Thread: Do you think Chakras have anything to do with the solar system?

I am not making any moral judgements, I don't mean to come across that way. I don't think that you are nihilistic personally Xei. I have a respect for you and some other atheists. We don't agree on lots of things, but I respect your rationality and your knowledge of science. If I have a question about science I will trust your answer. I also respect Spartiate. I have a lot in common with atheists, I once was an atheist myself, and I would not call myself a theist. I definitely don't believe in god. Some of my friends do, and some don't.

The perfect 5 is what all music theory is based on. Your simplification shows that you do not understand. 5 cars? It is symmetry. It is a story. To understand WHY five represents perfection and beauty you first must understand what 4 represents and 3 and 2 and 1. But it doesn't end there, there is 6 and 7 and 8, etc... And the meaning evolves as the story unfolds. But it doesn't have an end, so I don't have a complete knowledge of sacred geometry. Just from what I understand from studying music. Every sacred geometrical principle is also in music and you could hear what it means.
Yes, the most aesthetic architecture and the most aesthetic art is based on the golden ratio and the perfection of 5 whether or not the viewers know anything about the golden ratio or not. And I did answer you last year on the golden ratio, but you didn't return to the conversation. I gave you the algebraic formula. But the point is that one does not need to know the algebraic formula to know what the golden mean is. Artists have traditionally used the compass and the ruler to come up with the golden ratio. The way that most people would understand it who are not artists, musicians, or mathematicians, is the fibonacci sequence: 1+1=2. 2+1=3. 3+2=5. 5+3=8. etc.The way we get the golden rectangle and the golden spiral from these numbers is this: There are many ways to understand it. Just because someone doesn't understand the algebraic formula doesn't mean that they don't understand the ratio. It is simple to understand. I think that you know that I understand it. Now even if I didn't understand it, I could look up in wikipedia under golden ratio and copy the algebraic formula and answer your question again, and it wouldn't prove anything. The whole "You don't know what the golden ratio is!" is a whole strawman argument made to discredit me (or Juroara) rather than any argument against sacred geometry. But you are not convincing me that I don't know what it is just like you cannot convince me that I don't know music theory. And seeing as this thread is about chakras and the solar system, it is way off-topic. Well, maybe it is on topic somewhat since we are using sacred geometry to find the correspondence of the planets to the chakras. But I think that unless we can get an empirical measurement of the hertz the planets resonate at, our hypothesis will be conjecture. But once we know the resonance of each planet, then we can know which chakra which planet attributes to.

I misspelled ratio, it was a typo, but I do know how to spell it. I am just saying that there is meaning to sacred geometry, just like there is meaning to music, and you cannot challenge us to prove scientifically what meaning is found in it. Music has meaning to it also. And the meaning that is found in music, if one trains one's ear to hear it, is objective. that is why there is a system called music theory in order to "write" music that one wants to express. It is a "language". Music is a Universal Language, like mathematics, and geometry. Now, I would not call sacred geometry sacred, if I were going to name it, it just happened to be named that since the pyramids were built in Egypt or maybe from before, but it still is a language.
Now we can use sacred geometry of seven to understand vibration and light spectrums. And this is how I would think that if there is any correlation between the chakras and the planets it would be through sound and light. At least they might resonate sympathetically at the least.

That would be funny if I was describing music to someone who never heard music and they said

What reasons do you have for believing any of this?

And everything I said they argued with. It is pointless to argue about it. I am giving the reason I believe it, because I find meaning in it. Just like I try to find meaning in everything I experience, even dreams. Now this is not scientific, that is because I am not a scientist. But that doesn't mean that I don't find meaning in science. I LOVE science! Everything that science has proven I accept. But you cannot tell me there is no meaning in sacred geometry. If you don't see it, then you don't understand it, and that is your choice and I respect that.

So, now, can we return to the topic and see if anybody knows the resonance of the planets so we can take this experiment to the next step?

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

But to be correct, you do not get the 4th in the harmonic progression. But the 4th is inferred by this: The relationship to the octave to the fifth is the relation of the first to the fourth.

But if you don't have the fourth of the major scale, you don't have a major scale. I realize that perfect fourth is an inversion of a perfect fifth, but you can't have a C Major scale without F. Also at which frets do you find harmonics the sixth and seventh?

