Thread: Do you think Chakras have anything to do with the solar system?

I was meditating & this question occurred to me. Well, what do you think?




If anyone happens to not believe in chakras, no need to answer. (sorry if that sounds rude, but I don't want to debate anything as of right now )

That's a very interesting question indeed, I have wondered the same thing but I haven't found any answer really... except that there are like 7 chakras, 7 notes, 7 colors, 7 planets (if you use geocentrism), and then they each form an octave. What does this tell us? No idea

This question has been on my mind for a pretty long time and I haven't found an answer yet except that maybe each chakra corresponds with a note and a color and a planet.

Well , I think the universe is a giant fractal of the same energy stuff. I don't know what that energy stuff, or if scientists know, for all I know the electromagnetic spectrum is only a fractal of something even more primal (and larger).

Because chakras are a fractal of the EM spectrum, so they relate to sound, color, light, even geometry (which in a very weird way also relates back to sound, color and light)

But if we look at a famous fractal like the mandelbrot, one area of the mandelbrot landscape looks entirely different from another, even though its all the same fractal.



So even though we can see a fractal nature to the alignment of heavenly bodies (to the tiniest atom), it may or may not directly relate to chakras.

Originally Posted by juroara

Well , I think the universe is a giant fractal of the same energy stuff. I don't know what that energy stuff, or if scientists know, for all I know the electromagnetic spectrum is only a fractal of something even more primal (and larger).

Because chakras are a fractal of the EM spectrum, so they relate to sound, color, light, even geometry (which in a very weird way also relates back to sound, color and light)

But if we look at a famous fractal like the mandelbrot, one area of the mandelbrot landscape looks entirely different from another, even though its all the same fractal.



So even though we can see a fractal nature to the alignment of heavenly bodies (to the tiniest atom), it may or may not directly relate to chakras.

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Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

7 notes, 7 colors

Um, excuse me, but these two are continuous spectra. We've arbitrarily assigned 7 fence posts to each. According to what it says on Wikipedia, Newton actually started with 5, and then arbitrarily added two slices to his circle so he would match Aristotle's arbitrary claim about the number of fundamental colours. Of course, since you can create any colour by combining only 3 base colours to varying degrees of intensity, I'd say you only need three pieces of the continuous and infinite spectrum of visible light, which is just a tiny frequency range of a much broader thing.

Also, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune, UrANUS... that's 8 Unless you're not counting Earth.

Don't worry, I'm not here to debate. I think it's an interesting mental model, and a great way to build "vastness and oneness" into your meditation.

Excellent points and thank you for pointing out the probelm with the 7 notes and 7 colors.
But i'd like to jump in with the rainbow. It is a non-arbitrary selection of the spectrum created by water vapor in earth's atmosphere as seen by eyes that pick up on the "visible light spectrum", like ours. Of course even the natural rainbow is only marked by fencposts, but take the green next to the yellow for example, and that's a pretty small field to put the post in. It's quite specific and a narrow bandwith. And yet it was found by enough plants to make chlorophyl and to cover so much of the landmasses with green plants.

the lines are fuzzy but they are there.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

7 planets (if you use geocentrism)

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Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

7 notes

7 notes in a diatonic scale, however there are 12 notes of the chromatic scale. It's worth noting that an octave is defined as a frequency ratio of 2:1, which could be divided into any arbitrary number of intervals. There isn't much reason to single out diatonic scales outside of that humans tend to like them. Yet pentatonic scales are also highly popular and have been for a very long time. Also, you do not get a major scale by playing up the harmonics on a guitar string as Dannon mentions. Really the only harmonics that sound good are the ones that relate to the perfect fifth, perfect fourth and octave.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

7 planets (if you use geocentrism)

Or two, if you just don't feel like counting very many of them.

Originally Posted by ♥Mark

Also, you do not get a major scale by playing up the harmonics on a guitar string as Dannon mentions. Really the only harmonics that sound good are the ones that relate to the perfect fifth, perfect fourth and octave.

