Thread: Dutchraptor's Deild Guide - Become an Ld god.

Argh how frustrasting, my alarm didn't wake me up
Guess I'll have to make it louder and try again tonight. It's funny, when I wasn't attempting to LD the days went so quick, and now it seems like night time will never come!

This is very difficult for me, since I tend to move when I wake up. But I hope that practicing and focussing on this technique will help me in time x3

Originally Posted by Ceridwen

This is very difficult for me, since I tend to move when I wake up.

Just don't give up, confidence is key!

Aww man. I remembered to stay still and I felt the vibrations but they weren't strong enough to put my body in SP. Most likely because while it was happening my mind was chattering. Should've suppressed it when it was happening. Anyway the odd thing was that while feeling the vibes I had this strange sensation that my tongue was sticking out onto my pillow but it wasn't.

Originally Posted by Daredevilpwn

Aww man. I remembered to stay still and I felt the vibrations but they weren't strong enough to put my body in SP. Most likely because while it was happening my mind was chattering. Should've suppressed it when it was happening. Anyway the odd thing was that while feeling the vibes I had this strange sensation that my tongue was sticking out onto my pillow but it wasn't.

You shouln't think about SP in DEILD, it will kick in anyway. There is a part about visualisation at the end of this guide. Using it correctly will get you into the dream quickly, as in a few seconds.

Good luck, Tucane

Originally Posted by Tucane

You shouln't think about SP in DEILD, it will kick in anyway. There is a part about visualisation at the end of this guide. Using it correctly will get you into the dream quickly, as in a few seconds.

Good luck, Tucane

Thanks. I suck at visualization though. I usually just roll out without visualizing anything and end up in my room. Before I do anything crazy I just want to practice simple things like grounding myself to stay in the dream longer and maintaining lucidity before I start exploring worlds besides my room. Next time I won't think about SP.

i have a question,
i understand that with auto suggestion it is not so much the words used as the meaning behind them, so it is usless unless you understand the meaning behind the words you are saying or the meaning you are intending.
and there is just one thing i dont understand about this auto suggestion "I will wake up after my dream",
does it mean i will wake up after every dream? or my first dream, or any dream?

i'm still going on with this method! Still on waking up without moving / opening eyes stage. Hope I progress tonight.

Originally Posted by Qwer

i have a question,
i understand that with auto suggestion it is not so much the words used as the meaning behind them, so it is usless unless you understand the meaning behind the words you are saying or the meaning you are intending.
and there is just one thing i dont understand about this auto suggestion "I will wake up after my dream",
does it mean i will wake up after every dream? or my first dream, or any dream?

My sentence for autosuggestion is "I will wake up when I dream" and it only happens once. Not after every single dream. I do always forget not move though

Originally Posted by enak101

any experience with creating a new dream scene in your head dutchraptor?

I wrote this guide telling people to re-enter dreams but it honestly never happens to me. I start out trying to remember a certain scene but I just end up thinking of something else and then I enter that. What wroks well is visualizing to people fighting, It doesn't even matter if what they are saying doesn't make sense as long as they are arguing because it is easy to visualize.

Originally Posted by Kaffy

Argh how frustrasting, my alarm didn't wake me up
Guess I'll have to make it louder and try again tonight. It's funny, when I wasn't attempting to LD the days went so quick, and now it seems like night time will never come!

Yup I know the feeling, for the last few days my alarm hasn't wealking me up and it's agonizing .

Originally Posted by Qwer

i have a question,
i understand that with auto suggestion it is not so much the words used as the meaning behind them, so it is usless unless you understand the meaning behind the words you are saying or the meaning you are intending.
and there is just one thing i dont understand about this auto suggestion "I will wake up after my dream",
does it mean i will wake up after every dream? or my first dream, or any dream?

I usually think about walking up after every dream. I'm not great at walking up at night because my bed times are kinda irregular, so not much info I can give, sorry. Porbably works best if you just have a mantra about walking up throughout the night multiple times.

hey dutch. sorry to be a bother but could you link me to a free iphone auto shutoff alarm clock? my browser is being stupid and won't let me go to the earlier pages.

Originally Posted by bobberski

hey dutch. sorry to be a bother but could you link me to a free iphone auto shutoff alarm clock? my browser is being stupid and won't let me go to the earlier pages.

if you search in the app store "alarm clock sleep music" then the first one that comes up should be the 12.24 one, thats the one i used to use and it works well.

Originally Posted by bobberski

My sentence for autosuggestion is "I will wake up when I dream" and it only happens once. Not after every single dream. I do always forget not move though

so you think it is better to suggest waking up when you dream, instead of after? or it doesnt matter?
and i had that problem of moveing to but what i did was self hypnosis and just suggested things like i will stay still, i will deild, deilds are easy and i have them often. just all that good stuff that will help you. and i have only done it once since then but i didnt even have to try stay still, like before i would have to try catch myself and stop myself before i moved, now i just sub consciously stay still.

