Don't want to give this up.

**needinglucidity** · 12-22-2012 03:21 AM

Well, I did a forum search for similar threads, well, I typed and SOMETHING gave me similar titles but the genres don't seem match so w.e idk.

Past few nights, I think I mentioned a thread ago or something, I will be going about my day and someone or something sparks a dream from last night. I just got one. It's given me infatuation for somebody, as well as supermarket gunfights with these goddamned half animal human things lol no lucid though.

Anyways. What I'm trying to say is, I KNOW this have been said obviously , but what if we're lucid and don't remember it. Like what if I'm going through lucid experiences the same as if I would if I WAS AWARE. so. My belief. IMO. Not trolling.

I think it can go one of two ways.

Maybe you just have a first time reoccurring LD experience. And keep doing the same things over and over and over or maybe you like, tick your things off what you had planned. Ect. Maybe you've already made your personal DCs to dive down the rabbit hole with. How'd you know you're DCs/subconscious doesnt just troll the crap out of you for kicks cos you won't remember it in the morning. Or you have FUN (so I'm told, this is bad because I haven't been there myself. So reliance on being told the wonders is the best one can settle with)

Either way, myself and many others are probably riding the lucid wave a few nights a week and not even knowing whats going on by the morning. 3 days running now I've been waking up with a sort of bugging feeling literately in my head. And the first thought I think is I dreamt something last night. Throughout day eureka I remember a dream fragment. I call it a fragment because sadly its only seconds long.

Saying that, I genuinely don't ever really remember any long feeling dreams in my whole life. And I've always had a general interest in dreaming. Waaay before learning of LDing. I tend to get fragments. And they can be pieced together in order. SOMETIMES I can see how they'd match. Sort of.... Like how I could have got from one dream scene to another. But I wanna have a long vivid , doesn't have to be lucid, dream.

I'm rambling, regArdless, my New Years res is to really attempt to LD. But I'm always writing myself half assed plans and stuff. I've gone through like 2 pads of paper this month. It is my request that a more knowledgable fellow or gal with the time and patience to write me a short and sweet guide which I can rewrite my self and stick to my wall in bedroom.

I do read many guides btw, many things from many guides relate and inform, but not the entire guide itself.

I just need basic, sleep hours and times. Alarms if needed. Like what helps. Hourly alarms or whatever idk. Eating and drinking tips. I plan on stopping week complete for 21 days to see the effects. If lucidity is what I expect. Then it shall be the one to steal me from sweet Mary Jane.

I have tons of vitamin b6. Ain't used any in like 8 weeks or something now though. Ages. Didnt see any difference but I wasn't using it long enough to really compare. I got other stuff going on preventing real effort and focus because my concentration and thoughts drift from dreaming some days.

Idk, just general tips and reputable information compiled into a plan. Like everything. Every technique thats reputable. Ive tried hypnosis, extreme b6 for vivid dreams. I even bought two self hypnosis books. I won't name em for horrifying fear of the trademark polizia. You can read and speak yourself into a really peaceful sort of meditive state and auto suggest things to your SubC. I'm talking to much sorry.

Its A new year, my self and others who'll inevitably see and ponder the resolution too. I think a lot of people get interested in lucid dreaming. And then drift away and forget once they don't see immediate ish results. I wanna do some real brain training dream having regime and SET A DEADLINE. I need to set a deadline and stick to it

For once. Just for once. I really wanna bloody lucid dream it's driving me crazy right now when I think about what I'm missing out on. I don't wanna neglect real life for dreams but I don't just wanna, sleep for the rest of my life. I wanna learn this particular skill. And teach others too, my future kids ect. I have a personal, maybe not unique to me belief that LDing can transgress you into a sort of happy high mental state of understanding yourself and others/he world as we see it.

Sorry, I know this whole thread is just messed up literately, as in writing skills.
But I'm super tired. I might as well be lobotomised ATM. I'm going to sleep.
G,night all, appreciation if you made it this far down the text, if you're THAT intellectful fellow to formulate this plan, make it happen for me to read for breakfast tomorrow!

Only joking, I love this forum. Hence it's members. Peace, ill be back in a few hours

**thesimp** · 12-22-2012 03:45 AM

wtf?

Just...

wtf?

**gab** · 12-22-2012 04:24 AM

If you are wondering, if you had a lucid dream just didn't remember it, the answer is, yes, that's totally possible.

