Thread: The 2012 'Paradigm Shift.' Is it in its beginning stages?

Originally Posted by Xei

I'm just asking what's important about the year 2012 in itself, it's a perfectly reasonable question. As in, why 2012 and not some other time period?

Because of the whole "prophecy," theory, belief thing surrounding 2012, and its scale - as was outlined in the OP. I'm pretty sure you understand. "Why 2012," as I went over specific events that seem to go along with the 'prophecy' and its many interpretations. I'm not talking general "oh, weird things happen all the time," I'm talking about events that can be interpreted as closely related to the theories themselves. Don't know how much clearer I can be than that.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

I don't think current events are that significant in the grand scheme of things. Basically a few dictators in relatively minor countries got ousted and a few other countries rumbled a bit. This is nothing compared to the events leading up to the dissolution of the Eastern Block and the Soviet Union in the late 80s, or the two world wars several decades earlier. If anything events seem to have gotten less significant with time.

Good point, Spart. I do not know much about the period surrounding the dissolution of the Eastern Block and the Soviet Union - nor, admittedly, much about the specific idiologies that led up to the wars. I will look into them more, as well as how those time periods may or may not be more or less closely related to the whole 2012 than the period we are in now..

Originally Posted by Xei

Yes, I was thinking of similar things. In more recent times there has been the economic collapse, the 9/11 attacks, and the advent of the computer age and the creation of the internet.

Personally, I don't think either of those events, alone, hold as many connections to the theory as what is going on right now.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

[/INDENT]Because of the whole "prophecy," theory, belief thing surrounding 2012, and its scale - as was outlined in the OP. I'm pretty sure you understand. "Why 2012," as I went over specific events that seem to go along with the 'prophecy' and its many interpretations. I'm not talking general "oh, weird things happen all the time," I'm talking about events that can be interpreted as closely related to the theories themselves. Don't know how much clearer I can be than that.

But it's 2011?

Seriously, what I'm saying is that there is no reason to believe the changes should be pinned down to 21/12/12 or whatever it is; I mean, even the historical 'Mayans thought there would be a cosmic shift' thing is not actually based on fact. I'm saying you can hypothesise on some kind of trend or shift based on current events if you want but the 2012 date is just an assertion, why are you lending credence to it?

Personally, I don't think either of those events, alone, hold as many connections to the theory as what is going on right now.

You would rate this event as more important than the creation of the internet? The internet has instantaneously linked all humans on Earth, made information insuppressible, and the Egypt protests were basically a facet of that larger event.

Originally Posted by Xei

But it's 2011?

I know what year it is. I also understand that, the domino effect that seems to be going on is in its beginning stages. It's not over and done with. Many of the revolutions haven't even happened, they are - as now - simply protests. The fact that it's only 2011 now is, again, irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Xei

Seriously, what I'm saying is that there is no reason to believe the changes should be pinned down to 21/12/12 or whatever it is; I mean, even the historical 'Mayans thought there would be a cosmic shift' thing is not actually based on fact. I'm saying you can hypothesise on some kind of trend or shift based on current events if you want but the 2012 date is just an assertion, why are you lending credence to it?

I'm not "lending credence" to it, Xei. Not anywhere in this thread have I "lent credence" to it. I am entertaining it, in light of how closely the events can be attributed to the most widespread interpretations of the theory. I know the theory is not based on fact. I understand that it's just an assertion. But it is a popular one, and I'm humoring it. Again, how much clearer can I make myself?

Originally Posted by Xei

You would rate this event as more important

I'm going to stop you right there, and say "NO!"
Again, please pay attention to what I'm saying. I have not said that anything presented in the thread is more "important" than anything else. I said that - given the factors - it can be most closely related to the aspects of the theory; the religious/spiritual base of the areas in conflict, the moral implications of the feuds, etc. etc. (which have much less to do with the Internet, if at all). There is no one here that said anything about importance or trying to imply the theories are true, or whatever else it is you are (quite strangely) trying to negate.

I am simply trying to compare (and/or contrast) the interpretations of the popular notions of the whole 2012 "theory" with what is going on today. Is anybody else having that much trouble understanding this?