Thread: Senses Initiated Lucid Dream (SSILD)

Alright boys, it's just a misunderstanding. Emotion is nearly impossible to read in a text-only post.

So, I also looked over that Chinese forum. Google Translate produces some fascinating results. It's amazing how metaphors don't translate well from one language to another.

Still, I could understand a lot from context, and their thread is just like ours. Some success stories, some half-success stories, and some failures. Apparently people dream the same all over the world, no surprise to anyone here.

I did notice there are only 232 posts in that thread, and even with a 50% success rate that wouldn't equal 'hundreds' of cases.

Who cares?!

CosmicIron, we appreciate your sharing this idea with this forum. Many people will find it beneficial.

For those that don't, no worries. We have a number of other methods in the WIKI and all over the forum. Nearly all of them are some variation of another method. What matters is what works for the individual to achieve good lucid dreaming results.


- No method guarantees success with every person.

- Not every person will lucid dream.

We are all here to make our best efforts. Let's all work towards that goal and be open to new ideas.

Originally Posted by melanieb

What matters is what works for the individual to achieve good lucid dreaming results.

- No method guarantees success with every person.

- Not every person will lucid dream.

We are all here to make our best efforts. Let's all work towards that goal and be open to new ideas.

Amen to that.

Originally Posted by melanieb

Alright boys, it's just a misunderstanding. Emotion is nearly impossible to read in a text-only post.

So, I also looked over that Chinese forum. Google Translate produces some fascinating results. It's amazing how metaphors don't translate well from one language to another.

Still, I could understand a lot from context, and their thread is just like ours. Some success stories, some half-success stories, and some failures. Apparently people dream the same all over the world, no surprise to anyone here.

I did notice there are only 232 posts in that thread, and even with a 50% success rate that wouldn't equal 'hundreds' of cases.

Who cares?!

CosmicIron, we appreciate your sharing this idea with this forum. Many people will find it beneficial.

For those that don't, no worries. We have a number of other methods in the WIKI and all over the forum. Nearly all of them are some variation of another method. What matters is what works for the individual to achieve good lucid dreaming results.


- No method guarantees success with every person.

- Not every person will lucid dream.

We are all here to make our best efforts. Let's all work towards that goal and be open to new ideas.

Thank you melaniebe for the clarification, which is sincere and with good intention, unlike some other previous posts. As for the thread let me clarify a little. The url points to a single thread which I started some time ago to collect first-time only success stories which are scattered all over the forum. The tieba platform is technically limited, thus it's search result only includes data from the first three months and the most recent three months. The rest of the data are simply omitted. As a result, by the time I decided to start that thread much of the information was already impossible to find. After collecting a couple of hundred cases we just gave up and stopped updating the thread diligently. As for repeated successes with SSILD we see them all over the place in the forum. In fact, one of the students alone recorded over 300 LDs in the past few months using Ssild. Another thing worth mention is that the thread is based on my personal tieba forum which has fewer than 2,000 members. These people followed me from the much larger lucid dream forum which now has over 70,000 members. A lot of information is deeply burried in that forum as well.

A random question; but CosmicIron, do you know if waking up naturally or by alarm would be better for SSILD?
(I know we've probably discussed this earlier on in the thread, but I guess I'm just refreshing my memory xD)

It's weird. When I wake up by alarm in the middle of the night I remain drowsy until I get back in bed, where I fall asleep when I hit the pillow. Without alarm, I'm able to actually walk around in some awareness and actually focus on something.

If naturally is the way to go, I'm having trouble waking up at a specific time. Do you think mantras would help in this case? Although, I find it hard for me to fall asleep at the beginning of the night with mantras, but that's just me.

Thanks.

Hmm. I'll try this tonight, you'll be getting the results tomorrow looks promising

Originally Posted by Sydney

A random question; but CosmicIron, do you know if waking up naturally or by alarm would be better for SSILD?
(I know we've probably discussed this earlier on in the thread, but I guess I'm just refreshing my memory xD)

It's weird. When I wake up by alarm in the middle of the night I remain drowsy until I get back in bed, where I fall asleep when I hit the pillow. Without alarm, I'm able to actually walk around in some awareness and actually focus on something.

If naturally is the way to go, I'm having trouble waking up at a specific time. Do you think mantras would help in this case? Although, I find it hard for me to fall asleep at the beginning of the night with mantras, but that's just me.

Thanks.

