Thread: Why is lucid dreaming so closely related to unproven phenomena

Originally Posted by gab

Would your view of lucid dreaming change, had it not been proven by LaBerge or others? How about if you have been born before it was proven and you would be lucid dreaming then. Would you dismiss your experience just because it was not proven yet?

Was the Earth really flat, just because it was not proven to be round yet?

I guess what I'm trying to say, proving something doesn't make it real. The experiences may be real, wheather they are proven or not. Just practice LDin some more, I'm sure you will have some experiences that will make you think. And you will not care, if some scientist in lab had proved it or not.

Stuff does exist, even before it's proven. We don't know everything, it's possible, that we just didn't invent the machines to test and prove OBEs and APs.

And about separating LDs from other phenomena, so LDs don't get "tainted". That's something only LDer not believing in those other phenomena cares for. Because in eyes of general public, you are in a same looney bin as people who believe in OBEs and AP. Simply because they don't believe in lucid dreaming. So you are doing the same thing - trying to discredit OBEs, while they are trying to discredit LDs.

No offence to anybody, I don't mind if someone believes or not in whatever. It's easy to try and discredit something, that someone has no idea about, because he has not experienced it. Just my opinion, of course.

My reply is not aimed at you personally, GangsterPanda, but in general. I know you just searching for answers.

That's why I hope all of this stuff is real, but the general public think exactly different to you and will not believe anything unless they have scientific proof, and that's just the way the human race has evolved.
-GangsterPanda
EDIT: Sorry reading this back this doesn't make much sense as a reply, I just wanted to say Gab that this is a very valid point and I hope people listen to your opinon.

Originally Posted by GangsterPanda

That's why I hope all of this stuff is real, but the general public think exactly different to you and will not believe anything unless they have scientific proof, and that's just the way the human race has evolved.
-GangsterPanda

Well, there already is proof for LDing. But I still get the looks from people when mentioning it. I'm just saying, we shouldn't be so hung up on scientific explanation.

If someone is interested in the 'out of the box' things, he will look up LDing and practice it. If someone is not, you can show him article from "science monthly" and he will not give a damn. You can't force LDing on someone who is just not interested. Maybe they are not ready. Maybe LDing is something only more evolved people have interest in.

It's scientifically proven that eating vegetables is really good for you. Yet not everybody is hooked. So I don't think that proving something will change peoples minds. The change has to come from within.

If someone is interested in LDing but he doesn't want to do it or believe in it untill he sees some proof, whell then to heck with them. Let them wait and miss out on all the fun.

Do you really think, if some article came out tomorrow, that people would go "omg, I have heard about that but didn't care, but now that it's proven, I'm gonna do it". I don't think so.