Thread: What is your end turn goals for lucid dreaming?

Any chance of expanding on your "group experience"

Might be a good idea for another thread on here.

Do you mean talk into detail more or asking others on how to expand on the "group experience" tips/techniques thing? I never thought about asking for help on how to expand that experience, cool idea. Thanks! If it's in regards to expand on details, sure, when I have time to sit later.

Having only recently started exploring LD, I guess I have some very straightforward goals:

1) Be able to use my dreams for emotional and psychological development and healing
2) Explore the limits of my consciousness
3) Increase my spiritual and mystical awareness
4) Have fun
5) See if it is possible to share dreams or affect someone else's dreams (already had an indication that this may be possible)
6) See if I can extend my conscious perception outside the confines of my physical body
7) Explore another part of life

I think that meditating would require a lot of skill, even just the way I meditate, which is really just a higher level of concentration on one thing paired with imagination. Clearing your mind completely during a lucid seems like it would be awesome and a crazy awesome experience.

Originally Posted by BrandonBoss

I think that meditating would require a lot of skill, even just the way I meditate, which is really just a higher level of concentration on one thing paired with imagination. Clearing your mind completely during a lucid seems like it would be awesome and a crazy awesome experience.

Its is an awareness beyond the normal dream state.
You are fully awake, and can hear what is going on in the waking world. If some noise occurs, you hear it.
But at the same time you are asleep. No sight, and no images.
The choice to take notice of noise is yours
The choice to stay asleep is also there.
If I had to put a name to it, I would call it "Limbo"
Neither here, nor there, but both at the same time.

I think my explanations are going a little potty again, so I will leave it at that.

Meditating in dreams does sound interesting to me. I've thought about temperarily meditating for better control, but I decided to not use up a dream for meditation alone. Because the way I see it, is dreaming is already close to what I try to accomplish in meditation. It's where all the influences of the outside world are hushed, and I'm alone to expound more into my raw thoughts. Thoughts that are actual being projected to me from my mind like a sweet form of visuaization. In a way, I feel like sleeping is a short hop into condensed directed thoughts. Or, meditation. When I'm in the dream, I find that the further realization of what is going on is like, more directed medition. So for that reason, I don't know if I would stay in one scene and meditate. More or less, I would try to keep a lingering thought process connected to what was going around me. Just a thoughtful view on it, so I can enjoy more of the experience of whatever my thoughts bring by me. What do you guys think?

Maybe, I'm not giving it enough credit. What do you guys get from dream meditation?

Also,

Even in christianity there are over 14 names for "GOD"
Lots of hate, and wars caused by people saying that their "GOD" is true, and any other way is wrong.
I do not use any terms for other beings or encounters of any kind.

TiredPhil, I just wanted to take a minute to throw something your way. I'm not sure what the problem is that you were refering to about naming a "GOD". If there's 14 or 20 different names for something, I don't understand what problem that brings. Unless they are refering to an entirely different thing. I call food markets "grocery stores", while my wife calls them markets. I call sandals, "Slippers" and most other people call them sandals. It doen't negate the words people use, or conflict with them at all. The soul, higher self, chakra, karma were all used while refering to a specific topic. But with more investigation you'll find that relating them to each other is like relating penut butter, to the chair I'm sitting in.

It's hard to explain to people now days. Because humanism and materialism are being pushed into the envelope and media so much now. Christianity is not what causes war, hate, prejudice or any kind of conflict between people in the past. It has never caused that in the past. There are so many psuedo Christan sects that flash the name "CHRISTIAN" now, and throughout the past few hundred years. So in present time, whenever the young upcoming minds encounter the topic of Christianity- they're shown the example of

!. People with signs saying "GOD HATES GAYS" "Abortion is murder!" "REPENT, BOW DOWN, THE END IS NEAR."
2. Renaissance Catholic crusaders burning innocent women for witchcraft. (Which had nothing to do with any teachings from a Christian Bible. It had to do with lust for power, and politics.
3. A rich pastor, with his $2,000 dollar suit, yelling about sinners and how they should give him their money.

The list goes on, but none of these are the correct actions of the christian teachings.

t's so easy to see why people think the way you do about Christians. Though the Bible only ever tries to explain that each individual is supposed to love one another. To not harm one another. To be understanding, compassionate, peaceful, patient and kind. There are some graphic depictions in the Bible of dark times and topics, but not to be offensive or frightening. But to be a caution, and an explanation of what things can result in, when people keep themselves in certain conditions.

The things that people do that don't have to do with those good attributes I meantioned before, do not represent the Bible. I'm a christian, and I'm not taking any offense to what you said. I just wanted to say, those few things. And also that the biblical soul has no relating grouns with energies, karma, inner self, higherself, etc. If you'd like to see for yourself that what I'm saying is correct, I could even mail you a Bible to go over. You'll see if you read it openly, that what you and most people presently think of christianity, is the exact opposite. The literal, exact opposite. That seems kind of fishy, and premediated. Don't you think so?

