I dont think "The Art of Dreaming" needs a defender at all |
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first off - YES YES YES AND YES!! thank you for writing this @Ctharlhie... more words like these need to be written. the intention behind your efforts drives you forth towards the goal. setting your intention and knowing it is true and pure. now that can be the hard part.. |
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I dont think "The Art of Dreaming" needs a defender at all |
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Fair enough. |
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I used this technique now since my last post 3 weeks ago and I had a lucid dream almost every night. This night I had 4. They were all Dreams were I just knew I was dreaming. They were all very long and I don't remember anything before I became lucid. |
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Loooo, it's really amazing. Keep it this way |
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This is really heartening to see, great stuff, Loooo. When I'm 'on a roll' and basically intending I too get most of my DILDs from being lucid straight from the beginning of the dream without need to reality check, it's just so clear that what I am experiencing is a dream. Seeing as people are still finding this thread useful I'll outline a few of my more recent ideas. |
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My Lucid Dreaming Articles/Tutorials:
Mindfulness - An Alternative Approach to ADA
Intent in Lucid Dreaming; Break that Dry-Spell, Escape the Technique Rut
Always, no sometimes think it's me,
But you know I know when it's a dream
I think I know I mean a yes
But it's all wrong
That is I think I disagree
-John Lennon
From http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...-dreaming.html |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
^ Yeah it's a really powerful concept that crops up in a lot of the literature. |
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My Lucid Dreaming Articles/Tutorials:
Mindfulness - An Alternative Approach to ADA
Intent in Lucid Dreaming; Break that Dry-Spell, Escape the Technique Rut
Always, no sometimes think it's me,
But you know I know when it's a dream
I think I know I mean a yes
But it's all wrong
That is I think I disagree
-John Lennon
^^ I always had a small problem with this activity. |
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I practiced until I started getting persistent feelings of unreality/depersonalisation, then I stopped it pretty quickly. Imagining your life is a dream probably isn't something that should be mixed with generalised anxiety.. |
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My Lucid Dreaming Articles/Tutorials:
Mindfulness - An Alternative Approach to ADA
Intent in Lucid Dreaming; Break that Dry-Spell, Escape the Technique Rut
Always, no sometimes think it's me,
But you know I know when it's a dream
I think I know I mean a yes
But it's all wrong
That is I think I disagree
-John Lennon
People have been known to go mad or fall into depression when biting off more than they could chew with meditation / following the buddhist path. There's a reason they teach you things in steps. |
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Last edited by Memm; 06-21-2014 at 07:03 AM.
Well I just woke from a short but sweet LD, breaking my almost-month-long dry spell, and went to bed thinking along the lines of Ctharlie's recent Intention post, and reading his links to posts about "abandon technique, know you can do it, be confident, relax, don't stress, meditate, etc.", so I think I will continue firmly along this path to see where it leads. It seems very promising (I'll still keep my vigilance and RRC, etc.). |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
You may have missed my point. It isn't about knowing that where you are is a dream, or reality. It's that, unless you have some mental illness or have made some curious global esoteric/religious decisions, you will know, on a visceral and very real level, that you are in reality no matter what you try to tell yourself during your walks. That knowledge goes very deep, to unconscious, even instinctual places. So, no matter how effectively you intellectualize that "I actually could be dreaming," your unconscious is saying "The hell we are! This stuff is real." |
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Last edited by Sageous; 06-21-2014 at 04:24 PM.
It's great to hear that you managed to break your dry spell, FryingMan! |
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Last edited by Ctharlhie; 06-21-2014 at 04:39 PM.
My Lucid Dreaming Articles/Tutorials:
Mindfulness - An Alternative Approach to ADA
Intent in Lucid Dreaming; Break that Dry-Spell, Escape the Technique Rut
Always, no sometimes think it's me,
But you know I know when it's a dream
I think I know I mean a yes
But it's all wrong
That is I think I disagree
-John Lennon
^^ What he said. |
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I get what you're saying. The quote from the Dream Yoga book seems pretty clear, though (dream kitchen, dream milk, dream coffee). What, Sageous (or Ctharlie, or anyone), do you think the dream yogis would say in response to your warnings of false lucids from this practice, and from it being counter to the goal of achieving lucidity? |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
I think the dream yogis would shake their heads and say, "Well, everything is a dream, isn't it?" The dream yoga perspective is drawn from a religious metaphysics that assumes that the world we encounter in waking life is not the real world, but a construct just like that of a dream, so it follows for them to assume that dreaming life is exactly like waking life, metaphysically speaking, and that you should approach both with the same non-dualistic perspective. |
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I can definitely see your point, but I also want to explore this idea of mindful ADA with added critical reflection as far as we can, so with that in mind... |
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My Lucid Dreaming Articles/Tutorials:
Mindfulness - An Alternative Approach to ADA
Intent in Lucid Dreaming; Break that Dry-Spell, Escape the Technique Rut
Always, no sometimes think it's me,
But you know I know when it's a dream
I think I know I mean a yes
But it's all wrong
That is I think I disagree
-John Lennon
So now having actually read up through the dream yoga practice section of the Tibetan book I understand more fully what people are saying about it. I have less of a problem with the "it's all a dream" practice, perhaps I'm internally modifying it to be "this is all *like* a dream" so that I object less to it. |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
^I agree with all of this basically. Right down to the Tiebetan techniques all being predictions of techniques that we have formulated as a community (wbtb, WILD, ADA, they're all in there). |
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My Lucid Dreaming Articles/Tutorials:
Mindfulness - An Alternative Approach to ADA
Intent in Lucid Dreaming; Break that Dry-Spell, Escape the Technique Rut
Always, no sometimes think it's me,
But you know I know when it's a dream
I think I know I mean a yes
But it's all wrong
That is I think I disagree
-John Lennon
Yes it was quite an epiphany. I too almost never have dreams immediately in mind upon waking unless I was lucid or close to it. The recall process is like meditation, I agree, with the addition of some some gentle probing. I almost never have day recall, it comes to me in bed or not at all, except a few times, as you note, in the shower! |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
I've started thinking about my day as I'm falling asleep when I first go to bed now, basically just think in chronological order from the time I woke up to now that I'm falling asleep again, I've noticed a couple of things: |
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Last edited by Memm; 08-14-2014 at 01:20 PM.
I have also stopped keeping a dream journal in the traditional sense, I now use the tagging or 'dream seeds' technique: Throw Away Your Dream Journal: Remember Your Dreams The Easy Way |
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My Lucid Dreaming Articles/Tutorials:
Mindfulness - An Alternative Approach to ADA
Intent in Lucid Dreaming; Break that Dry-Spell, Escape the Technique Rut
Always, no sometimes think it's me,
But you know I know when it's a dream
I think I know I mean a yes
But it's all wrong
That is I think I disagree
-John Lennon
Can I offer a caveat here? |
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I mostly agree but I have a few remarks: |
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Last edited by Memm; 08-17-2014 at 05:39 PM.
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