Thread: Pyrokinesis: Possible or impossible?

Originally Posted by Will1

Lol! Oh yes, I did - common sense would tell you we're not operating at full capacity, do you have reason to believe we are?

And the 10% figure comes frommm...

I know you didn't.

If I could internet choke you, I would. Right now. You want sources? You don't know who I am or what I'm capable of, for you to say something like that just ticked me off.

No scientific communities doing research on the subject, eh? Apparently there is a world of information you don't know about

...why are you now lying to me? We both know that what you said isn't true, so what possible motive could you have? Please don't tell me you're convincing yourself by knocking down these blatant strawmen.

"There's no research demonstrating things like telekinesis are real" is patently NOT the same statement as "there's no research being done into things like telekinesis", so why are you pretending it is?

Code:

parapsych.org/
princeton.edu/~pear/
youtube.com/watch?v=4jgMzcRxxEE
youtube.com/watch?v=ZdEl8OlQlLc&feature=related
youtube.com/watch?v=FeFuc-qFKoA&feature=related

(I can't hyperlink it because I have to be a member for 7 days, sorry.)

Actually I have read about PEAR before, contrary to what you keep telling yourself about my ignorance. It was shut down a while ago for being a laughing stock and a complete waste of resources. Their entire premise was to do millions of random processes and see if people could affect the outcome. After years and years they had something like a 0.000001% deviance and they were claiming that this is statistical proof that there is an effect, it's ridiculous. Nobody has accepted this.

Just because you didn't see it doesn't take away from its possibility.

I could just tell you to read my previous posts.

Obviously somebody's never having seen something does not mean it does not exist, but it does mean that there is absolutely no reason to positively think that it does exist. If you're still struggling with this concept I refer you back to the analogy of the teapot orbiting the sun.

And research can only be done on the objects, not telekinesis itself so that means nothing.

Apparently you don't understand the basics of scientific investigation.

If something has a physical effect, then it can be confirmed or denied by science. Science does not need to understand an effect to confirm that it exists. Obviously the whole of science has progressed by doing the latter first, in fact.

If telekinesis is real, it is extremely easy to test. You sit somebody down in a room. You tell them to move an object to a random location in the room. If they do this repeatedly then that is scientific confirmation of a person's intention causing objects to move.

You are. A man can't see his feet if his subconscious believes they aren't there.

...you're just asserting again. You totally ignored what I said. I believe in lucid dreaming, as do other scientists, even though it is strange. This is because it has evidence. I do not believe in psi, etc., because there has never been any convincing evidence. This is such an obvious principle; how can you possibly argue with it?

Was that a joke? You don't know the world very well.

You've clearly shown yourself to have no good idea what scientific investigation actually is. Can you even delineate for me a general picture of the scientific method?

You're talking about a group of people who believe that the universe is 13.7 billion years old, expanded from a single point, and now contains more than 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 burning points of light arranged in massive spirals, the centres of which contain infinitely dense collections of mass which bend space so much that they suck in all light and cause objects inside to speed to the end of time; a group of people who believe that every person, and every other living thing, is descended from a single 4 billion year old minuscule blob of organic materials.

And you have such an incredible lack of understanding that you call these people 'closed minded'!? It's such a hilariously weak defence, it doesn't even bear thinking about. What you actually mean by 'open minded' is 'people who believe in things for which there is no reason to believe', without understanding that having an open mind does not necessitate you throw criticality out of the window and start believing in fairies. Scientists are probably the most open minded group in history, that's why their enterprise has been so hugely successful.

There is evidence in the PSI field, you fail to see it - and don't assume nobody ever observed it. I've used it firsthand. Now I know you haven't done much research on it, because a little research would show you the reports number in the millions in comparison to lucid dreaming.

So you keep saying, yet I have looked, found nothing, and you've given no evidence at all that this is the case.