Usually when we wake up during REM we feel less drowsy. As for SSILD, if you find yourself having difficulty to complete the first couple of cycles then you are too tired to make it work. You would be better of going to sleep and do the exercise when you wake up again. I find no difference between using alarm and waking up naturally though.

Originally Posted by CosmicIron

Usually when we wake up during REM we feel less drowsy. As for SSILD, if you find yourself having difficulty to complete the first couple of cycles then you are too tired to make it work. You would be better of going to sleep and do the exercise when you wake up again. I find no difference between using alarm and waking up naturally though.

Ok

Originally Posted by WDr

Hmm. I'll try this tonight, you'll be getting the results tomorrow looks promising

They never report back tomorrow :/
Perhaps i will, or perhaps i will be too lazy to give the technique a proper shot. We will see.

Originally Posted by Freda

They never report back tomorrow :/

So sorry! I'm going to try the SSILD this night! Promise!

Just woke up, it didn't work didn't manage to consentrate and relax at the same time, and after I was done with the repetitions, I couldn't sleep... Oh well, I'm trying again tomorrow

For the past 2 days I have been adjusting this tech to my personal advantages.In these past 2 days i have gotten 3 lucid dreams and about 4-5 fa's,i really recommend anyone who is thinking of trying it to try it now!

Originally Posted by WDr

Just woke up, it didn't work didn't manage to consentrate and relax at the same time, and after I was done with the repetitions, I couldn't sleep... Oh well, I'm trying again tomorrow

You don't want to "concentrate" -- you will have hard time to fall asleep if you do that. The keys to make this technique work are:

1. Get plenty of sleep and wake yourself up sufficiently but not overly... I recommend 5 minutes for starter.
2. Do not concentrate on the effects/sensations. This is especially true with the first couple of cycles. As you enter the later cycles, some sensations may occur, but you should not pay too much attention to them unless they become very pronounced, in which case you should cease cycling and focus on increasing the sensation mentally in order to achieve a WILD.
3. Always remind yourself to do an RC upon awakening after doing the exercise no matter how certain you are. This technique is very good at producing extremely vivid FAs.

Tried again this night, and it didn't go so well after about 2 repetitions, my thoughts started wandering, and I didn't feel like I got any proper inputs from my eyes, ears and rest-of-body... Then I just fell asleep, and woke up many times...

EDIT:

Originally Posted by CosmicIron

This thecnique is very good at producing extremely vivid FAs.

Hmm... I may have got some FAs... When I think about it, I dreamed that I talked to a person about my dreams that I had that night. Don't remember if it was before of after I did the SSILD..

Originally Posted by WDr

Tried again this night, and it didn't go so well after about 2 repetitions, my thoughts started wandering, and I didn't feel like I got any proper inputs from my eyes, ears and rest-of-body... Then I just fell asleep, and woke up many times...

EDIT:
Hmm... I may have got some FAs... When I think about it, I dreamed that I talked to a person about my dreams that I had that night. Don't remember if it was before of after I did the SSILD..

It is okay to let the thoughts wander. That is the desired effect! You don't want to seek "proper inputs" from the sensory, just do the steps regardless of whether you experience any sensations. If you focus too much on the sensations you will lose sleep, besides, the first 2 cycles normally do not produce any sensations anyway. Also make sure you do the full 4 cycles.

Judging form your feedback, you were in and out of FAs numerous times Next time please remember to do RCs immediately after waking up, no matter how sure you are.

Ok, just read the whole thread (phew..) so I am trying this tonight for sure!

Originally Posted by isthisit

Ok, just read the whole thread (phew..) so I am trying this tonight for sure!

How did you get on?

Hey CosmicIron, I have been trying SSILD for a few nights. I am having trouble finding the "happy medium" between being too tired and not being sleepy. Also, even when I do find the right amount of tired-ness, it just doesn't seem to do anything. I don't know what I am doing wrong here. SSILD worked for me the first time I tried it, now I can't get it to do anything.

Originally Posted by DaveTheJoker

Hey CosmicIron, I have been trying SSILD for a few nights. I am having trouble finding the "happy medium" between being too tired and not being sleepy. Also, even when I do find the right amount of tired-ness, it just doesn't seem to do anything. I don't know what I am doing wrong here. SSILD worked for me the first time I tried it, now I can't get it to do anything.