You can have a lucid dream and not remember it at all. Especially, if your dream memory is not good. I believe you need to wake up no more than 5 min after dream is over to remember it. And if you don't give any efforts into remembering them, then you probably don't.

You are not saying how many dreams you remember each night. But there are ways how to start remembering them.

1. start a dream journal
2. wake up after a dream and write it down (learn to recognize micro-awakenings after REM, drink water before bed and each time you wake up)
3. when you wake up, lay still, recall your dreams with words, so it get's into your main memory, then get up and write it down

If you think you having dreams about being lucid but not actually getting lucid, that happens too. You just have to keep trying. Raising your daytime awareness helps to get more aware in dreams also, and that helps with getting lucid.

ADA
self-awareness (sageous)
dream yoga (sivason)

If this is not what you were talking about, please explain. Happy dreams

**BossMan** · 12-22-2012 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by gab

drink water before bed and each time you wake up

I've had problems with needing to urinate in the middle of the night because of this. Sometimes I would be in the middle of the dream and the urge to piss wakes me up enough to be lucid but then again I need to piss... IDK that's what happens to me at least.

**gab** · 12-22-2012 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by BossMan

I've had problems with needing to urinate in the middle of the night because of this. Sometimes I would be in the middle of the dream and the urge to piss wakes me up enough to be lucid but then again I need to piss... IDK that's what happens to me at least.

Drinking water to wake yourself up at night is more to help you remember your dreams, since it's very likely that it wakes you up at the end of REM. You already wake up at that time, but this time you will notice it, since you need to make a trip to the restroom and that gives you a chance to write it down.

If you trying to get lucid, I don't recommend water. The urge to go potty may disrupt your after WBTB atttempt.

**needinglucidity** · 12-22-2012 09:40 PM

Thanks for the informative replies. I'm kinda disgusted at that first post lol that is a prime example of a sleep deprived person attempting to type coherently. I apologise for burning anyone's eyes. So how many times would I have a.... Micro awakening? For 8 hours of sleep or so.

Peace

**gab** · 12-22-2012 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by needinglucidity

So how many times would I have a.... Micro awakening? For 8 hours of sleep or so.

As we sleep, we go through sleep cycles. Each is about 90 min long and starts with NREM and ends with REM. So you wake up about every 90 min. We usually don't notice it, just turn to the other side and keep on sleeping. But if you are lucid dreamer and you know it's benefitial to you to notice them, you start thinking about it and pretty soon you will start noticing them.

You can also use mantra. Something like "I wake up after every dream and remember it", or just "I wake up after every dream".

**Sensei** · 12-22-2012 11:30 PM

I wake after every REM cycle now, but it does have its drawbacks. I cannot sleep in because I wake up and am very very awake after I have slept enough, so sleeping like 12 hours on Saturday like I used to is out of the question.

Just a thought. Welcome to DV. I hope to see you visit here more often.

Good luck on lucidity. Check out this and this:
http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/lucid-...-later-139114/
http://www.dreamviews.com/f45/dream-...3/#post1853618

They are very helpful, but I would recommend a DJ even though the first one says you don't need it. DJs are essential for most everyone. There are a few that can get by without it, but most admit they would do better with one.

**Sageous** · 12-23-2012 12:12 AM

I hate to be a downer, but here's the thing:

LD's are waking-life consciousness events, and therefore would be remembered as waking-life consciousness events.

In other words, needinglucidity, there is an excellent chance that you are not having lucid dreams at all, even though it feels like something special is happening (and that may still be the case, though that special thing might be something other than luciidity). I know Gab will disagree, but LD's are waking-life events, and would be remembered just like any other ones. And yes, most waking-life events are in fact forgotten, but not the important ones -- I have to believe that a lucid dream would be pretty damn important!

So I suggest you start a dream journal, pay as much attention as possible to your dreams, and continue to work on becoming lucid. Trust me when I say that when the moment comes, you will remember!

**BossMan** · 12-23-2012 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by Sageous

I hate to be a downer, but here's the thing:

LD's are waking-life consciousness events, and therefore would be remembered as waking-life consciousness events.