Ahar, PROGRESSION. I used the mantra "After I wake up from my dreams, I will become aware." It worked.

Originally Posted by Qwer

so you think it is better to suggest waking up when you dream, instead of after? or it doesnt matter?

I really don't think it matters much because you'll still be remembering the dream. I tried "after i dream" and it didn't work for some reason but "when I dream" did. sooo I guess it's really just what works best for each person.

Arghh for some reason, I did exactly the same violent movement (kicking out my legs) every awakening, and it shocked me awake. Will try DEILD again tommorow

tried this last night for the first time and worked very well, ive been LDing since i was very young though without knowing that other people could do it till recently so its always been more of a natural thing, it didnt take but 1 minute after i heard the alarm just layed there and let myself drift back out to dreamland and took off into space cause naturally flying is the best...., thanks for the idea!!! keep em coming!

Originally Posted by VictoReverie

Arghh for some reason, I did exactly the same violent movement (kicking out my legs) every awakening, and it shocked me awake. Will try DEILD again tommorow

Lets hope it goes well

Originally Posted by bendreaming

tried this last night for the first time and worked very well, ive been LDing since i was very young though without knowing that other people could do it till recently so its always been more of a natural thing, it didnt take but 1 minute after i heard the alarm just layed there and let myself drift back out to dreamland and took off into space cause naturally flying is the best...., thanks for the idea!!! keep em coming!

That is epic, well done .

Hey I have another question. After "failing" a DEILD attempt eg. not getting into the dream scene within one minute, whats the best thing to do? I've done WBTB+MILD before, but of course I wont do that with every awakening. It feels like a "waste" to use my awakenings just falling back to sleep normally. Does continuing to DEILD for a while eg. 5 minutes work. Can you WILD straight from waking up (without spending 5 minutes awake)? Or is there some other way to make use of the awakening

So I woke up at night without meaning to because I think my mantra is in me now lol. Anyway I forgot about DEILDing again but just for a second. I opened my eyes all confused for a second then closes them remembering why I had to do. Does moving slightly like that still ruin your chances because I'm pretty sure I felt what you described should have happened. I tried visualizing but I was slipping on and out of sleep. I thought of "rolling out" into the dreamworld but I felt really tired so I assumed I wouldn't be in a dream...

Originally Posted by VictoReverie

Hey I have another question. After "failing" a DEILD attempt eg. not getting into the dream scene within one minute, whats the best thing to do? I've done WBTB+MILD before, but of course I wont do that with every awakening. It feels like a "waste" to use my awakenings just falling back to sleep normally. Does continuing to DEILD for a while eg. 5 minutes work. Can you WILD straight from waking up (without spending 5 minutes awake)? Or is there some other way to make use of the awakening

Usually when I fail a Deild its because I'm so tired an I fall asleep again. I used to try a different technique afterwards but I realised i was probably only doing me worse than good. I've got another good solid 70/80 years to live so I'm in no rush, I don't think having to think of more things before even finishing a Deild attempt helps.

Originally Posted by bobberski

So I woke up at night without meaning to because I think my mantra is in me now lol. Anyway I forgot about DEILDing again but just for a second. I opened my eyes all confused for a second then closes them remembering why I had to do. Does moving slightly like that still ruin your chances because I'm pretty sure I felt what you described should have happened. I tried visualizing but I was slipping on and out of sleep. I thought of "rolling out" into the dreamworld but I felt really tired so I assumed I wouldn't be in a dream...

Nope I'm pretty sure most guides don't even focus that much on moving. If you can move without really noticing (eyes and swallowing that is, and maybe a bit of arm movement) then it should be fine It's still worth the shot.

No success in the past 2 nights.

Go to bed at 1. State Mantras:
"I will wake up after my dreams with my body motionless and my eyes closed."
"After I wake up from my dreams, I will become aware."

I believe it, and visualize it, but I didn't even remember my dreams.. gotta keep going I suppose..

Originally Posted by LucidRaider

No success in the past 2 nights.

Go to bed at 1. State Mantras:
"I will wake up after my dreams with my body motionless and my eyes closed."
"After I wake up from my dreams, I will become aware."


I believe it, and visualize it, but I didn't even remember my dreams.. gotta keep going I suppose..

Perhaps you should just focus on nothing but dream recall for a week then retry doing DEILD?

I had four dreams last night. The first 1 was lucid thanks to DEILD the other ones were 'failed' DEILD because I went to sleep normally but I was still pretty mindful in the dreams but not full on lucid. Also I think I met my dream guide. Anyway yesterday was awesome. But as for today my sleep was interrupted and I can't fall asleep. And I got to get up early tomorrow and I mostly get DEILDS early morning.