I don't know how the fact that a 7 pointed star doesn't have all of the same symmetries as a regular 7-gon (heptagon if you insist) leads to the conclusion that it's not symmetric. I can see at least one reflection. At any rate, a regular 7-gon has 14 symmetries. It has 7 rotational symmetries and 7 reflection symmetries. It's symmetry group is denoted D₁₄ and can be generated by any non-trivial rotation and any reflection.

It's true that it's not constructible with a compass and straightedge. This means pretty much nothing.


A brief search on google will reveal that there are coins that are regular 7-gons. No they're not "perfect" but neither are the ones that are disks.

You can always find the vertices of the regular n-gons because they're the zeros of zⁿ - 1 in the complex plane. They are arranged along the unit circle in regular intervals. So it is perfectly possible to perfectly divide a circle into 7 equal segments. Just not with a compass and straightedge.

What's the significance of a compass and straightedge anyway? Do you think that nature actually cares one way or the other if some number is contained in an extension of the rationals generated by a tower of quadratic extensions? It's an artificial restriction that fascinated the greeks.

If you have two notes, a C and a G, you can either say that the G is a fifth of the C, or that the C is the fourth of the G. And since you can get harmonics on higher octaves, it isn't even an inversion, but a transposition. The scale is also a circle split into 12. If you go one direction you get the circle of fifths. If you go in the other direction you get the circle of fourths. So with just the seventh fret harmonic and the 12th fret harmonic, even without all the other harmonics, you can split the octave into 12 half-tones, no more, no less. The 7th is in between the minor third fret and the fourth fret, in a cluster of many other faint harmonics many octaves up. It is also the same distance down from the 12th fret towards the nut. The seventh is actually nearer a minor seventh thus making a dominant scale. I have only been able to get this harmonic with amplification. These notes (the third and the sixth and the seventh) are the ones that are at odds with the equal tempered music scale. But this is how divide the octave into the unit we call a half-tone, which is 12 in all, no more or no less. It isn't arbitrary. Even harmonics that aren't in the major scale are one of these twelve notes.

Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

I don't know how the fact that a 7 pointed star doesn't have all of the same symmetries as a regular 7-gon (heptagon if you insist) leads to the conclusion that it's not symmetric. I can see at least one reflection. At any rate, a regular 7-gon has 14 symmetries. It has 7 rotational symmetries and 7 reflection symmetries. It's symmetry group is denoted D₁₄ and can be generated by any non-trivial rotation and any reflection.

It's true that it's not constructible with a compass and straightedge. This means pretty much nothing.




A brief search on google will reveal that there are coins that are regular 7-gons. No they're not "perfect" but neither are the ones that are disks.

You can always find the vertices of the regular n-gons because they're the zeros of zⁿ - 1 in the complex plane. They are arranged along the unit circle in regular intervals. So it is perfectly possible to perfectly divide a circle into 7 equal segments. Just not with a compass and straightedge.

What's the significance of a compass and straightedge anyway? Do you think that nature actually cares one way or the other if some number is contained in an extension of the rationals generated by a tower of quadratic extensions? It's an artificial restriction that fascinated the greeks.

Well, you obviously know more about math than me, so I can't argue with you, and I agree that there is no significance to a compass and straight edge. I know that to split a circle into seven is possible theoretically, at least to construct a circle from seven equal pieces would be the best way, and that is how the greeks did it. But to split a circle instead of construct one may be different. Perhaps you could tell me, since you know more about this. Would the splitting of a circle into 7 equal sides require a number with a unpredictable repeating decimal, like pi?

The significance of the compass and the straightedge is the significance of yin-yang, duality, etc. But no, I don't think nature cares, since I don't think that nature is conscious the way we would think of for something to care.

I am having too much fun, I need to go make dinner and babysit for my friend's daughter.

Are you guys talking about the overtone series? Because you don't get the major scale with that. You get a major chord, then the flat seventh and later the #4. It's a great sound, but not exactly major. I think you can get most of these on a bass, but with a guitar you can really only get the octave, fifth and third and the third is hard unless you have a hollowbody.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

Well, you obviously know more about math than me, so I can't argue with you, and I agree that there is no significance to a compass and straight edge. I know that to split a circle into seven is possible theoretically, at least to construct a circle from seven equal pieces would be the best way, and that is how the greeks did it. But to split a circle instead of construct one may be different. Perhaps you could tell me, since you know more about this. Would the splitting of a circle into 7 equal sides require a number with a unpredictable repeating decimal, like pi?