In other words, needinglucidity, there is an excellent chance that you are not having lucid dreams at all, even though it feels like something special is happening (and that may still be the case, though that special thing might be something other than luciidity). I know Gab will disagree, but LD's are waking-life events, and would be remembered just like any other ones. And yes, most waking-life events are in fact forgotten, but not the important ones -- I have to believe that a lucid dream would be pretty damn important!

So I suggest you start a dream journal, pay as much attention as possible to your dreams, and continue to work on becoming lucid. Trust me when I say that when the moment comes, you will remember!

Exactly, The few lucid dreams I have had I remember in their entirety. Think about it this way, when you become lucid you WILL know exactly whats going on without a doubt and remember it the same way you would a day at Disneyland.

**LucidMoon** · 12-23-2012 05:31 PM

Sorry, with the title of this thread I really couldn't resist...

**needinglucidity** · 12-23-2012 07:21 PM

It's been a long long time since I last saw rick. Ricks funny as hell. I've never felt anger at rick. He's harmless.

**Sivason** · 12-23-2012 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by Sageous

I hate to be a downer, but here's the thing:

LD's are waking-life consciousness events, and therefore would be remembered as waking-life consciousness events.

In other words, needinglucidity, there is an excellent chance that you are not having lucid dreams at all, even though it feels like something special is happening (and that may still be the case, though that special thing might be something other than luciidity). I know Gab will disagree, but LD's are waking-life events, and would be remembered just like any other ones. And yes, most waking-life events are in fact forgotten, but not the important ones -- I have to believe that a lucid dream would be pretty damn important!

So I suggest you start a dream journal, pay as much attention as possible to your dreams, and continue to work on becoming lucid. Trust me when I say that when the moment comes, you will remember!

I kind of agree, and kind of not. I think for a beginer, that an LD would be very important and unlikely to be forgotten. It should be shocking and amazing even if nothing happens. So, you are probably correct that the dreams were some intense or vivid, but not lucid event. I do tend to remember my good lucids as if they really happened while I am awake. They honestly seem like memories of experiences I have had. However, after hundreds or thousands of lucids, they do not impact my brain as important memorible events, they kind of just get sorted as to how memorible the events are. I think it is like the difference between a young man's view of sex, and the view of sex held by a happily married man. While it sounds crazy to our younger members that we both claim 'thousands' of LDs, it is just a matter of decades of experience. Same holds true with sex, it is rare enough and important enough for young men that the first dozen times will stand out in their mind vividly. Yet, after decade of adult life, and hundreds of 'couplings' many many experiences just get kind of blended into a montage.

So, I have trouble remembering some LDs even in the morning of the same night. If I get lucid but nothing out of the ordinary happened, then it would be like trying to remember which comercials came on during the morning news hours before. That is unless I do something like Gab mentions, and take a moment upon awakening to repeat the concepts as words in my head, to solidify the memory. Often I am to lazy to do this, so many LDs have faded away, like so many other basic memories.

Now, in support of your idea, I do not forget good LDs. If I actually telport or use a super power, I will remember it as vividly as waking life memories.

**Sageous** · 12-23-2012 09:37 PM

^^ All true.

And in all honesty, Sivason, you make my point better for me than I did myself!

Yes, when lucids become an integral part of your life, the "ah-ha" moments are less exciting and you certainly would tend to discard more mundane lucid moments from memory -- just as you discard common waking moments from memory, like brushing your teeth. [I won't say anything about the importance of sex, though, in case my wife reads this, because even after 25 years every time is just as memorable as the first ... right?]

So yes, when a dreamer has thousands of LD's under his belt, he will likely tend to prioritize LD's just like any other waking-life memory. But keep in mind that the OP was specifically new to LD'ing, so odds are excellent that his lucid moment would be remembered well.

Also, I guess my real point, and the one that gets me in trouble often here, is that LD's are waking-consciousness events, and will be remembered as such, as opposed to most non-lucids, which tend to be forgotten upon waking. So, if you're not a high-mileage veteran oneironaut, odds are that if you can't remember a dream, it probably wasn't lucid.

**Sensei** · 12-23-2012 11:00 PM

Also a point I would like to add is that if you are not a skilled oneironaut, you are going to wake up immediately after your LD, probably before you are done. I have only had 1 that didn't, and I became lucid and then after about 10 minutes, the dream faded and when it came back I was no longer lucid. So when you go straight from dream to waking you have a high level of remembering them as well, because waking up at the end of dreams is the best way to start recall if you have bad recall.