Thread: LD without dreaming

Well I think a daydream would be pretty close, if you got deep into it but I don't think you could recreate the realism of LDing with the possible exception of VR technologies far in the future.

Well, technically if you did a WILD in the afternoon, you wouldnt really be sleeping so much as entering in a very relaxed state directly into the LD.

Drugs?

Originally Posted by Saizaphod

Drugs?

Actually this is it probably.

I would've hoped for something besides drugs. Maybe start from a daydream and from there make the transition to LD. And if you try wo WILD in the afternoon how long will it take becase in my case it takes quite a time even during the night after I've allready slept a few hours?

Ok, seriously I think it's not possible. It's lucid DREAM. That's what it's about, controlling your dream or being aware of it. Real life when being awake is a different state. You can daydream of course and that's probably the closest thing to it. In fact there are actually closer mind states to it, people commonly call them mental illnesses.

sadly I don't not think this is possible, Lucid dreaming is emergent and derived from the REM neurophysiological configuration. If normal dreaming lets say is comprised of A,B,C,D, and E, then Lucid dreaming consists in these plus F,G, and H. So Lucid dreaming can only exist with your typical dream neurological correlates as its foundation, being a efflorescence of normal dreaming.

One thing that does come to mind, I do recall reading that highly advanced meditators, usually those using the subtle techniques which produce theta waves, often have out of body experiences, sometimes consciously induced through some method specific for the purpose or they can happen spontaneously. These people could not be said to be asleep, nor could they be said to be 'awake' in the traditional sense either, the meditative state is a distinct kind of psychological and neurological state all its own, even if it uses normal waking consciousness as its starting point.