Yes you do. I am a musician and I play guitar, bass, oud, sitar, fiddle, mandolin, etc. All string instruments, some with frets and some without frets. I don't use an electronic tuner, because I learned to tune using harmonics and beat frequencies before there was such a thing as an electronic tuner. I also play flute. In flute, the only way to get some notes is to use the higher "register" which is means blowing harder to get the higher harmonics, etc...

Really the only harmonics that sound good are the ones that relate to the perfect fifth, perfect fourth and octave.

This is because they are harder to make, and they are quieter, but that doesn't mean that they are not there, and that they don't follow the harmonic progression. People practice playing harmonics so that they get better at them and they sound good. Eddie Van Halen is very good at it. But to be correct, you do not get the 4th in the harmonic progression. But the 4th is inferred by this: The relationship to the octave to the fifth is the relation of the first to the fourth. Now maybe what you mean by "sound good" means tempered scale. This is a good point, that the natural scale is not tempered, which means it cannot be transposed into another key and played in the original key. To people who have grown up without listening to the artificial "tempered" scale, that natural scale sounds natural. Birds sing in the natural scale. The scale wan't tempered until relatively recently in music history. If you want to listen to music that sounds good that still uses the untempered scale, listen to classical Turkish music, Arabic music, blues, etc. You will find in blues that they use a note that is in between the minor third and the major third and a note that is in between the perfect 4th and the perfect 5th (The Devil's tone!). Since the natural third doesn't fit into the tempered scale, you will find it hard to accurately tune the 'B' string on a guitar, it will always be an approximation, and this becomes more problematic when you amplify it and add distortion. There is too much beat frequency.That is why Eddie Van Halen tuned his B string to a natural third related to the G.

Imagine trying to explain music theory to the skeptics! There IS meaning found in mathematics!!! Good thing it is not called "Sacred Sound", even though, music relates to sound as sacred geometry relates to geometry. It is the meaning that separates them. Now, I don't think that anyone finds music meaningless. But most people do not understand the theory it takes to make music, but they still enjoy listening to it. But there is a definite theory to it, and there has always been and there always will be, no matter what kind of music it is. In fact, it is not possible to ignore music theory once you understand it, it is only possible to be ignorant of it. It is the same with sacred geometry. What you call "pretty pictures" are came up with specific order of understandings the same way that "pretty music" is made using a specific understanding. Music theory is not science, but it is mathematical. Sacred Geometry is not science, but it is geometrical. If music was instead called Sacred Sound we would have to be defending how we find meaning in music and atheists would be saying that music is just noise. Atheists have a problem with the word "sacred' because it implies everything that an atheist is against. And they react to it out of habit. They find the word distasteful. But it just means that there is meaning in whatever it is talking about. Music theory is not a pseudoscience. Sacred Geometry is not a pseudoscience either.

I could go on forever about music and sacred geometry. But I try to restrain myself. I just want to say that the reason that different vowel sounds sound different is because of the harmonics that are isolated using different vowel sounds. If you could amplify the harmonics and mute the fundamental tone, you would find that words are musical. The Tuvan and Mongolian throat singers have mastered this. Now, using the sacred geometry as found in music, and also the fact that words are musical phrases, we can find the meaning and the method of mantras. If you can chant a mantra and hear its musical overtone, in meditation you will also see the geometrical shape the resonance creates, along with the subjective meaning. Vibration and geometry! The music of the spheres, the planets, the mantras of each chakra. There is a lot to it. Look up rice resonance on youtube to see how sound and geometry are related.

I love you.
No, but really, you made me understand this perfectly. Music goes to a deep level, so deep that it becomes cosmic, but it is very hard to explain to someone that denies it is.

edit: this is for Dannon's post 49!

Originally Posted by Replicon

Um, excuse me, but these two are continuous spectra. We've arbitrarily assigned 7 fence posts to each. According to what it says on Wikipedia, Newton actually started with 5, and then arbitrarily added two slices to his circle so he would match Aristotle's arbitrary claim about the number of fundamental colours. Of course, since you can create any colour by combining only 3 base colours to varying degrees of intensity, I'd say you only need three pieces of the continuous and infinite spectrum of visible light, which is just a tiny frequency range of a much broader thing.

