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      What is your end turn goals for lucid dreaming?

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      Something I always think about, is what if one day I completely master lucid dreaming. I do plan to get there, but I'm so far at the moment. Where would that bring me? What would I do with it? It keeps me thinking for days, of all the endless potential brought by it. A lot of my idea's I've realized are absolutely unrealistic but interesting, no less. Lucid dreaming more and more often, I think has been helping me form realistic fun ideas. Better ideas, even. I've been talking to people I know about this and I thought I'd try to start a thread to get a bigger picture idea about what other people intend. If you had completely focused control over your lucid dreams consistantly, what would you do each time you went to sleep?

      Maybe even; How? or Why?

      Give it a thought. If you can think of some good ideas, write them down! I'm sure a lot of you already have things you work on in your head in good preparation.


      Before I end the post I wanted to start off I guess, by saying what my favorite goal is.

      Mine is to sit somewhere ordinary; and calmly feel my surrounding. I want to have a good amount of wind. The wind would have to be a little bit cold. Then I want it to become bright and allow me to see everything clearly. Maybe I'll be outside a building with some people, maybe a bus stop, or a trip to the mountains. Maybe the Grand Canyon or something, whatever. I'd want it to be as real as it could possible get, to resemble waking life. The more realistic they feel the better, right?
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      No one really knows since none has ever completely mastered Lucid Dreaming.

      No one knows what we will be able to do if we achieve this.

      Our mind is a place unknown for us, as we continue learning though, we will continue finding out more stuff we can do.
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      I'm sure by mastering he means that you can achieve lucidity by will every night and have long and stable dreams. I'd live a life in a different world every night, twice the amount of experiences until you die ftw!
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      I like the idea of going to different worlds. I don't want to go to the same place every night, but I want to go to a place constantly and have friends that I see there. Have an extremely long adventure and have a good time. lather rinse and repeat. Having different realms and having some people that can come to any of the realms with me, but most people would only stay in their realm. I have a bunch of rules for how this whole thing works and I am working on setting up a base that will be where I leave my items, friends, and teleportation devices to get to the other realms. So when I begin a LD I just have to go there and then decide what I feel like doing.

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      For me, i am thinking about living/going to some interesting worlds and having fun adventures, possibly some video game related worlds as well, plus also mastering transformation abilities.

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      I would like to re-visit a lot of places from very old lucid and non-lucid dreams I had long ago, and check out if things have changed (most probably) or not, then take back a lot of fresh ideas to work with during my waking life.
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      Try meditating while in a lucid state.
      Not meditating on a particular subject, but on nothing.
      Let your mind go blank. No thoughts, no emotions.
      You will go to a place with no light whatsoever. Totally black. No vision. No hearing.
      Just a very slight breeze on your face. You are aware that you are asleep. You are fully aware of your body, but you are not awake.
      Very peacefull place to be, unless you are afraid of the dark.
      Only managed this twice, but the experience is what you might call blissfull.

      I do hope others have had this experience already, or I may sound like a nutter.

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      I'm sorry about that. I was using the word 'master' very liberally. I did actually just mean the ability to control when you have lucid dreams, and how you have lucid dream. To an ON DEMAND extent almost. lol. And wow. I'm definitely going to agree on the visiting other worlds deal. Then BrandonBoss's idea about having like... dream characters that would co-exist in designated places that could accompany you, F yeah.

      I'm still trying to think of some good ones. Just throughing out, go ahead and post as many idea's as you'd like if they change. No need to stay at one, mine go through changes and phases all the time. Then the amount of feedback that'll come through, I'm sure after awhile of our collected ideas will help each other's evolve. Last thing, Phil. That sounds pretty sweet. I'm not afraid of the dark, but I do appreciate a good scene. I'd enjoy most of that, the meditating, in a quiet dim place. Very interesting idea though. Next time you lucid dream, maybe just sit down and close your eyes. The rest I'm pretty sure you've imagined and would come naturally. Maybe I'll give it a try.
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      I think I would use my unlimited lucid dreams on demand to redefine myself: first I would try out different personas and see who I like to be the most, and then once I found one that I liked a lot, I would choose in my dreams to become her, and in the process my waking self would hopefully become more like her because I would build good habits through my lucid dreams.