That would be one way to do it. Because 7 is prime, you can just take e^2iπk/7 for 0 < k <= 7. Is that an issue?

Baby went to sleep, and so should I, but... I am addicted to dreamviews.

Originally Posted by Xei

Okay errr water molecules. The sun. The moon. Why are you asking this? It contradicts what you just said about Sacred Geometry not being science.

water molecules hold oxygen and hydrogen atoms at a specific angle derived from phi. This geometry is what gives the water molecule the many remarkable properties that make it crucial to biological life. Hence it is not entirely true when some scientists say there is not fundamntal difference between organic and inorganic matter. The difference resides in the geometry of the atoms where those forming life are related to the golden mean. The presence of the golden mean in the molecules of life is behind the fact that organisms are formed of the soft biological matter that they are. Stupid video of the Golden ratio of snowflakes. When flowing water comes across an obstacle, it flows around it in a golden spiral.

Spoiler for The Sun::

Figure 1 shows a strange cycle many astronomers and most astrologers do not know of. It is formed by the Sun's oscillations about the invisible center of mass of the solar system. Newton described this dynamic process three hundred years ago. The small open circles indicate the celestial positions of the system's center of mass relative to the Sun's

Figure 1: Master cycle of the solar system. Small circles indicate the position of the center of mass of the planetary system (CM) in the ecliptic plane relative to the Sun's center (cross) for the years 1945 to 1995. Heliocentric representation and marking the limb of the Sun make it easy to see whether CM is above or below the Sun's surface. The Sun's center and CM can come close together, as in 1951 and 1990, or reach a distance of more than two solar radii. Between these two extremes, the Sun's orbital angular momentum can increase or decrease forty-fold.

center, marked by a cross, for the years 1945 to 1995. The large solid circle marks the Sun's surface. Most of the time, the center of mass is to be found outside of the Sun's body. Intriguingly, the Sun's rather irregular oscillatory motion is regulated by constellations of the giant planets Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune. Conjunctions and oppositions have the strongest impact. When Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune form a more or less wide conjunction, the Sun's center and the center of mass are wide apart; they can reach a distance of more than two solar radii. When Jupiter alone opposes Saturn, Uranus and Neptune on the other

side of the Sun, the two centers come close to each other. Sometimes they make a very close approach as in 1951 and 1990. In the Sun's irregular cyclic motion between these two extremes its orbital angular momentum can in-crease or decrease 40-fold. If there is transfer of orbital angular momentum to the Sun's spin momentum—and there is evidence of it—this can affect solar activity. I have shown that special planetary constellations linked to crucial change in the Sun's orbital momentum make it possible to predict solar-terrestrial events dependably. Thus my forecasts of energetic solar eruptions and geomagnetic storms, checked by astronomers and the Space Environment Services Center in Boulder, achieved a hit rate of 90% though the predicted events show a very irregular distribution. As to details, I refer to my book Sun-Earth-Man (Landscheidt, 1989). I also forecast the end of the Sahelian drought three years in advance (Landscheidt, 1983).



Figure 2: The Sun's dynamics displays five-fold symmetry, thought to be reserved to the realm of life. The dynamics in the Sun's motion around the center of mass can be defined quantitatively by the change in its orbital angular momentum. The rate of change is usually measured by derivatives. In some respects the running variance yields more informative results. It applies the well-known smoothing technique of running means over two, three, or more consecutive readings to a running variance, the square of the standard deviation.

Figure 2 shows the 9-year running variance of the Sun's orbital angular momentum for the years 720 to 1070. And what does it reveal? "Big hands" with "big fingers"! These five-fingered hands were an utter surprise to me when I saw them first on my computer screen. Scientists conceive that the Sun is a body of "dead" matter. As such the Sun should not display five-fold symmetry. Two-fold, three-fold, four-fold, or six-fold symmetry like crystals, but not five-fold symmetry reserved to the realm of biology. I realized at once that the unexpected pentadactyl pattern was hard evidence of the fact that the Sun's dynamics and life forms on Earth are subjected to the same structural laws. This unexpected extension of the domain of five-fold symmetry to the realm of "dead" matter is all the more important as planets and their constellations are involved in the generation of the pattern governed by the number five presented in Figure 2.



