Thread: Do you think Chakras have anything to do with the solar system?

I've had some pretty valuable drug experiences.
I took shrooms and closed my eyes and went to another dimension where a soul was singing to me telepathically telling me why i came to earth. I flew through this world of weird twisting shapes and saw snakes and skulls. I saw other souls. Floating as balls of white light. I went through wormholes and saw things. I saw myself from past lifetimes. I saw my exgirlfreind from past lifetimes I had shared with her. It was incredible. then I opened my eyes and stood up and fell over laughing in the sand. Me and my friend walked for what seemed like thirty minutes and looked back and we had only gone twenty feet and just busted up laughing. the floor was like waves. I kept seeing faces everywhere I looked on the floor. they were faces of my ex girlfriend. everyone of them was different. they were her from different lifetimes. I had a feeling of what had happened with each face I saw.

I also did salvia. I left my body and was complete nothingness for eternity. I came back. first I saw thoughts. Images. I saw my mom and my brother. i was confused by these images. Not knowing what they were. Then words came. I thought alien. Like some being that was unfamiliar to me that came from some planet. then I got these pulses of awareness from my body and senses. then I was back. after a few seconds I could remember who I was as an individual. But it was impossible because I had just been nothing. and that was what I truly was. it didn't make sense. all my memories and ideas of self only existed in my body. Like they were built in. Then I completely freaked out and ran outside and hid in the bushes. and was thinking about how fucked up this world was...

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

If you are with a shaman medicine man and in a ceremonial setting and it is served as a sacrament, then I advocate it. Otherwise, it is pointless.

Lol.. Definitely not pointless. It's up to the user to judge whether it's pointless to experience or not. Every drug has a use.

The important thing is to be well researched, prepared, safe, and mature. Don't abuse the drug.

And btw Datura if, prepared correctly, (as a balm which you rub on your skin so as to avoid the absorption of Atropine or Scopolamine or whatever) can be used to great effect. During the middle ages, in Europe, witches used to use this method on Henbane to create magick brews which gave them the sensation of flight.

It still cracks me up every time someone actually calls them "shrooms".

When I wrote that I paused and thought hmmm maybe sloth is going to comment on me calling them shrooms

lol!!
That's awesome.
To each his own, I suppose.
To me it's like saying, "I just bought a zone! Let's fire up that herbage and get twisted, dude!" instead of saying, "Let's get high."
My friends and I have always been boring about it all, I guess. We hold joints like cigarettes. Mushrooms are mushrooms. Acid is acid.
I guess we hillbillies are just boring that way.

Originally Posted by Seroquel

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Why don't you value my contributions? Those were perfectly valid examples of the fucking fascinating relationships between nature and random logos. If you didn't want to talk about this subject, why did you bring it up?

Way to go on not being able to qualify anything you said or answer any questions about it. Of course, crimestop dictates that you tell yourself this was because the person asking is an asshole (probably true); not because you're just swallowing without question any metaphysical theory you hear that makes you feel good.

that is what drugs do when not used as a sacrament. What theory is being discussed now? Drugs. BORING!

Originally Posted by Xei

not because you're just swallowing without question any metaphysical theory you hear that makes you feel good.

My contribution to this thread is to just quote this.

I admit that the general idea of this thread is silly. But I cannot help advocating for the curiosity that generates this question. This curiosity and idea that somehow the whole universe is connected and that 'as above so below' is on the right track. And as for feeling good, don't try to feel good. Knowing that the walk signal is not triggered by the pressing the walk button on the crosswalk means that you should not press it. Or looking for similarities between the universe and the psyche is just to feel good in the face of the stark reality of an impersonal universe. Is it a denial of reality to see the connections?

I love you.
No, but really, you made me understand this perfectly. Music goes to a deep level, so deep that it becomes cosmic, but it is very hard to explain to someone that denies it is.

edit: this is for Dannon's post 49!

Originally Posted by Xei

Yet you can't spell it? And you'll note that when I asked you last year you failed then, too. None of the things you posted then and none of what you posted now defines the golden ratio any more than 'paper' and 'door' define rectangle. Seriously, after all this time, after days of reading about this stuff, why has it been so beyond you to spend just five minutes on Wikipedia so you know what you're talking about??


Okay errr water molecules. The sun. The moon. Why are you asking this? It contradicts what you just said about Sacred Geometry not being science.


You're failing at rational argument. I never claimed astronomy had a monopoly on prediction. Juroara did and that's who my post was directed at. How come you didn't notice that the person you were at odds here was not me but Juroara? Perhaps it's because you're intolerant of people who question you but tolerant of anybody who ostensibly agrees with you when their view is actually totally different.


You should know that this comes across to me as both hypocritical and whiny.

You really think saying '5 is perfect' gives you some kind of moral or spiritual high ground over us nihilistic rationalists with dead souls? Of course, anybody who doesn't make up nonsense and approaches things critically must have a totally empty life.

Sure I think there is meaning. I think kindness is good. I think sunsets are beautiful. I think your life is a journey and you should try to make a lasting positive difference in the world.

But no, if five is perfect then you've really got meaning nailed down, haven't you; you'll own five cars, marry five women and with each of them have five children who smoke five cigarettes a day and your life will be totally perfect.