I hope you won't think so dimly of Christians with that explanation.

ANYWAYS, carry on.

A single common name for the divine will not bring us closer together I believe because the only way that I can think of achieving a single name accepted by all would be through censorship and conquest and suppression of free speech. As a liberal Christian, I believe that what we need is tolerance. I say we will not have peace until people accept that we can have many names for God, call him Christ or Allah or any number of names and he loves us all no matter what we call him. There is a science fiction short story that suggests that the world will end once devout monks have written down all possible names of God. Go to sleep, TiredPhil, and if you dream of a new name, I hope you will not reject it for a change because there is nothing wrong with having many names as long as we all accept that our names are not the only right ones. That is what I believe.

Basically the details of what constitutes an existant God, are important. The word you verbally choose to use, isn't. Right on JoannaB.

I didn't quite understand what you mean about we can't have peace until everyone can accept we have many names for God. Are you talking about names? Or belief systems? Because belief systems can cancel each other out and cause conflict with one another. But names can't.

Originally Posted by Nerq

Basically the details of what constitutes an existant God, are important. The word you verbally choose to use, isn't. Right on JoannaB.

I didn't quite understand what you mean about we can't have peace until everyone can accept we have many names for God. Are you talking about names? Or belief systems? Because belief systems can cancel each other out and cause conflict with one another. But names can't.

I actually believe it is a bit of both, names and belief systems. I believe that since we are human beings and not Gods and thus fallible and not all knowing, I think there is some truth to different religions' beliefs - Christians are not necessarily more right than Muslims, even though I am a Christian that is what I believe. I believe that while there are actually absolute values but because of different people's and circumstances they may appear relative, and while I do believe there is one God, but I think God may not necessarily judge us based on our religious denomination but rather how good a person we are and part of that good I think/hope is greater tolerance. I once took a Philosophy of Eastern Religions class in college, taught by a Romanian Orthodox professor whose favorite word was Namaste and who tried to teach us common themes throughout different religious practices and to instill in us awe and respect for different beliefs. one of our fellow students recounted that she had travelled to China and visited a Buddhist temple thee, where the monks upon finding out that she and her husband had no religion, first tried to convert them to Buddhism but as that did not work, the Buddhist monks tried to convert this American couple to Christianity! why? because they believed that any religion was better than no religion.

I do see where you're coming from. But the Bible says that each individual will be judged not by their denomination, profession, or their their acts, but by the acceptance of a relationship with the acts of Jesus. I don't want to... put my foot in my mouth and call you something that you're not. But when you said liberal christian, and explained what you did just now, it seems like you're belief system would fit more approprietly as Syncretism. Syncretism is a more modernly accepted belief system that merges multiple religions into a new singular system, generally to negate the opposition they bring towards one another. While I do sympathize with that, I don't quite understand the logic behind it. Christianity along with a large percentage of other religions teach the exact opposite of the whole idea of corresponding with each other. Not on the terms of "My religion leads to heaven, and yours doesn't." but they all depict a different past, present and future. Some eternal, some not. Conceptually, most of of them are not working up to a goal similar to the others. It seems like there are too many variables to mix more than one belief system, without creating another one entirely. Belief systems that state they encorperate Christianity with any other religion, would technically be an oxymoron.

The book says that everything in it is true, so either it's all taken into account, or that system doesn't function as truth. What do you think about that?

Sorry for changing the subject everyone, my fault. If you guys wanted to add to the origional topic, please do.

Ah, see it is not that I personally am trying to syncretize (?) different religions and adjust my own faith to them. I am not.

Personally I am Christian. And yes, of course there are contradictions in different religions. However, I believe that the Bible was written by human beings and even if it had not been it would still be interpretted by human beings with our limited capacity to understand, our limited lnowledge, our limited ability to see another's point of view. Essentially I believe that no denomination and no religion really gets it all right. Now personally I follow Christianity, because that is my faith, and my best understanding of what God wants us to do.

However, I believe only God is all knowing and God is probably looking at all the different religions and saying, you all cannot get along because you believe that you are right and the others are wrong, but only God knows what really is right, and all humans can do is have faith that our best understanding of God's will gleaned from religious texts and prayer/meditation and/or doctrine is in some way a close enough approximation to the Truth. However, I believe it is arrogant for humans to believe that they are more right than other faiths. It is of course likely that some faiths are much more right than others:

personally I believe that there is only one God and that he was incarnate as Christ and that he is among us as the Holy Spirit, and that the Bible is the closest humanly written and interpretted by humans understanding of a lot of truths. However, what if I am wrong?

I acknowledge that I can be wrong, and that the Buddhists may be more right than me on some key issues. I believe that every major faith has a kernel of truth, gets some things right and others wrong, and only God knows what, and I believe we will luckily be judged someday by a God who is all loving and all understanding and is not biased and thus will not hold it against us that we were confused and misguided, but rather will judge us based on effort - how much effort we put into being the best we could be given our limitations.