Fractals Generated by Cosmic Bodies

Closer examination reveals that there is even more to this pattern. A ubiquitous note in present day science is the term fractal coined by B. B. Mandelbrot (1983) in his work The Fractal Geometry of Nature. He stressed that clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, and lightning does not travel in a straight line. A fractal can be defined as a geometrical shape whose structure is such that magnification or reduction by

a given factor reproduces the original object. Self-similarity on different scales is a preeminent feature of fractals. A good paradigm is an unending sequence of Russian dolls, one nestled inside the other. Fractal substructures become visible by amplification. The Nobel Prize-recipient Wilson has shown that renormalization transformations involving a change of scale can serve as a universal tool in research. If you do not get ahead in your research, choose a coarser or a finer scale.

Figure 3 is the result of an amplification of the pattern in Figure 2. It shows the 3-year running variance of the Sun's orbital angular momentum. I was astounded when I first saw that there are fractals in the Sun's motion. The big fingers in big hands contain small hands with small fingers. The big encircled numbers at the top mark the tips of big fingers. The small fingers below are indicated by small numbers. Big arrows and small triangles at the bottom designate the starts of big and small fingers respectively. The vertical dotted line labels the start of a big hand in 1933.

It should be noted in passing that this dynamically fundamental period coincided with the establishment of Stalin's and Hitler's dictatorship and the Great Depression. The preceding start of a big hand in 1756 was again a crucial period. The Seven Year's War in Europe gave Great Britain as an ally of Prussia the opportunity to establish its Empire by the conquest of India and Canada. In my book Sun-Earth-Man I have given an explanation why the Sun's dynamics, regulated by the planets, has an effect on human behavior.

Cycles Linked to the Sun rs Pentadactyl Pattern

Big hands (BH), big fingers (BF), and small fingers (SF) are not only of theoretical importance. As I have shown, they represent distinct cycles of solar activity that are a paramount factor in solar-terrestrial relations (Landscheidt, 1983, 1986, 1987, 1990, 1994a, 1994b). The mean lengths of these cycles (C) are as follows: BHC = 178.8 years; BFC = 35.8 years; SFC = 7.2 years. These periods are rounded mean lengths. The real cycles differ in width. Yet all these variations can be computed and predicted from planetary positions and constellations. All of these cycles are fractals with subcycles. Especially half cycles play an important role. Half a big hand (HBHC = 89.4 years) represents the secular Gleissberg-cycle of sunspot activity which modulates the amplitudes of the well-known 11-year sunspot cycle and shows a narrow correlation with climatic change (Friis-Christensen and Lassen, 1991). Half a big finger (HBFC = 17.9 years) is an important factor in climate. I could show that maxima in the Lake Saki varve thickness are consistently correlated with consecutive HBF's (Landscheidt, 1990). Varves are banded layers of silt and sand deposited annually in lakes. The thickness of Lake Saki varves is related to local precipitation: the thickest varves are linked to very wet years and the thinnest varves to very dry years. The analysis covers data from A.D. 700 to 1894. -Theodor Landscheidt

Edit: This doesn't make as much sense without the pictures that somehow failed to copy probably because It is a pdf.

The radius of the Moon and the radius of the Earth are related to phi.

Sure I think there is meaning. I think kindness is good. I think sunsets are beautiful. I think your life is a journey and you should try to make a lasting positive difference in the world.

This is great. I appreciate that. But I am talking about objective meaning, like how language has meaning. Or music theory has meaning.

This is the thing. '5 is perfect' is utterly devoid of meaning. Seriously, can you even explain what you mean by it? The reasons for it? Why it isn't 6 or 7? How you can use it?