      I don't know for sure yet, since it would require some self-experimentation, but I think my ideal dream self would have to be very self-assured and comfortable with herself; she would be less tired, have better memory, less likely to complain, a better listener, and less talkative and more concise (so that if she said something, each word would count), and less self-focused and more compassionate, and paying more attention to the world around her instead of to her iPhone or daydreaming. Did I mention that she would not have self-esteem issues? Lol
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      Sounds like something you should work out IWL. What I try to do is to try and change at least one big thing a month and try harder to be the person you want to be. So at the beginning of the month I go through my budget for the month, then go through what I wish to do this month with my time (goals). What one thing I want to change (this list is looooong, I am a flawed human. ). Then dream goals. This takes less time when you have everything set up.

      I also would love to experiment with my mind and change things in waking life through the dream. I need more exp though.

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      Nerq, this is the question to ask. I have been pondering this myself in the last few days as well. Here, I have to agree with Savsal14, that we are full of unknown uncharted territories and who knows what we may learn and be able to do? I can only set some intermediate goals, because who knows what I will be when I get there (if I do get there). I have the feeling that there is a much deeper continuity to what we are, and I would like to get to explore this.

      If I had to put it as an intermediate goal 1: expand self-knowledge. There were rare moments in few LDs, when I have come to touch upon the vague memory of a greater continuity, as if I am not a person, but the dust of some distant star that has been forever in the universe. I have tried to concentrate on this feeling to get some more info from it but it is very hard. Hopefully, that doesn't sound too crazy. This is a rather difficult way to extract knowledge from an LD. A more direct one would be through talking to DCs. Some of the conversations you have with DCs are full of unbelievable insights, knowledge about yourself and the world, you never suspected was there. I want to be able to recall those conversations better. Quite often, I have the feeling that I have learned something so great and important, yet can't recall a single word of my special dream conversations.

      Finally, my intermediate dreamgoal2: Exploration and fun. I can never get enough of the beautiful sceneries that I have witnessed in dreams. There is so much more to see, and even mundane things can be extraordinary cool. While IRL you barely notice an object in a dream it can become a whole universe full of secrets. And exploring the human world doesn't have to be the end of the adventure. Learning to see the world through the eyes of an animal, or experiencing their life from an entirely different perspective. Finally, I am looking forward to being able to dream with others and sharing LD insights. Oh, I think I got carried away...
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      Fun idea!

      Let your mind go blank. No thoughts, no emotions.
      You will go to a place with no light whatsoever. Totally black. No vision. No hearing.
      Just a very slight breeze on your face. You are aware that you are asleep. You are fully aware of your body, but you are not awake.
      Very peacefull place to be, unless you are afraid of the dark.
      Only managed this twice, but the experience is what you might call blissfull.
      I've managed that state a couple times as well, it was really life changing for me. Just like you said, blissful, nothingness or emptiness. Kinda like a pure state.

      My goal is to transcend suffering, and maintain longer periods of equanimity. So exploring my subconscious and interacting with my subconscious, and working on finding out the roots of my suffering, then dealing with it in an appropriate manner. I'm interested in pushing myself, I'd like to be able to master attaining lucid dreaming, or lucid state. I'd like to revisit the almost universal consciousness(it was more like a small group) experience I had awhile ago, aside from that IDK. Redefine my existence, not sure what that will mean, but I know what it doesn't mean.
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      My number 1 goal overall is to make my late night lucid dreams last and remain stable for around 45 minutes. But to answer about WHAT I would do in those 45 minutes is tricky because there are so many possibilities, the only limit is truly my imagination.
      Perhaps after awhile I would attempt to become a god of my own little universe that I construct and maintain night after night. It would be difficult to remember most of the details obviously and I would have to accept that the universe would lack little details that ma have been there the nigth before but I'd try my best to keep it accurate (It would also be much smaller than a real universe for practicality xD). I may invent other rival Gods from time to time to battle and test my abilities against and ofcourse to reaffirm my position as the most powerful being in my universe xD.
      My Lucid Dreaming Motto - "I have walked upon the the surface of a burning star. Observed events so infinitesimal and instantaneous that they can barely be described as having occurred at all. You... you're just a dream character. And this world's most powerful dream character poses no more threat to me than it's smartest cupcake." - Dr. Manhattan (kinda)

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      Quote Originally Posted by OneofMany View Post
      Fun idea!


