That’s an interesting question, neo.
There was a time in my life when I was very lucid, very often (and was also finding some success in OBEs), but I can't say I'd ever achieved absolute 100% clarity-wise, nor control.
(and that goes for both LDs and OBEs)…. Hell, come to think of it, I can't even say that I've meditated or done yoga with 100% clarity, at least for very long.
Although I'll be patiently awaiting responses from the "other side," meanwhile, I do wonder if it is ever possible to truly capture the same essence in dream-world as the physical plane(?) There are laws on each plane and I’m not saying they can’t be broken or bent, but….there do seem to be certain universal laws in play.
Obviously the physical plane has them and they take the form of: energy, oxygen and gravity to only name a few.
No researchers (that I can find) really seem to agree as to whether the "dreaming plane" is of the same substance as the "astral plane" (and maybe LDing is purely within the more recently identified plane: “etheric”) some researchers seem to think that your dream state is more like an OBE (again Etheric) until you "make the shift" and then enter the astral, with designs on going further. So, in that instance there seems to be an additional plane of recognizable existence for dreaming. (beyond the standard 7 that appear through esoteric and religious texts. So, I suppose in layers it is: Physical – Dreaming (Etheric) – Astral – Mental – Unity, etc.
I think it's generally agreed that the "dreaming plane" is not automatically of this earth, until you decide it is. So, what I'm trying to say is; the possibility seems remote to actually create life on earth (off earth) because the entire idea behind high recall and dreaming consciously is to "escape" (for lack of a better word) this physical plane and its many "trappings" Ie; limitations.
So, since you are LDing and since that means you have no limitations, (I wonder) how it could ever truly feel or look life-like(?) That would seem to undermine LDs entire essence.
And if one was to master manipulation of the physical world (usually for one’s own benefit) from any other plane (remote viewing, astral projection, OBEs, channeling, etc.) than the prevailing thought is that you’d either be in some state of “trance” (again for lack of a better word) or dreaming and therefore would be operating within the “laws” of that space.
And then, if you delve even deeper into the literature, (some of which is on this plane; and others texts are elsewhere) than you might find the theory that we're trying to harness control in our dreams in order to practice the abilities we wish/plan/want/already have on the physical plane.
That is, the argument that there is only this moment (but there are at least 7 connected other selves on the other planes all operating at once but in sync) and whether we realize it or not - we're ALWAYS controlling every aspect of each dream we have (just as we have full control of our everyday goings on) – I know it “feels” like we’re trying to lucid dream (because we’re following steps and putting in effort, but the fact is; we are all doing it already, - it's only realization.....reMEMBERing what we already have the ability to do. Here, now......
…now,.....I'm rambling. :p
As I said, I'm curious about what others can share about actually attempting or succeeding in making the dreamworld look, feel and operate like the physical plane.
Have a great day!
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