I understand what you are saying. Please be patient and hear me. Five is perfect because it embodies the golden mean. The golden mean is everywhere in nature, in the Universe. It is what makes life possible on a molecular level. It is how the galaxy spins. It is how all plants grow (in ideal conditions without external influences). It is how all organic structures are. It is embodied as the perfect aesthetic in music, art, and architecture. People who know nothing of the golden mean still love the golden mean in art, music, architecture, etc. Five pointed star represents perfection to all cultures. It is hard-wired in our brains and all of nature. Children who are good or get an A on a test earn a star. There are movieSTARs, and superSTARS rockSTARS and pornSTARS and movies STAR them. It isn't only in English either. All cultures hold the five pointed star as perfect.

Why isn't it four? Or six? Or seven? Four represents the physical aspect of the Earth, the matter, the material. The four elements the four directions, etc. Five brings in the fifth element which is consciousness or spirit or mind or life. Five means mind over matter. Five means LIFE or living matter.

Six is ultimate functionality. Sixfold symmetry is used as the most stable structure by bees for example. It is structurally very efficient. But it doesn't have that element of life that five represents. That is what I mean by the golden mean and five represent perfection.

Seven, which is topical to this thread, represents light and vibration and waves of energy. Spectrums, frequencies, etc... I mistakenly said earlier that the Universe was created in 7 days according to the Bible, and somebody corrected me and said that it was six. True, right you are. The seventh day is for rest. Work, business and utilitarian endeavors belong to the number six, seven is light, sound, energy. (Incidentally, I have been campaigning for at least 40 years to extend the week to have an 8 day week, but the idea hasn't taken hold)

Phi, the golden mean, is the most perfect of irrational numbers also. What I mean, is that while irrational numbers decimals gradually reduce down to infinitesimal quanta, the golden mean reduces down the slowest, most gradual. This also is what makes it so great for biological processes.

PhilosopherStoned:

That would be one way to do it. Because 7 is prime, you can just take e2iπk/7 for 0 < k <= 7. Is that an issue?

The only issue is that I don't understand that. It has been many many many years since I have been to school. But I trust that given a computer and a printer it could be done. But does it happen in nature?

All this fractal geometry stuff reminded me of this:

Originally Posted by saltyseedog

All this fractal geometry stuff reminded me of this:

Whoa! I've been there! That is the best portrayal I've seen of a ayahuasca or DMT session, or traveling through the bardos! Is this from a movie?

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

water molecules hold oxygen and hydrogen atoms at a specific angle derived from phi.

The angle between both hydrogen molecules of water is 104.45˚. Phi is ~1.618. I really don't see the connection...

Originally Posted by Spartiate

The angle between both hydrogen molecules of water is 104.45˚. Phi is ~1.618. I really don't see the connection...

104.45 degrees (how do you get that degrees symbol?) = 1.680339887etc./2 X 360 degrees.

phi/2 * 360 = 104.45

This is why water is fluid and crystalline in its natural state.
EDIT: Wait, that doesn't work. I forgot the equation that the site showed. It is close to that. It has to do with there being two hydrogen atoms. I will have to find it again and get the correct explanation. But it is 1:35 AM and I need to dream. Let me come back to this Wednesday.

Everywhere I looked I found this:

And in recent times, it was discovered that the water molecule itself, with its angle of 105 degrees, was in the Golden Mean ratio, a basic proportion in Sacred Geometry.

and like you, I don't see the connection, but there must be one. I erased cookies when I thought I was going to bed so I can't find the page I looked at before.

I didn't find it, but I found a better description.
Here is a tetrahedron with the golden mean:

Spoiler for Here is a description from Marcel Vogel's research:

The fundamental geometrical pattern of quartz and water is the tetrahedron. Water molecules, bound together, form tetrahedrons in tilted or puckered rings. This tilting happens because of the bonding angle that exists between any three water molecules. This angle is 109.5 degrees. The normal flat hexagon has angles of 120 degrees. Water molecules with smaller angles, if they are to be formed into a hexagon, must have an uneven structure that is not in a flat plane but is instead a three dimensional object. This uneven structure is formed by what is called the bending angle or angle of tilt. This angle can be between 20 degrees and 60 degrees, but the most common is 26 degrees. This is where the intermolecular bond is the strongest and it happens to be half of the interlattice angle of quartz. The second most common bending angle for water is 54 degrees which is quite close to the interlattice angle of quartz as well.