Originally Posted by TiredPhil

Its is an awareness beyond the normal dream state.
You are fully awake, and can hear what is going on in the waking world. If some noise occurs, you hear it.
But at the same time you are asleep. No sight, and no images.
The choice to take notice of noise is yours
The choice to stay asleep is also there.
If I had to put a name to it, I would call it "Limbo"
Neither here, nor there, but both at the same time.

I think my explanations are going a little potty again, so I will leave it at that.

That is actually an easily understandable explanation. Doesn't matter how it sounds, explaining is to get your point across.

The way you explain it though sounds like the feelings I feel when losing an LD. I have all senses in both worlds and I have to try and choose the right one to go to or I just wake up. It would be interesting to choose that on purpose and might make it easier to choose the right body when trying to stay asleep. Sounds like a fun goal. I shall add it to my things to do.

Originally Posted by TiredPhil

Its is an awareness beyond the normal dream state.
You are fully awake, and can hear what is going on in the waking world. If some noise occurs, you hear it.
But at the same time you are asleep. No sight, and no images.
The choice to take notice of noise is yours
The choice to stay asleep is also there.
If I had to put a name to it, I would call it "Limbo"
Neither here, nor there, but both at the same time.

I think my explanations are going a little potty again, so I will leave it at that.

That is actually an easily understandable explanation. Doesn't matter how it sounds, explaining is to get your point across.

The way you explain it though sounds like the feelings I feel when losing an LD. I have all senses in both worlds and I have to try and choose the right one to go to or I just wake up. It would be interesting to choose that on purpose and might make it easier to choose the right body when trying to stay asleep. Sounds like a fun goal. I shall add it to my things to do.

I really like the idea of having some type of stable situation in my dreamworld. I got the idea (after years) but it came to me when I was playing Skyrim one day, I thought, I have so and so hours of play time on this game but yet I feel really attached to it. My dreamworld is there to explore and meet people in, if over time I could just get more and more powerful inside of my dreamworld, meeting interesting people on the way. Going through different quest type phases where you would discover the meaning behind different themes in your dreamworld.

I also like the idea of thinking of my dreamworld as a universe, but not just that, with different plains and places (heaven, hell, separate places within the same universe inaccessible without some type of teleportation) Then from there different planets and galaxies. There would be no limit to what you can discover, especially with your dreamguide or some other person that does it with you. You could be entertained every. Something happens and you can go seek out dream characters from past dreams to help you. I know this is far fetched and isn't really possible, but if I have some unobtainable goal that I can keep striving towards it can only get better.

More recently I thought of doing some type of huge battle/raid type things to inspire me. If I found some forgotten kingdom and had to help the people that lived there protect themselves from a massive orc raid with dragons and the whole deal. I'm sure that would give me some insight as to how I would like things to go in the future of my dreamworld.

Other than that stuff though, I think I'd be content just exploring what I already have in front of me. Taking the dream from where it starts and just figuring out what to do from there.

I also love the idea of not just having god powers, but more having some sort of restraints in certain dreams. You'll watch a movie with characters trying to survive a zombie apocalypse, I thought to myself, I could set up movie type things where I was the protagonist along with my dreamguide or something.

My final answer: I WANT TO TRY EVERYTHING! Discover, explore, have fun, meet interesting people.

So, I've decided on a new goal. I tried it out last night with minimum success. I'm going to try to gain control over the dialation of time that goes on while I dream. I want to have more time there, and I think I might possibly be on the right track to finding out how. I'll let you guys know more about what happen last night when I get back this evening. If you've ever had any experiences with time dialation while sleeping, do tell.

Anything ever happen like, you wake up feeling like you haven't slept at all even thought the night has gone by? Or have any of you stayed in a dream far longer than you felt that you should have?

Lately I have had the goal of creating an alter ego, namely myself as the opposite gender. I have started three related journals (one for dreams, another for ideas, and the third for fantasies), a sketchbook (to design exactly what I want to look like, my mannerisms, styles, body, ect.), and voice recorder (to learn falsetto talking and singing, simply so it feels natural to use the voice in a dream).

Lot's of ideas on what I can use this for, the most realistic is an animated series about my life in the dream world. Although I'm also working on astral projection, and non-invasive cyborg imagination recording.


the following link is something I have been using to practice for this goal, the next step is actually being able to act it out as an externally perceivable thing.

http://www.dreamviews.com/attaining-...day-dream.html

Though I also want to live this life during lucid dreams.

I had an LD one time where I was on a hill top retreat and in the distance was the most beautiful rainbow waterfall. I was going to fly there but didnt stay in dream land long enough. Would like to finish that!

I would eventually like to be able to achieve Lucidity nightly.

I have this idea of a place I can continually return to. A never ending hallway with doors on either side leading off into infinity. Every door leads some where else - another building, another planet, another universe. Anywhere.

I had an LD one time where I was on a hill top retreat and in the distance was the most beautiful rainbow waterfall. I was going to fly there but didnt stay in dream land long enough. Would like to finish that!