Thread: How to awaken during sleep for obe4u method / what to do mentally while awake

Originally Posted by MoonageDaydream

Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming by Stephen Laberge, Howard Rheingold.

Which part(s)?

Thanks.

Originally Posted by luffy28

Which part(s)?

Thanks.

Sure. Chapters 1-3 are the most important parts for learning how to lucid dream and increasing your chances. After that he goes into more advanced techniques (like WILD), and then into what you can do with lucid dreaming. The whole is great, and I recommended reading the whole thing. You will find that the act of reading about lucid dreaming increases your chances of becoming lucid. Also, just so you know, there's an audiobook version. If your local library uses Hoopla, you can get it for free through their online website. You just need a library card. Also, you can visit the thread on the book, as it was the book club's selection just a few months ago.

Here's the thread: https://www.dreamviews.com/general-l...r-october.html

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Originally Posted by MoonageDaydream

Sure. Chapters 1-3 are the most important parts for learning how to lucid dream and increasing your chances. After that he goes into more advanced techniques (like WILD), and then into what you can do with lucid dreaming. The whole is great, and I recommended reading the whole thing. You will find that the act of reading about lucid dreaming increases your chances of becoming lucid.

Though I agree with everything else, I must take exception with one thing: WILD is not an advanced technique. Indeed, it isn't a technique at all, but the name for the transition to LD that happens when you don't lose track of your waking-life self-awareness as you fall asleep and enter a dream (as opposed to DILD, where you do lose track of it, and regain it during the dream). The techniques are the things you do, like WBTB, to induce or encourage a WILD, and I believe that those techniques are no more difficult (and often way easier), than the techniques meant to induce DILD's (like MILD). The myth that WILD's are harder than DILD's to achieve is just that; myth.

So read on, Luffy, LaBerge's whole book is worth your time.

Just sayin'

Originally Posted by Sageous

Though I agree with everything else, I must take exception with one thing: WILD is not an advanced technique. Indeed, it isn't a technique at all, but the name for the transition to LD that happens when you don't lose track of your waking-life self-awareness as you fall asleep and enter a dream (as opposed to DILD, where you do lose track of it, and regain it during the dream). The techniques are the things you do, like WBTB, to induce or encourage a WILD, and I believe that those techniques are no more difficult (and often way easier), than the techniques meant to induce DILD's (like MILD). The myth that WILD's are harder than DILD's to achieve is just that; myth.

So read on, Luffy, LaBerge's whole book is worth your time.

Just sayin'

He's right, I always forget WILD isn't actually a technique, but a type of lucid dream. Still, you use techniques to have a WILD, and he has a chapter on that. I do think, though, that WILDs are harder for me than DILDs. And also, DEILD is easier for me. But everyone is different.

Originally Posted by MoonageDaydream

He's right, I always forget WILD isn't actually a technique, but a type of lucid dream. Still, you use techniques to have a WILD, and he has a chapter on that. I do think, though, that WILDs are harder for me than DILDs. And also, DEILD is easier for me. But everyone is different.

I am going to agree with you in principle. Me and Sageous have been at this stuff longer than half of you have been alive and it is easy to forget what the first 5 years is like. DILD can be achieved simply by becoming fascinated with dreaming and starting to question your state of consciousness. WILD however requires a shift in head space akin to yogic meditation. That is a whole skill set that needs learned. Now in Sageous' favor, once you have gotten good at both WILD may in fact be easier. I say that because if you get up to a 1 in 4 success rate and try a couple times a night you get lots of results, as where DILD is kind of up to chance.