The interlattice angle of a crystal is related to the basal angle. The basal angle is ½ of the angle of the tip of the crystal. The interlattice angle of quartz is 90 degrees minus the basal angle which is 38 degrees. Therefore the interlattice angle is 52 degrees. This is also the angle of the Cheops pyramid.

The intermolecular bonding angle for the water molecule is 104.5 degrees. This is the angle that exists between the hydrogen atoms of each water molecule. It is virtually double that of the interlattice angle for quartz.

It is possible that there is a compatible harmonic between water and quartz because of the similarity of these angles. This would allow a resonant transfer of the energies that are imputed to the crystal to a significant group of water molecules in any given sample.

The structure of quartz can replicate itself in water because of this resonant transfer based upon structure.

The geometric structure produces frequency patterns, harmonics, that can transfer into water. Very small amounts of energy are required for this transfer. The nature of resonant systems is such that a minimal input can achieve a maximal output.

Now this has to do with the crystalline structure of water, and also the individual molecules. I am not completely satisfied and I will continue to research more.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

Whoa! I've been there! That is the best portrayal I've seen of a ayahuasca or DMT session, or traveling through the bardos! Is this from a movie?

Yes, it is from a movie called blueberry aka renegade. The director based the peyote trip in the movie on his own experiences on ayahuasca.

Dig this. Take anything that you want. Any quantity that occurs anywhere. Take the amount of taproots that a tree with taproots has: one.

1 = x*42
x = 1/42

But this just means that 1 = 42*1/42! It's related to 42!. It relates to water too. The angle between water molecules when they crystalize is 1.829 radians. But watch!

1.829 = x*42
x = 1.829/42

and we see that 1.829 = 42*1.829/42!

So we can take from this that the meaning of 42 is everything.

I see what you are saying but I don't see the connection between that and the rest of the thread.

So does anyone know about the resonant frequencies of the planets?

Spoiler for I just found this on Wikipedia::

Schumann resonances on other planets
The existence of Schumann-like resonances is conditioned primarily by two factors: (1) a closed, planetary-sized spherical cavity, consisting of conducting lower and upper boundaries separated by an insulating medium. For the earth the conducting lower boundary is its surface, and the upper boundary is the ionosphere. Other planets may have similar electrical conductivity geometry, so it is speculated that they should possess similar resonant behavior. (2) source of electrical excitation of electromagnetic waves in the ELF range. Within the Solar System there are five candidates for Schumann resonance detection besides the Earth: Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn and its moon Titan.

Modeling Schumann resonances on the planets and moons of the Solar System is complicated by the lack of knowledge of the waveguide parameters. No in situ capability exists today to validate the results, but in the case of Mars there have been terrestrial observations of radio emission spectra that have been associated with Schumann resonances[38]. The reported radio emissions are not of the primary electromagnetic Schumann modes, but rather of secondary modulations of the nonthermal microwave emissions from the planet at approximately the expected Schumann frequencies, and have not be independently confirmed to be associated with lightning activity at Mars. There is the possibility that future lander missions could carry in situ instrumentation to perform the necessary measurements. Theoretical studies are primarily directed to parameterizing the problem for future planetary explorers.

The strongest evidence for lightning on Venus comes from the impulsive electromagnetic waves detected by Venera 11 and 12 landers. Theoretical calculations of the Schumann resonances at Venus were reported by Nickolaenko and Rabinowicz [1982][39] and Pechony and Price [2004].[40] Both studies yielded very close results, indicating that Schumann resonances should be easily detectable on that planet given a lightning source of excitation and a suitably located sensor.

On Mars detection of lightning activity has been reported by Ruf et al. [2009][38]. The evidence is indirect and in the form of modulations of the nonthermal microwave spectrum at approximately the expected Schumann resonance frequencies. It has not been independently confirmed that these are associated with electrical discharges on Mars. In the event confirmation is made by direct, in situ observations, it would verify the suggestion of the possibility of charge separation and lightning strokes in the Martian dust storms made by Eden and Vonnegut [1973][41] and Renno et al. [2003][42]. Martian global resonances were modeled by Sukhorukov [1991],[43] Pechony and Price [2004][40] and Molina-Cuberos et al. [2006][44]. The results of the three studies are somewhat different, but it seems that at least the first two Schumann resonance modes should be detectable. Evidence of the first three Schumann resonance modes is present in the spectra of radio emission from the lightning detected in Martian dust storms[38].