Originally Posted by Xei

Well, not infinite

On the contrary, everything we know today relies on a different perception of things which somebody brought forward. Different perceptions are brought into the world once a new person is born. Unless humans were to suddenly become unable to reproduce (which doesn't look likely), that means that mankind will continually grow in possibilities and knowledge. This continual growth means infinite perceptions, which means infinite possibilities, and since perceptions govern to-date knowledge, that means knowledge is also infinite.

Infinite knowledge would presumably require infinite humans... and I don't think they would fit in the universe.

You forget that people die?

Xei, your argument to me isn't worth the quote.

All you did just now is prove my point your close-minded, and if you still don't believe you are, look at your defensiveness.
You only pointed out the PEAR resource I gave you and neglected everything else given to help defend your argument, but that only proved my point.

And yes, you don't know the scientific community very well. When you say these people are only open minded, we're talking about sheep who accepted something into their community only after somebody who wasn't a nay-sayer go through hell just to get it accepted and proven, sorry but the modern day community doesn't know crap compared to the ancient civilizations that showed them over half the things they knew today without the tools they have.

The ancient civilizations knew more about the stars and planets that modern day scientists are only just now learning today. You are a fool to believe scientists are open minded, they are the most close minded people in the world.

Ancient Egypt - Modern day scientists still can't figure out the mathematics behind the pyramids and still can't replicate one even with the tools. Egyptians also had mystery schools and passed these sciences down through generations and today we still have those schools with advanced sciences - with telekinesis included in the material. We call this society the "Rosicrucians".

Science only comes after the theory, sorry - if your strictly science, your going to be on the slow end of the creative process.

You make false assumptions pretty quick, and when I call you close minded - try to think why I might call you that while your typing your next message.

"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction." - Albert Einstein

Open mindedness is NOT the same as blindy accepting dumb fairy tales without any proof.

Will, if you would stop saying that there is proof and provide some, please. Thank you. YOU have the burden of proof, since YOU are the one making the positive claim.

The ancient sivilizations knew nothing compared to us. Sure, they might've realized the basic movements of planets and such, but they sure as heck didn't know what the starts were made of, how long they had been there, how they came there, and why they were even visible.

Can't replicate a pyramid? Who would invest the resources into making such a useless journey. Sure, it'd be interesting, but nobody is really trying to do it that seriously.

Science is needed to compile the theory. Before that, it's a hypothesis. If it is not more possible than other insane hypothesises, it's as useless as any rambling of an insane man.

Jussi, it's ignorance like yours which causes wars, I'm afraid.

Originally Posted by JussiKala

Open mindedness is NOT the same as blindy accepting dumb fairy tales without any proof.

Will, if you would stop saying that there is proof and provide some, please. Thank you. YOU have the burden of proof, since YOU are the one making the positive claim.

I see. You must excuse me, I tend to forget you left-brainers require sources because you can't find it yourself.

How about this?
youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc

I hope that doesn't go over your head, study it.

You know, I thought you were going somewhere with this until...

Originally Posted by JussiKala

The ancient sivilizations knew nothing compared to us. Sure, they might've realized the basic movements of planets and such, but they sure as heck didn't know what the starts were made of, how long they had been there, how they came there, and why they were even visible.

Civilizations*
You must've lost your mind, they knew everything compared to us. Basic movements? They had complete layouts and mappings of the stars, using mathematics today that we still don't have a hint on how they discovered. Half of the planets they have mapped out isn't even visible using the human eye, and today we haven't a clue on how they knew about it.

Even their pyramids were mapped out across the land according to the stars. That was a foolish statement, if only you knew how much they did... The only reason we know over half of what we do is because of them, and we're still learning from them. What do you think, they were stupid? They had the most advanced mathematics in the world, do your research.

Originally Posted by JussiKala

Can't replicate a pyramid? Who would invest the resources into making such a useless journey. Sure, it'd be interesting, but nobody is really trying to do it that seriously.

Useless? The pyramids are the most stable structures in the world, they survived thousands of years through floods and droughts, while modern day structures barely last a few years. They invented the light bulb AND air conditioning through practical mathematics, most people don't know that. I'm guessing your one of them?

