Thread: Initiate a FA from a Lucid Dream

I think, when you close your dream eyes, you either wake up in FA or IWL. It's probably better to learn to realize that your dream is ending and then do a DEILD.

You can learn to catch FAs by RCing each time you get out of the bed IWL. Since in FA you most often start in your bed.

When I WILD, to help me realize that seeing my room means I'm in a lucid already, I use mantra: "When I see my room, I get up". I'm experimenting now with: "When I see anything, I get up".

More you think about all these things, read about them here, even if they don't make much sense to you, you will remember them at the right moment and it will get you lucid. That's how it worked for me. I used to read people saying "I just wait to see my room and then I get up". Huh? I didn't get it. Tried a few times, but was always awake. Untill once I saw my room and I thought to myself: "They say to just get up, which is pretty stupid because I know I'm awake, but what the heck". I got up and to my amazement I was in a lucid.

Sometimes the transition to LD is so smooth, you don't notice it. So you have to take leap of faith.

Hey, I know what you mean about being able to feel your body, it is like you are just laying down with your eyes closed imagining, but you are dreaming. I have non LDs like this all the time, like I know at the time that I am laying down just imagining it, and can completely feel my normal body, but I have only once become lucid during. When I became lucid I just stabilized and that cut off all connections with my body. I did this automatically because one of my ways I can tell that I am waking up.

In order to FA, you just need to close your eyes and imagine waking up. Do an RC without moving and if you are really awake then DEILD.
You can also fall backwards. you will normally land in your bed.

@Gab The few times I have successfully WILDed, I thought that it was really weird because one second I was laying there, the next I was looking at my room. I thought for a second "I thought my eyes were closed?" then I RCed and got up.

Thanks both of you! What are some examples of an RC that you don't move? Last night I attempted DEILD and I woke up perfectly sill. I didn't enter a dream though. Maybe it was because I woke up in a weird position or that I couldn't remember my last dream so I kept on trying to think of places to go to which got my mind too active.

Motionless RC
"If this would be a dream, I would levitate"
"If this would be a dream, that wall [or any object] would be green [anything different that it's now].

I used both of them in my WILD yesterday. The levitate was not new, but I changed a picture on a wall first time. It was pretty cool.

That sounds cool! So does that mean that you have to have your eyes open to do the picture one?

What Gab said! ^^^

And your brain has to be at a certain stage of sleep and awake to WILD or DEILD. It is easier for most to get it to that state when DEILDing. You have to be able to think clearly, but let your thoughts roam. I think that it is different for everyone how much awake and how much asleep you have to be.

Originally Posted by MarineRecon

That sounds cool! So does that mean that you have to have your eyes open to do the picture one?

When you doing your RCs during day, you have your eyes opened and you are looking at the objects. If you do this a few times, then when in a dream, you will get a suspicion that you are dreaming. Then you will do RC on objects in your dream, that you see with your dream eyes.

That really clears it up for me Gab hahaha! I thought that you ment you did the RC while you were physically WILDing

So do any of you have other ways I can "feel" my dreambody instead my physical body once I enter a dream? Thanks for your help everyone I really appreciate it!

I have a very vivid imagination. I learned this when I was practicing basketball at night in my head when I was insomnia prone.

It is kind of like "imagining what motion would feel like". I would lie in bed and try to imagine a dream scene. Imagine what it would feel like to actually walk through it, smell it, touch it, taste it, and of course visualize it. You need to really imagine each at one time and practice all of them at once after you can almost feeeeeeel exactly what you are imagining, try not to think about your physical body at all, and this is while you are awake. This might be hard if you are not good at visualizing. I would recommend getting good at this first. When you feel both bodies, concentrate solely on what it should feel like only on the dream body, you will use the exact same thought process you will use when you are awake. Don't think of yourself in bed at all. Whichever reality you are aware of is the one you will be in.

This is just my form of stabilizing really, but I just realized that it is the same thing I do when I am bored and imagine my books (or back when I played ball) or for incubating dreams. Thanks for making me think of this I like connecting the dots of things I do and why I do them, it helps me to be more aware of what I am doing, and awareness is key.

Thanks for that,Brandon, it was exactly what I was looking for! I have a feeling that this is what is going to get me over the "edge" from feeling my physical body to feeling my dream body!

Thanks, I like to help.

Yeah hahaha! You have been a lot of help to me lately!

How long have you been lucid dreaming???

I had like 10 randomly throughout my childhood, and I looked it up like a year ago, but I didn't try it until like June. I couldn't seem to find anything really good about it until August. I have a more detailed description in my DJ (click the signature ). It goes over what I do and how I LD

Wow! So you are pretty experienced for the small amount of time that you have been LDing. I started a few years ago and I still consider myself a newbie because lucid dreaming is a life-long art. Plus I have been in and out of it because of my work schedule.

Yeah, that would be a pretty crazy schedule. I love reading and am very competitive. So I want to be the best at LDing (haha ), and I have read enough to know what techniques should work for the way my mind works, so I tried those first, and I tried the other ones after that. I also have a pretty set way of how I practice things, and I think this helps a lot (it is a way to get better at anything, sports, LDs, video games).

I can relate to you hahaha! I am also very competitive hahaha I made the mistake of switching from technique to technique over and over again. I would do one for a week and if it didn't work I would throw it out! I am only now starting to find techniques that suit how my mind works, like you mentioned. Now I recommend to newbies to this site to stick with a technique for a few months before you rule it out, so that they don't make my mistake.

Originally Posted by MarineRecon

That really clears it up for me Gab hahaha! I thought that you ment you did the RC while you were physically WILDing

So do any of you have other ways I can "feel" my dreambody instead my physical body once I enter a dream? Thanks for your help everyone I really appreciate it!

Well, yes and no.

So we are clear on RCing for practice during day. Now it get's tricky when you RC to confirm.

OK, so I lay down to WILD. I repeat my mantra "When I see my room I get up". Sometimes my thoughts escape me and I start to think about what to make for dinner, and I should check my emails and stuff like that. Then I catch myself and get back to mantra. Then I may dose off for a few seconds and come back to. It goes like this for a while when I notice I can see my room.

I know I'm still awake, I was just planning my dinner, right? But I decide to get up, since my mantra reminds me to do so and I'm in a dream. But you can also do motionless RC while you sure you are still awake, because you could be in a dream already.

If it sounds confusing, that's because it is. But don't worry, you will figure it out. All it takes you figuring it out once. Then you will know how it feels and what to look for and to trust yourself. it actually fun to figure it out. It's an amazing feeling when you think you awake, you stand up and you are in a dream.

That is confusing hahaha!

So are you talking about how you can see through your eyelids? I should try that it would be cool for that to happen!

Yup, seeing through closed eyelids. Sometimes it's for real - you do see your real room, sometimes it's just a lucid dream.

That sounds cool! Last night when I did my DEILD I could start to see the ceiling above my bed, but the was no stability at all and it wasn't really a dream, so I could not have done anything. Have you ever experienced this? If you have do you know a way to strengthen that image? I wasn't really dreaming though it was more of like HI that took up my whole view.

Move your dream body by imagination instead of the normal way. You can stabilize this way.

What is the "normal way"?