It was long ago suggested that lightning discharges may occur on Titan[45], but recent data from Cassini-Huygens seems to indicate that there is no lightning activity on this largest satellite of Saturn. Due to the recent interest in Titan, associated with the Cassini-Huygens mission, its ionosphere is perhaps the most thoroughly modeled today. Schumann resonances on Titan have received more attention than on any other celestial body, in works by Besser et al. [2002][46], Morente et al. [2003][47] , Molina-Cuberos et al. [2004][48] , Nickolaenko et al. [2003][49] and Pechony and Price [2004][40]. It appears that only the first Schumann resonance mode might be detectable on Titan.

Jupiter is the only planet where lightning activity has been optically detected. Existence of lightning activity on that planet was predicted by Bar-Nun [1975][50] and it is now supported by data from Galileo, Voyagers 1 and 2, Pioneers 10 and 11 and Cassini. Saturn is also expected to have intensive lightning activity, but the three visiting spacecrafts – Pioneer 11 in 1979, Voyager 1 in 1980 and Voyager 2 in 1981, failed to provide any convincing evidence from optical observations. The strong storm monitored on Saturn by the Cassini spacecraft produced no visible lightning flashes, although electromagnetic sensors aboard the spacecraft detected signatures that are characteristic of lightning. Little is known about the electrical parameters of Jupiter and Saturn interior. Even the question of what should serve as the lower waveguide boundary is a non-trivial one in case of the gaseous planets. There seem to be no works dedicated to Schumann resonances on Saturn. To date there has been only one attempt to model Schumann resonances on Jupiter.[51] Here, the electrical conductivity profile within the gaseous atmosphere of Jupiter was calculated using methods similar to those used to model stellar interiors, and it was pointed out that the same methods could be easily extended to the other gas giants Saturn, Uranus and Neptune. Given the intense lightning activity at Jupiter, the Schumann resonances should be easily detectable with a sensor suitably positioned within the planetary-ionospheric cavity.

Edit: What was i thinking?! You can get the harmonic of a perfect 4th by making the harmonic 1/4 of the string.

Awesome posts Dannon, I just started playing guitar and learning about music theory, and some things you explain better than in the books or on wiki. I really enjoyed reading them you're like a walking encyclopedia.

You said there are other harmonics next to unison, octave, perfect fourth and perfect fifth, which are they?

And do you happen to know the mathematical explanation as why they are in harmony? I understand that on octave is in harmony because the peaks of the sine waves, when overlapping the two functions, would fit into eachother. But how do you explain the harmony of the perfect fifth and the perfect fourth, and why are they called perfect anyway?

Also, you said music theory based is on the perfect 5, why is that?

As far as I know you can't get a harmonic of the fourth on a guitar.

I just decided to map these out

Frets----------harmonics
2,10-----------9
3,7------------5
4,9------------3
5--------------octave(octave higher than 12th fret)
8--------------not 100% sure for this, seems that the string resonates at the octave(this makes sense as it's the same distance as the 5th fret(but from the 12th fret vs open) but I hear the body resonate on the 5th, this could just mean I have a cheap yamaha.
12-------------octave


What I'm guessing Dannon meant about theory being based on the 5th is that music moves harmonically in 5ths and 4ths(which are inverted 5ths) often. The most common cadence is 5 to 1 which gives a strong resolved sound. This is because of the leading tone, or (natural) seventh. In the key of C you have G for the five chord. The notes of the chords are CEG(1) and GBD(5). The third of the 5 chord moves to the root up by a half step which creates a resolved sound. Ti Do.

They;re called perfect because they're very consonant or in other words boring. They don't create much color or tension.

dannon: thank you! Some say the universe has musical order & music is cosmic.

I saw Sacred Geometry mentioned and I remember reading something about that, it's very interesting.

There are seven planes of existence, the first being the most dense, and the seventh being the least dense.