Originally Posted by JussiKala

Science is needed to compile the theory. Before that, it's a hypothesis. If it is not more possible than other insane hypothesises, it's as useless as any rambling of an insane man.

There is science behind it.

Will1's IQ is over 9000.

Originally Posted by Will1

Ancient Egypt - Modern day scientists still can't figure out the mathematics behind the pyramids and still can't replicate one even with the tools.

Hahahaha...omg

I guess you've never stayed at the Luxor. The pyramid is accurate in proportion to Khufu's pyramid, yet it's slightly larger, is mostly hollow, and lights up at night.

Originally Posted by cmind

The pyramid is accurate in proportion to Khufu's pyramid, yet it's slightly larger, is mostly hollow, and lights up at night.

You just stated yourself that it's not a replica, therefore reinforcing Will1's point. Nice job.

Leaving thread due to excess stupid, gullible, ignorant, and lack of reading skills.

Originally Posted by Xei

Leaving thread due to excess stupid, gullible, false, and lack of reading skills.

No, your leaving due to your inability to comprehend what "open minded" means, and your trying to insult us? Your the one backing out of something you jumped into.

Originally Posted by Xei

Leaving thread due to excess stupid, gullible, ignorant, and lack of reading skills.

If you're going to contribute to my thread, please don't ragequit when your point has been proven invalid. Thank you.

Originally Posted by LucidJuggalo

If you're going to contribute to my thread, please don't ragequit when your point has been proven invalid. Thank you.

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein

When somebody claims that a bunch of dudes who thought the Sun went round the Earth and thought there were five planets knew vastly more than scientists today, I think I'm allowed to draw a line.

Speaking of which, the initial subject has derailed pretty much entirely. Back to pyrokinesis?

Will1, your credibility seems to have an inverse relationship with the number of posts you make in this topic. The reason no one here takes you seriously is because you spout ignorant dribble and never have anything to show for it. You can't make baseless assertions and just expect people to believe you.

Originally Posted by Will1

Science only comes after the theory, sorry - if your strictly science, your going to be on the slow end of the creative process.

Actually, science comes in after a falsifiable hypothesis. A scientific theory has been well tested and observed; theory is what comes after science.

Originally Posted by snoop

Actually, science comes in after a falsifiable hypothesis. A scientific theory has been well tested and observed; theory is what comes after science.

I know this steers off course completely, but if you're going down that road, I can list a fine example of science being totally wrong: Evolution; the man evolving from the ape. That is complete nonsense.

This is the bit where the train crashes and explodes.

Originally Posted by snoop

Will1, your credibility seems to have an inverse relationship with the number of posts you make in this topic. The reason no one here takes you seriously is because you spout ignorant dribble and never have anything to show for it. You can't make baseless assertions and just expect people to believe you.

Force of habit, I already provided some sources but if we're still on the Egypt matter...

-Documentary-
youtube.com/watch?v=W6xjcKaTSW8

-This one is on Egypt's mystical geometry-
youtube.com/watch?v=czISLzICp9s

Originally Posted by snoop

Actually, science comes in after a falsifiable hypothesis. A scientific theory has been well tested and observed; theory is what comes after science.

You mean you begin building something before you have the idea? Interesting technique you got there.

Originally Posted by Xei

When somebody claims that a bunch of dudes who thought the Sun went round the Earth and thought there were five planets knew vastly more than scientists today, I think I'm allowed to draw a line.

Those were the white civilizations who thought that, not the ancient Egyptians.

Originally Posted by Xei

This is the bit where the train crashes and explodes.

I thought you chickened out already? Don't make random comments that don't contribute because if your going to contribute, prove my last reply to you wrong and we'll see how that turns out.

I'd ask if you have any evidence but I think at this point that'd be extremely blockheaded of me.

Originally Posted by Xei

I'd ask if you have any evidence but I think at this point that'd be extremely blockheaded of me.

Your still doing it. And it would, considering I already shared with you the video of the double slit experiment which proves the observer has an effect on his environment, and when the observer isn't present - everything is everywhere meaning anything is possible and/or happening right now.

youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc