Thread: OOBE's proved wrong

Originally Posted by TheMoon

No i was awake, i know the difference between a false awaking and being awake.

Ive been having lucid dreams and false awakenings my whole life.

I was awake in the real world and felt my spirit leaving my body.

You of course don't have to believe me, but anyone who has had a OBE will know this to be true

Another thing, when your in a False Awaking, you think your really awake in real life at that time. However, when you wake up you realize that it was just a FA....

If it was just a FA i had, i would not be talking in this thread right now.



Well we shouldn't keep going on believing in a false reality just because we don't want to rewrite the science books to express the truth rather then false facts.



It doesn't matter either way if i'm wrong or right, the worlds still turning, and one day we will all be dead. So its better now to learn about whats going to happen when we die, then to live in ignorance and never learn what may be, until its too late to learn anymore.

Ignorance is bliss, until the box you put yourself in falls apart, and your not ready to accept what is really true and what really is not true.

I don't know for a fact if we have spirits or not. But i feel its ignorant to think that's its not a possibility. And to dismiss what everyone says just because you don't want the box you built around yourself to fall down

How rude of you to assume i dismiss what everyone says, or that i am "in a box"

Actually i'd give anything for such things to be true.
HOWEVER. I want the way i see the world to be based on facts and truth.
If something i want to believe in turns out to be false, im willing to move on and let it go, not to try and make the world fit my view.

I am 40 years old. For my whole life i've studied these sorts of things.
I have yet once to have found anything that even comes close to evidence of these things being true.

Yes there are plenty of stories.
But almost all of them fall apart when you scratch the surface.

I'd rather live in a world of reality than a world of fantasy, that's why i keep asking questions, i want to get to the bottom of it.
If there is another realm beyond death, then brilliant i'll be the happiest person alive. I will not however, accept dodgey facts, or just "faith"

If there were some kind of OBE experience, why do we not see it in the natural world?
Wouldn't it be a massive evolutionary advantage for a hunter or prey to be able to astral travel and see where its prey is before it hunts?
Everything else in nature that has a use has been taken advantage of by evolution. Yet i dont see any psychic lions.

Oddly enough. What you don't know is that i have had a full scale OBE in my life (back when i was 25).
It wasnt just waking up from a dream. It occured during surgery gone wrong (car crash), and i was actually clinically dead for about a minute.
Utterly convincing in every respect. However when i double checked things i'd "seen" out of the body. I discovered they were false
So don't try and tell me that just by having an experience it'll convince you.
It felt utterly real, I belived it to be true. However i took the time to investigate it, and the facts didn't hold up. I had to rethink what had happened to me.
I still don't have an answer, but im more convinced it was some kind of mental phenomena. After all where do you think you experience "waking life" anyway? it's all just processed in your mind. The convincing reality you are seeing right now, is actually your minds model of it.

Also, later in life i experienced a chemical used by shamans in the amazons, which gave me an identical experience to my out of body experience. Again completely convincing. I do wonder how a chemical can effect the "soul" i know for sure it effects the processing of the mind.

So don't assume im closed minded just because i don't agree with you.
In fact im very open minded. I just rather that i dont fool myself by wishful thinking, and come away with solid hard facts. So that i can prove things to others. Not on faith, but on blatant facts. I've yet to find anythign that comes close.