Thread: Is it ethical to hurt your DCs?

Originally Posted by Mindraker

This is a great post! However, I've had very violent dream characters in my dreams, and it wasn't because of anything that *I* did. Even last night, I remember someone beating a helpless young man, and I stood my guard -- prepared to defend myself. Typical of me in real life; I recognize an injustice where I see it, and I will defend myself if I have to. But the dream character brought the violence to me. I wasn't searching for violence.

Mindraker, I think what we're talking about here is choosing to do violence to DC's during LD's.

No, I think Sivason's excellent post somewhere above relates to dreamers who choose to kill or do other very bad things to their DC's that they wouldn't dare do -- or even think about -- in waking life. If you are not lucid, there's really nothing you can do, or blame yourself about, when violence ensues ... though it would be very cool if your DC "You" did the right thing too (as yours seemed to), because it reflects well on the dreamer!

To ignore your sense of morality and your sense of Self to find joy in hurting others is never, I think, a good thing. Also, you may be able to convince yourself that DC's are not real and thus can be tortured, raped, killed, etc, no-harm-no-foul, but in truth all those DC's are reflections of you; projections of your own dreaming mind. All the pain you bring upon them is pain brought upon yourself -- and a part of you will remember that.

Somewhere else up there Ekyu mentioned the killer instinct ... isn't a LD the perfect opportunity for we learning and growing humans test, and prove, our ability to rise above instinct? I think so.

I was just pointing out that we are not perfect beings, and i agree that lucid dreaming shouldn't be about killing or hurting other people for fun. There are far more intresting stuff to do. But u also need to look it from my point of view on this matter, is it really that hard to beleve that some people just enjoy being a 'bad' guy once in a while in there dreams? I don't think it's that strange..

Is it wrong? That's for themself to decide, it doesn't effect anybody else but them.
We don't have any right to judge people in situations like this.

Originally Posted by Ekyu

I was just pointing out that we are not perfect beings, and i agree that lucid dreaming shouldn't be about killing or hurting other people for fun. There are far more intresting stuff to do. But u also need to look it from my point of view on this matter, is it really that hard to believe that some people just enjoy being a 'bad' guy once in a while in there dreams? I don't think it's that strange...

Sadly, it's not strange at all. I was actually not disagreeing with you, Ekyu; your point is more than sound. I was mentioning only that LD'ing could be a tool for rising above mindless instinct.

Is it wrong? That's for themself to decide, it doesn't effect anybody else but them. We don't have any right to judge people in situations like this.

Perhaps not a right to judge (people's dreams are their own worlds, after all), but maybe an obligation to look into the nature of doing harm to DC's, and indirectly our selves, and using the process of discussing things like this to raise warning flags to folks who are currently convincing themselves that it is okay to become a sociopath in their dreams.

I do agree that u shouldn't go sociopath in ur dreams, but the question is where do u draw the line? When are u being a sociopath? stuff like torture is pretty obvious, but i was talking more about the 'gray' zone if u understand what i mean? Is being a demon in ur dreams and blowing random stuff up, does this make u a sociopath? Is stuff like that really harmfull for u? I just think it depends person on person.

I think we agree with each other, but it's just where is the line where it becomes wrong?