Hi Dave,

You don't need to try deliberately to fall asleep. Doing that will have adverse effect. Treat the cycles as hypnosis (in fact it is), and allow that to bring you into the "trance". Many people, myself included, have discovered that the cycles can easily make us feel sleepy even when we were wide awake. That is, if you do them correctly. Too many people try to use the cycles as way to bring out HIs, vibrations, and etc., and while they occasionally may succeed, they are doing it wrong. Usually during the first couple of cycles, we are wide awake, and our mind haven't quieted down yet. As a result it is very unlikely we will feel anything at this stage, and if you force it, you will end up becoming anxious! Therefore, you should simply do the first couple of cycles as it is, without any attempt. Just do it for the sake of doing it, allow it help you to relax. As you become more relaxed, you will feel your mind quieting down, and you may begin to "notice" some sensations. For example, the darkness behind your closed eyelids may not be so dark. You may notice some lights, movements, etc. As you listen, you may notice that the outside environment noise become less distracting, and instead you start to hear the ringing noise inside your head more clearly. When you notice these sensations, don't get excited, and don't "focus" on them (unless suddenly they become very obvious). Just quietly observe them without any intent. Doing so will help you get into the trance very quickly.

Another thing you want to keep in mind is that SSILD is very good at producing FAs; therefore you need to develop the habit of doing RCs every time you wake up after the exercise. When you find yourself not being able to fall asleep, or repeatedly waking up, you should definitely do an RC since these are signs of FAs produced by SSILD.

If you post more detailed description on how you performed the technique I might be able to help you more. SSILD works! It has been a year since it was developed and we have seen huge successes, so even the slightest doubts have diminished. If it doesn't work for you, then it's something in your routine that needs some fixing. I'm here to help.

Originally Posted by CosmicIron

Hi Dave,

You don't need to try deliberately to fall asleep. Doing that will have adverse effect. Treat the cycles as hypnosis (in fact it is), and allow that to bring you into the "trance". Many people, myself included, have discovered that the cycles can easily make us feel sleepy even when we were wide awake. That is, if you do them correctly. Too many people try to use the cycles as way to bring out HIs, vibrations, and etc., and while they occasionally may succeed, they are doing it wrong. Usually during the first couple of cycles, we are wide awake, and our mind haven't quieted down yet. As a result it is very unlikely we will feel anything at this stage, and if you force it, you will end up becoming anxious! Therefore, you should simply do the first couple of cycles as it is, without any attempt. Just do it for the sake of doing it, allow it help you to relax. As you become more relaxed, you will feel your mind quieting down, and you may begin to "notice" some sensations. For example, the darkness behind your closed eyelids may not be so dark. You may notice some lights, movements, etc. As you listen, you may notice that the outside environment noise become less distracting, and instead you start to hear the ringing noise inside your head more clearly. When you notice these sensations, don't get excited, and don't "focus" on them (unless suddenly they become very obvious). Just quietly observe them without any intent. Doing so will help you get into the trance very quickly.

Another thing you want to keep in mind is that SSILD is very good at producing FAs; therefore you need to develop the habit of doing RCs every time you wake up after the exercise. When you find yourself not being able to fall asleep, or repeatedly waking up, you should definitely do an RC since these are signs of FAs produced by SSILD.

If you post more detailed description on how you performed the technique I might be able to help you more. SSILD works! It has been a year since it was developed and we have seen huge successes, so even the slightest doubts have diminished. If it doesn't work for you, then it's something in your routine that needs some fixing. I'm here to help.

This morning I attempted SSILD again. I woke up at 7:00AM after 6 hours of sleep. I stayed awake for about 20 minutes, walking around the house and such. I went back to bed already feeling tired, but not too tired as I couldn't get my repetitions completed. During the repetitions I felt eventually felt an odd feeling, but it wasn't very strong. I am not sure exactly how many I did, but I think I did at least 4. By then I was so tired that I stopped and rolled over and went to sleep. I woke up at 12:12PM remembering 3 dreams, none of them lucid.

The only slight trouble I have had performing the technique is that my eyes are very twitchy when I try to stare at my eyelids. My eyes refuse to cooperate and move around so I can't stare. I think this might be related to the fact that I have abnormally shaky hands, arms and such. Anyway, it is difficult to look at my eyelids when my eyes are zooming around in random directions, refusing to stay still. I am no sure how to make them stop, because thinking about it only seems to make it worse.