Also, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune, UrANUS... that's 8 Unless you're not counting Earth.

Don't worry, I'm not here to debate. I think it's an interesting mental model, and a great way to build "vastness and oneness" into your meditation.

I guess the number could indeed be arbirtrarily chosen, thanks for pointing that out. But the main point remains, dividing continuous spectra into sub-spectra leading to a fractal structure allows for a "vastness and oneness" as you would put it. But science is pretty much pointing towards the same thing, the electromagnetic spectrum can be fractally divided into pretty much all other energy. The whole concept of octaves and notes leading to a fractal structure is what I was having in mind, as this reoccurs everywhere in nature, even in the structure of the solar system.

Don't mean to be a downer, but I doubt that there's any correspondance between the chakras and the solar system. Chakras are a way of talking about regions within the body and by getting these in tune your body functions more effeciantly. They're not nearly as esoteric and strange as people make them out to be. They are a map through which you can become more aware of the inner workings of your body and live a more enjoyable and stress free life.

I like that, chakras are a way of talking about regions within the body.
I Wonder if it is a way that we can talkk about the solar system as though it were a single body as well.

Simple answer is 'lol no'.

The solar system does not effect the human body unless direct contact is involved i.e. solar radiation or a meteorite hitting you on the head.

Seven colors might be arbitrary. But seven notes of a scale is based off of the sequence of harmonics inherent in any note taken as the tonic. In other words, if you take a vibrating acoustic object, say a guitar string, and lightly touch it without damping the whole vibration with your finger as you go up and down the string, you arrive at 7 distinct notes: Do Re Mi Fa Sol La Ti. And Do again is the octave, which is double the first do in frequency. The same happens with a column of air in a flute if you blow the fundamental tonic, then blow harder, you come up with the fifth, harder, then the octave, even harder, you come up with the third, etc. etc. until all seven notes are accounted for.

In sacred geometry 7 is attributed to vibrations and frequencies of sine waves. No other place in nature does seven manifest other than frequencies of vibration, be it light or sound. There is no seven sided crystal, for example. So seven chakras does have to do with light and sound, at least sympathetically. In the same way light has harmonics, and that is how the seven colors are come up with. Red and violet are either ends of the visible spectrum. We are not talking about mixing paint here, but harmonics of light wave vibration.

How this applies to the solar system I don't know. I am sure there are correspondences with the geocentric planets according to esoteric occult teachings, with the seven days of the week, the tarot, etc.. What this means to you is up to you. I don't think it is too important for me to think about now. The chakras have more to do with the five elements (the five states of matter). There being two chakras that are above the elements. Actually the seventh chakra on the crown is not a classical chakra per se, but a gateway.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

In sacred geometry 7 is attributed to vibrations and frequencies of sine waves. No other place in nature does seven manifest other than frequencies of vibration, be it light or sound. There is no seven sided crystal, for example.

Seven spot ladybird here, not amused.

Cool seven spotted ladybird beetle! Is it symmetrical?

Dannon from what I understood from your explanation, astrology uses sacred geometry to describe the solar system right?

Well, the ancient egyptian merkaba also uses sacred geometry to describe the chakra system.

So sacred geometry might be a relationship between chakras and the solar system. Any thoughts?

English might be a relationship between quantum field theory and the tele-tubbies.

Lol . I think I get your point. Good point. Yes of course english is a relationship, because the theory is in english, and tele-tubbies is in english. But is this relationship a meaningful one or is it related to this topic? I don't think so.

Is the relationship of sacred geometry a meaningful one? I don't know. That is what I'm asking. But I do believe it is very much related to the topic of chakras and the solar system.

English is a means of description. As such, it does not constitute a relationship between quantum field theory and the teletubbies. At best, one could say that some papers on QFT are written in English and that the teletubbies is originally written in English. However English is not necessary for QFT as one could very well develop the theory in, e.g., German and teletubbies can be translated to another language as well.

Is Sacred Geometry meant to be a means of description?

So you're arguing because sacred geometry is a means of description it does not constitute a valid relationship between chakras and the solar system? Ok good point. Nevertheless I think it's an interesting connection.