character that I liked, and was friends with.

I sliced that fucker into so many pieces with my beam katana.

BUT, I have never gone on a DC killing spree or anything like that. If someone evokes my wrath, then they'd better be prepared to die. (In my dream, obviously)

Do as you wish. It's not real, no one gets hurt, so why would it be wrong?

Some say that you hurt yourself, but this is just symbolism, it doesn't really mean anything.

If a person becomes so tolerant (from experience) that they feel they are likely to commit immoral acts in real-life, then sure, they should perhaps do less violent things in their lucid dreams for a while, but I don't see anything wrong with the lucid immorality itself.

It's your dream and therefore you can do whatever you want. It's quite simple! All of this talk about immoral acts and so on...it's very hard to define that to begin with. I mean, is killing an NPC in a game immoral? I don't think it is and LDs aren't that different from videogames. I mean, nothing is real, so why not? It has no bearings and no effect on your real life at all so it's all ok in my book. The whole point of LDing is to have unlimited creative freedom to do what you want with your own dreams and morals/stuff like that shouldn't influence them.

I'd go off on a rant here but I'm shattered. Long story short, crimes in dreams are fine.

Originally Posted by Candlelight

It's your dream and therefore you can do whatever you want. It's quite simple! All of this talk about immoral acts and so on...it's very hard to define that to begin with. I mean, is killing an NPC in a game immoral? I don't think it is and LDs aren't that different from videogames. I mean, nothing is real, so why not? It has no bearings and no effect on your real life at all so it's all ok in my book. The whole point of LDing is to have unlimited creative freedom to do what you want with your own dreams and morals/stuff like that shouldn't influence them.

I'd go off on a rant here but I'm shattered. Long story short, crimes in dreams are fine.

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