      I've managed that state a couple times as well, it was really life changing for me. Just like you said, blissful, nothingness or emptiness. Kinda like a pure state.

      My goal is to transcend suffering, and maintain longer periods of equanimity. So exploring my subconscious and interacting with my subconscious, and working on finding out the roots of my suffering, then dealing with it in an appropriate manner. I'm interested in pushing myself, I'd like to be able to master attaining lucid dreaming, or lucid state. I'd like to revisit the almost universal consciousness(it was more like a small group) experience I had awhile ago, aside from that IDK. Redefine my existence, not sure what that will mean, but I know what it doesn't mean.
      Any chance of expanding on your "group experience"

      Might be a good idea for another thread on here.

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      Quote Originally Posted by TranquilityTrip
      My number 1 goal overall is to make my late night lucid dreams last and remain stable for around 45 minutes.
      Can i ask why stop at 45 minutes? It's pretty much possible to have lucid dreams that last much, much, much longer than that.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Checker666 View Post
      Can i ask why stop at 45 minutes? It's pretty much possible to have lucid dreams that last much, much, much longer than that.
      Well, to be honest, I've never heard of a dream lasting anywhere beyond 50 minutes. And as far as I know, even the longest REM cycles don't last more than 60 - 70 minutes. (This is ignoring any theories on time dilation)
      If I am wrong however, I would glady push my 45 minute goal to over 1 hour xD
      My Lucid Dreaming Motto - "I have walked upon the the surface of a burning star. Observed events so infinitesimal and instantaneous that they can barely be described as having occurred at all. You... you're just a dream character. And this world's most powerful dream character poses no more threat to me than it's smartest cupcake." - Dr. Manhattan (kinda)

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      I have had non-lucid dream that lasted roughly a week of dream time, and i became lucid for a while near the end of it, so i know it's possible. Dreams usually last much longer than REM cycles they happen in.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Checker666 View Post
      I have had non-lucid dream that lasted roughly a week of dream time, and i became lucid for a while near the end of it, so i know it's possible. Dreams usually last much longer than REM cycles they happen in.
      Well, what your describing has to do with time dilation. Dream time dilation is a very controversial topic and it has never been proven to be real. That isn't to say it isn't, but for you to experience things in one night that you would experience in 1 week would require you brain to go to absolulte overdrive. Your brain would probably over heat trying to fire neurons at the speed you would need to experience that much stuff in such little time. And it's because of the controversial and unproven nature of dream time dilation that I specified that I wouldn't count it.
      But who knows, maybe it's possible, but I doubt it.
      P.S. I think we are getting a tad bit off topic (not a lot but enough to mention it), lets try to get it back on track
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      Quote Originally Posted by Checker666 View Post
      I have had non-lucid dream that lasted roughly a week of dream time, and i became lucid for a while near the end of it, so i know it's possible. Dreams usually last much longer than REM cycles they happen in.
      I had an LD like that too. It is the craziest thing ever. It isn't like "oh the last ten minutes were fake" it is "the last two weeks were fake!"

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      Quote Originally Posted by BrandonBoss View Post
      I had an LD like that too. It is the craziest thing ever. It isn't like "oh the last ten minutes were fake" it is "the last two weeks were fake!"
      Anyone watch Dallas and Dynasty TV series. My mom used to be an avid viewer when I was a kid, and I remember one season one of the actors who had left in a previous season wanted to come back, so they said that the entire season had been this character's wife's dream.
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      I'm reading most of your conversation about dreams altering your perseption of time. I've wondered this a lot. Sometimes I can imagine it happening, sometimes I can't really. I think that sometimes, my mind convinces me that so much time has gone by because of a stray thought that goes into my mind. Along with it might be a story in my dream that unfolds the feeling or just the a thought coming from the dark point of sleep where thoughts go by without you noticing them.

      I'll think for some reason, "Oh my gosh, it feels like I've been sleeping for days." But, sometimes I'll remember a dream that supposedly took place over the line of two days, but throughout the days there were lots of blank spots in time. Or sometimes I just can't remember why I think that. It just feels like it. I think that sometimes, just an ambient thought of time dialation passes through our sleeping mind.