This is the thing. '5 is perfect' is utterly devoid of meaning. Seriously, can you even explain what you mean by it? The reasons for it? Why it isn't 6 or 7? How you can use it?

Do you still need the golden ratio to be explained? Just so you know, a real mathematician explained it to me, a mathematician that is incredibly intelligent, and so did a musician, a brilliant musician.
And I don't think you've grasped the whole definition of 'meaning' as Dannon says. It goes way deeper than a beautiful sunset or having 5 cars.

Originally Posted by Xei

Why don't you value my contributions? Those were perfectly valid examples of the fucking fascinating relationships between nature and random logos. If you didn't want to talk about this subject, why did you bring it up?

Way to go on not being able to qualify anything you said or answer any questions about it. Of course, crimestop dictates that you tell yourself this was because the person asking is an asshole (probably true); not because you're just swallowing without question any metaphysical theory you hear that makes you feel good.

Why don't you value my trolling? Those were perfectly valid examples of trolling. If you didn't want to talk about trolling, why did you bring your own personal beliefs up?

Can we just go back to my question please? I don't think drugs are much in relation with planets and chakras.

Yeah. We stopped talking about drugs. Dannon called it a few posts back.

I don't know if chakras exist, or if the solar system exists, but if they do it is possible that there is a connection. I certainly like exploring the idea in my mind. "As below, so above, and beyond."
I don't think the connection would necessarily stop at the solar system. The entire universe may be of the same essence, and be performing the same actions through and through, from the chakra, to the atom, and on to the universe. This could be a causal relationship, or even a synchronicity.
Everything seems to dance. Planets orbit, electrons "orbit" (or something), people breathe, their hearts beat... everything seems to repeat itself.

I have a hard time with threads like these; I can't identify with any participants. On the one hand I value searching for non-conventional correlations in the world at large and on the other hand I also value an open-minded skepticism that poses the same question that Xei asked in one post, "How can you/I use this (information)?" If the connections that you make are not actionable or usable in any way then they might as well be meaningless and forgotten until the time comes that they are usable. Focus your energy on the things you can do and make reliable sense of if you want to avoid being taken away by the currents of "that which is possible" never again to set foot on the shores of "that which is".

I try to look at both sides, Xaq. I do not believe that a knowledge is meaningless to everyone merely because it cannot be used. Surely every activity we engage in is an attempt to draw pleasure out of life. I enjoy exploring possibilities, in my mind, even if I cannot use them in a practical way, in everyday life. At the same time, I do not BELIEVE in anything. You say that they might as well be meaningless and forgotten until the time comes that they are usable. However, if you have not explored an idea in the first place, how are you to remember it when it becomes usable.
I HAVE gotten taken away by the currents of "that which is possible", and suffered from psychosis for about a year. For this reason I have to limit how far my mind goes, but for me, it takes more effort for me to not think of that which MAY be possible, then it is to just let my brain go, and live as if particular things were proven to me, even if they aren't. I don't KNOW that gravity is real, but I'm going to continue to live as if I did know this.
"Overthinking, overanalyzing separates the body from the mind. Withering my intuition. Leaving opportunities behind" -Tool
As our bodies grow larger, our sense of what is possible becomes more and more narrow, until we are just machines that recycle calculations and thought patterns, and repeat the same activities as everyone else.

Personally, I think that knowledge is absolutely meaningless unless we can use it. I also think that attaining more knowledge is the greatest use of the knowledge that we already have. So I have no problem with chains of knowledge that lead only to more knowledge.

This doesn't even satisfy that criterion though. It's a useless thread and a useless idea...

Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

Personally, I think that knowledge is absolutely meaningless unless we can use it.

How do you feel about critical thinking? Certainly sharpening one's thinking skills is important for smrt making.

Sloth you do have beliefs. They are so subtle. And they create attitudes which make up who you are.

Wisdom is meaningless.

Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

Personally, I think that knowledge is absolutely meaningless unless we can use it. I also think that attaining more knowledge is the greatest use of the knowledge that we already have. So I have no problem with chains of knowledge that lead only to more knowledge.

This doesn't even satisfy that criterion though. It's a useless thread and a useless idea...

Well, you know, you could always not participate in it.
And I agree with your first statement.

Originally Posted by saltyseedog

Sloth you do have beliefs. They are so subtle. And they create attitudes which make up who you are.

Wisdom is meaningless.

I hate to sound as though I am debating your claim merely to prevent from admitting that I am wrong about something...
...but I really DON'T have beliefs.

Originally Posted by sloth

I hate to sound as though I am debating your claim merely to prevent from admitting that I am wrong about something...
...but I really DON'T have beliefs.

Do you believe that you don't have any beliefs?

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Do you believe that you don't have any beliefs?

Oh no you don't.
I am perfectly aware that one can play logic tricks and language tricks with such a concept, however, that does not mean that such a concept is not possible.
"There are absolutely no absolutes." is possible too. It does not matter that the human language is limited, and allows for cute little paradoxes like what you are asking me there. This does not mean that the concept behind what I am saying is not possible.

I believe nothing.

Do you believe in paradoxes?

I would say its language that allows for your statement "I believe nothing" when you can't even have a concept of nothing without first excepting the fact of "thing", and the lack thereof.