They are:

1. Physical Plane (1/2 physical / ½ Etheric) (Coarse)
2. Astral (Desire/Emotional)
3. Mental (1/2 mental / ½ Causal)
4. Buddhic (Intuition)
5. Atmic (Spirit)
6. Monadic (Parentless/Self Existing)
7. Logoic (Divine) (The Creator)

These dimensions/densities are different vibrational frequencies. Some we are able to perceive in our every day reality, and some which we are not able to. To access these higher dimensions, we have to alter our brain waves to vibrate at a different frequency. This is done by lowering your brain waves (like when you are asleep, when dreaming, in a trance, during meditation, psychedelics, etc) in order to consciously enter the higher dimensions which vibrate at a much higher frequency than our normal visible spectrum.

Each dimension itself is separated further into 7 different parts.

For example, the physical plane is divided like this:

1. Solids
2. Liquids
3. Gases
4. 1st Ether-Electric Ether
5. 2nd Ether-Pranic Ether
6. 3rd Ether-Light Ether
7. 4th Ether-Mental Reflecting

Again, it goes from most dense (solids) to least dense (4th Either-mental reflecting).

The sixth dimension is the realm of geometry. It isn't the realm of the Pythagorean theorem, though Pythagoras had a strong connection to this level of consciousness. It is the realm of sacred geometry, teachings that were part of Greek mystery schools, where Pythagoras was a teacher. Though sacred geometry has been omitted from most classroom teachings, it is the language of life and light, from which all things manifest.

Source: Ascension Magick: Ritual, Myth ... - Google Books (Ascension Magick: Ritual, Myth ... - Google Books)

Haha you're nuts.

Originally Posted by Xei

Haha you're nuts.

Yeah. It doesn't say anything about chakras or sacred geometry in my Bible, or my Science Book.
You guys must be crazy.

You're right, let's just make shit up and believe in it, that's sane.

Originally Posted by Seroquel

I saw Sacred Geometry mentioned and I remember reading something about that, it's very interesting.

There are seven planes of existence, the first being the most dense, and the seventh being the least dense.

They are:

1. Physical Plane (1/2 physical / ½ Etheric) (Coarse)
2. Astral (Desire/Emotional)
3. Mental (1/2 mental / ½ Causal)
4. Buddhic (Intuition)
5. Atmic (Spirit)
6. Monadic (Parentless/Self Existing)
7. Logoic (Divine) (The Creator)

These dimensions/densities are different vibrational frequencies. Some we are able to perceive in our every day reality, and some which we are not able to. To access these higher dimensions, we have to alter our brain waves to vibrate at a different frequency. This is done by lowering your brain waves (like when you are asleep, when dreaming, in a trance, during meditation, psychedelics, etc) in order to consciously enter the higher dimensions which vibrate at a much higher frequency than our normal visible spectrum.

Each dimension itself is separated further into 7 different parts.

For example, the physical plane is divided like this:

1. Solids
2. Liquids
3. Gases
4. 1st Ether-Electric Ether
5. 2nd Ether-Pranic Ether
6. 3rd Ether-Light Ether
7. 4th Ether-Mental Reflecting

Again, it goes from most dense (solids) to least dense (4th Either-mental reflecting).

This is part of the teachings of the theosophical society that was popular 100 years ago. They borrowed and synthesized many of the teachings from the east. This map of existence emphasizes a hierarchic view of the Universe. It is relatively true in that there ARE different frequencies of vibration, much like light. Yet, since all colors are included in white light we must remember that our day to day waking life includes all these separate 'planes'. Reality is one indivisible. The danger is that one is likely to have a conceptual intellectual understanding of this that is not relative to one's actual experience. Then it becomes a belief, then a dogma. Beliefs are obstacles to true experience. Fortunately, lucid dreamers have an edge in experience. But these 'planes' are not as clear cut and black and white as these teachings suggest. Just as there are many many hues in between the primary colors. Levels of vibration don't ascend in steps, but a gradual changing spectrum. These distinctions are man-made and arbitrary. As such, they can be helpful to the sincere astralnaut, but only if one remembers that this doctrine is only a tool, a map of the terrain, and not the terrain itself. It is a method of making sense of reality so that one can explore.

I don't see what exactly this has to do with sacred geometry directly, perhaps indirectly.

BTW, sacred geometry is taught in the Bible esoterically in Genesis. Or rather, sacred geometry is the esoteric form of Genesis.