      And basically, the sleeping mind allows the brain to experience thought to a greater intensity, with less control. But it can literally form the perceptions of things and happenings in front of your minds eye that decieves you of what's happening in real life. I would be interested to know if it were possible though. I'll keep an eye out.
      We may guess that in dreams life, matter, and vitality, as the earth knows such things, are not necessarily constant; and that time and space do not exist as our waking selves comprehend them. Sometimes I believe that this less material life is our truer life, and that our vain presence on the terraqueous globe is itself the secondary or merely virtual phenomenon." H.P. Lovecraft

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      Quote Originally Posted by Nerq View Post
      I'm reading most of your conversation about dreams altering your perseption of time. I've wondered this a lot. Sometimes I can imagine it happening, sometimes I can't really. I think that sometimes, my mind convinces me that so much time has gone by because of a stray thought that goes into my mind. Along with it might be a story in my dream that unfolds the feeling or just the a thought coming from the dark point of sleep where thoughts go by without you noticing them.

      I'll think for some reason, "Oh my gosh, it feels like I've been sleeping for days." But, sometimes I'll remember a dream that supposedly took place over the line of two days, but throughout the days there were lots of blank spots in time. Or sometimes I just can't remember why I think that. It just feels like it. I think that sometimes, just an ambient thought of time dialation passes through our sleeping mind.

      And basically, the sleeping mind allows the brain to experience thought to a greater intensity, with less control. But it can literally form the perceptions of things and happenings in front of your minds eye that decieves you of what's happening in real life. I would be interested to know if it were possible though. I'll keep an eye out.
      In my mind it makes sense because of how fast or slow time flows at any given time. Now take away clocks and the sun (enter dream) and how fast does time "seem" to move? Time is relative to the person experiencing it.

      I am not just going off of straight "facts" here. I have woken up after weeks of dreaming. In fact last night I had 2 weeks at one place (just woke up) and some peoples that I trust a lot (I am probably just too prone to trust people, but they seem legit) are able to dilate time in LDs. One at any time, the other it is more of an accident and he said he spent 2 years in his LD. He said that he didn't live through every moment, but he lived through enough that it had to be a looking time. He said that when he woke up in his real bed he was confused. Kind of crazy story.

      Good luck on your look for it. It is definitely one of my long term goals.

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      The problem that we have here, not we in particular, but man today is that we still don't know what "time" is. Science has developed so fast in the last decades with all kinds of theories: relativity, multiple dimensions, string theory, quantum all trying to explain the nature of reality, all containing pieces of the truth, but we still can't for sure answer the most fundamental question "what is time"? Moreover, why do we perceive it going in only one direction, where physics tells us it can flow both ways. These are just important rhetorical Qs and I am not starting a discussion here. The only point I can really make is time is still a mystery and since dreaming is also a mystery, that is, we again have no solid proof if it is just in the brain, in another multiverse, an astral plane, etc., well then, anything is possible really, especially in dreams. We can only compare experiences, but after all, isn't science doing the same too, making general conclusions based on a limited number of experiments?

      The challenge we have, is to be able to accept, that multiple contradictory statements can all be true. Like for example, that time here flows in one direction, and in dreams it could be flowing both ways. My rational mind says that's not possible, things are either black or white, but my dreaming mind couldn't care less.
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      Any chance of expanding on your "group experience"

      Might be a good idea for another thread on here.
      Do you mean talk into detail more or asking others on how to expand on the "group experience" tips/techniques thing? I never thought about asking for help on how to expand that experience, cool idea. Thanks! If it's in regards to expand on details, sure, when I have time to sit later.

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      Having only recently started exploring LD, I guess I have some very straightforward goals:

      1) Be able to use my dreams for emotional and psychological development and healing
      2) Explore the limits of my consciousness
      3) Increase my spiritual and mystical awareness
      4) Have fun
      5) See if it is possible to share dreams or affect someone else's dreams (already had an indication that this may be possible)
      6) See if I can extend my conscious perception outside the confines of my physical body
      7) Explore another part of life
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