But why? I don't understand the inference. |
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Yes and no. Not because of anything we've done directly, but merely because we exist. |
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But why? I don't understand the inference. |
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The inference is that the FACT that we exist at all means that life is possible. Yet people choose to believe that we are alone, or the most advanced. Both are symbols of our ego. The FACT that humans are young in the universe also proves that intelligent life can evolve rather quickly. Just because our government hasn't admitted it, or YOU haven't seen it doesn't mean it isn't there. Hence... Absence of proof is not Proof of absence. |
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I would say probably not. I do beleve there is life out there though, but it seems unlikely that that they even know about us. |
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All successful people men and women are big dreamers. They imagine what their future could be, ideal in every respect, and then they work every day toward their distant vision, that goal or purpose.
It's best to have failure happen early in life. It wakes up the Phoenix bird in you so you rise from the ashes.
This isn't about ego, this is just about rational argument. Bringing ego into it is an ad hominem. To address your actual argument: yes it proves it's possible, but it says nothing about how probable it is (other than the fact that the probability isn't 0). There could be a hundred intelligent civilisations in our galaxy (though I doubt that because of the Fermi paradox). There could be two; there could only be the one. Same for the universe. Same for life in general rather than intelligent civilisations. The probabilities of these things are complete unknowns. |
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Way, way, way, way less than 20%, depending on how you define intelligence. 20% more accurately describes the length of time flowering plants have been here. |
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Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
Are you saying human beings will make up 20% of earth's life bearing period after the planet gets wiped out by an asteroid then? I don't think you can factor probability into the future either so I don't know what you could mean other than earth's history of bearing life, which humans make up less than a fraction of 1% of. |
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Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
Xei, your math is off buddy. I don't know where to start... First off, the sun is only halfway through its main phase, meaning that it still has roughly 5 billion years before it goes all red giant on us. More than enough time to develop the tech required to move our species around the cosmos and survive. Secondly, 500 million years isn't 20 percent of earth time, it's more like 10 percent. Earth is 4.5 billion years old. Life began to show it was getting complicated around 500 million years ago, not intelligent. The first mammals appeared around 250 million years ago, with the first primates evolving around 65 million years ago. Great apes showed up around 15 million years ago with our closest ancestor showing up around 6 million years ago. So, xei, what percent would you put 6 million years at? Thats the blink of an eye my friend. So yes, humans evolved rather quickly. Ask yourself how many times a human like civilization could have arisen already, given that the universe is almost 15 billion years old... |
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Why do you think life will only end at the point the Sun turns into a red giant? |
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You go ahead and follow this link and tell me which is the first animal you would consider intelligent and tell me why. Then when you figure out that life was not intelligent 1 billion years ago, you can let go of the 20%. |
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Your right, evolution isn't something one can accurately predict, but I choose to believe that an intelligent species has the potential to evolve at anytime. What happens if in a few million years we see rise to a mice bipedal race? |
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I have a feeling if there is a civilized life form on earth at the time its life-bearing period expires, they won't be human. We'll most likely make up a blink of an eye in earth's greater time-scale. |
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Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
I have literally no idea what you're talking about. |
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I see where we got mistaken. Your figure is still only correct if the sun follows what they predict. Then yes, only 20 percent of the time earth has been inhabited did intelligent species arise. I still believe that an intelligent species can arise at any time. It only took us a few million years to separate from our ancestors and become what we are today. |
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Gone places I've never been
And done things I'd do again.
www.walkthedreamscape.wordpress.com
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You must really like aliens xei. You've been coming to this same thread for over a year now. Tell me, why don't you believe that we have been visited? |
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Also remember that humans were extremely close to being wiped out (our total population size got down to about 1000) and all our close, intelligent cousins were wiped out. Heidelbergensis and Neanderthals were just about as intelligent as us. Heidelbergensis a little less so but much stronger and taller. |
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I don't believe we've been visited because I don't see any evidence that would support that notion. If you can provide some then great. Absence of evidence for X is not proof that X is not true, but it does mean that there's no reason to believe X. |
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That depends on your definition of proof. You obviously haven't gotten yours. I've seen enough evidence for my proof. You spend enough hours researching the subject and you should see it. It's obvious that something is going on. There was an incident here in my hometown that I witnessed. I was a believer before that, but this sparked my interest like never before. El paso Texas October 2010 ups. It's on YouTube. |
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Gone places I've never been
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All I see is a video of an object burning up in the atmosphere. Explain the line of implication from 'disintegrating object in the sky' to 'we are being watched by an intelligent race of aliens'. |
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You see many objects that hover after entering our atmosphere? |
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I Dreamed a Dream
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Gone places I've never been
And done things I'd do again.
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And my god man, do you only focus on one thing that I say? I also said that if you spent enough time researching the subject that you would see, yet you decided to criticize a single video instead. Look around man |
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You said look for evidence and then you gave me what you said was a piece of evidence. Looking at the piece of evidence you gave and then enquiring about it was unacceptable? Okay, you're losing me bro... |
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