I was thinking maybe it is possible that I am having lucids/FA's and not remembering them, so I was thinking about setting an alarm maybe an hour after doing SSILD, what are your thoughts on that?

Thank you very much for your help and I know soon I will succeed with this technique.

Wow, great technique!! Thanks for all your work CosmicIron! I tried it last night for the first time and man, u weren't kidding about the FA's! My first attempt was looking at the blackness, which turned into a loud ringing noise, which then turned into a semi-lucid dream and ended. I blew it. The next awakening, same thing, stared at the blackness, saw a few stars start dancing around which then turned into me looking into a window and someone was painting cool pictures. I thought to myself "this is really weird, I must be phasing, but I feel too awake so it can't be" - I almost did a reality check, like u said to do, but I again dismissed it because I felt like it was probably nothing. - IDIOT!

I look forward to working on this technique and perfecting it! Thanks!

Hi, I just registered to try and get some help with this technique. So far, I've had no real success with it and I've done it for about a week. I start using it, and it works for a bit. I'll start seeing mental images, hearing sounds, etc. About the time I start getting anything close to a dream, I'll completely forget I was ever doing the techniques, fall asleep, which I thought was the idea...and nothing happens. The closest thing I've gotten to lucidity was a dream about me closing my window because it was cold when it was in fact cold because I left the window open.

What am I doing wrong? I'm not really concentrating on anything, I'm doing WBTB when I have a chance, but it doesn't work during the night or during daytime naps. I do leave a fan on in my room because I find it easier to fall asleep with white noise in the background. Is this okay, or should I learn to fall asleep without it? It's also not always completely dark when I go to sleep as my curtains don't block a lot of light.

Originally Posted by Wanderlust

Hi, I just registered to try and get some help with this technique. So far, I've had no real success with it and I've done it for about a week. I start using it, and it works for a bit. I'll start seeing mental images, hearing sounds, etc. About the time I start getting anything close to a dream, I'll completely forget I was ever doing the techniques, fall asleep, which I thought was the idea...and nothing happens. The closest thing I've gotten to lucidity was a dream about me closing my window because it was cold when it was in fact cold because I left the window open.

What am I doing wrong? I'm not really concentrating on anything, I'm doing WBTB when I have a chance, but it doesn't work during the night or during daytime naps. I do leave a fan on in my room because I find it easier to fall asleep with white noise in the background. Is this okay, or should I learn to fall asleep without it? It's also not always completely dark when I go to sleep as my curtains don't block a lot of light.

Please provide me with the following information:

1. What time did you go to sleep?
2. What time did you get up?
3. How long did you stay awake?
4. How many cycles did you perform before drifting to sleep?
5. How long did it take you to fall back sleep?
6. Roughly how long did you perform each step (see, hear, and feel)?

Originally Posted by CosmicIron

Please provide me with the following information:

1. What time did you go to sleep?
2. What time did you get up?
3. How long did you stay awake?
4. How many cycles did you perform before drifting to sleep?
5. How long did it take you to fall back sleep?
6. Roughly how long did you perform each step (see, hear, and feel)?

1. ~9 PM (Yeah, I know, I go to bed early.)
2. Set my alarm for 3 AM
3. Just long enough to use the restroom.
4. Maybe two or three.
5. Only a few minutes. The first time I did this, I lost sleep because I was concentrating too hard.
6. I performed them as long as it felt "right." Whatever felt like 15 seconds, I did. Could've been longer or shorter, I suppose, I wasn't paying attention.

Originally Posted by Wanderlust

1. ~9 PM (Yeah, I know, I go to bed early.)
2. Set my alarm for 3 AM
3. Just long enough to use the restroom.
4. Maybe two or three.
5. Only a few minutes. The first time I did this, I lost sleep because I was concentrating too hard.
6. I performed them as long as it felt "right." Whatever felt like 15 seconds, I did. Could've been longer or shorter, I suppose, I wasn't paying attention.

Based on your feedback, I think the cause is insufficient effort. Don't despair, this is better than the other way around actually My suggestions:

1. Extend your wake time, say, 5-10 minutes
2. Make sure you do the full four cycles. Rule of thumb is That after your mind begins to wander you should do at least 2 complete cycles. In your case that would be 4 or 5 cycles.
3. The last cycle must be performed more diligently.
4. The "feel right" approach is perfect. No need to change anything I guess for now.

Let's do this and see what happens. Keep me posted so we can adjust it to make it work for you. Good luck!