Thread: Have Aliens made contact?

Okay tommo, you're basically just failing or pretending to fail to understand the simple message at hand here, alongside inane logical fallacies that I'd normally expect from trolls. Feel free to carry on the discussion whenever you're ready to read my posts objectively and reply to their actual content.

Originally Posted by Xei

Okay tommo, you're basically just failing or pretending to fail to understand the simple message at hand here, alongside inane logical fallacies that I'd normally expect from trolls. Feel free to carry on the discussion whenever you're ready to read my posts objectively and reply to their actual content.

His post makes a lot more sense than yours. You're trying to deny something that all basic theory supports and you're wiggling through it by saying it hasn't been proven yet. It's just a reverse God posit.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

The complexities of carbon-based biochemistry (which is the only possible chemistry for physical sentient beings to exist)

I disagree, silicone based life forms could also exist. I read something about it recently. There's probably more chemicals that life could be based on, not just carbon.

Plus the Earth's atmosphere reflects radiation from the Sun, so there's no reason we, or other intelligent species would not be able to recreate that for a space ship.
Also as Omnis said, there are probably wormholes, which would shorten travel. And we will soon replace our bodies with machines, so life span doesn't matter.

Originally Posted by Xei

Okay tommo, you're basically just failing or pretending to fail to understand the simple message at hand here, alongside inane logical fallacies that I'd normally expect from trolls. Feel free to carry on the discussion whenever you're ready to read my posts objectively and reply to their actual content.

This is the response I'd normally expect from someone who has nothing further to add.
I did read your posts thoroughly. Also I did reply to their content, which is why I separately quoted sections.

Please tell me, what is the simple message at hand here?

You did this same thing in the chaos thread, without the annoyed exit-post. You just stopped replying.

I'm all for being educated, if you really think you're right. No need to get pissy.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

Right but you're assuming their travel has to move through space. What I'm saying is if these beings are 4th dimensional, as many have suggested already (and pretty much anyone with a good enough background in UFOs is claiming these days) then they can travel by bending the 3 dimensional space and creating a wormhole.

A worm-hole corridor point of contact would be singularity to singularity, although mathematically possible what do you think is the practicality of an alien traveling though such a thing?

Originally Posted by Tomo

I disagree, silicone based life forms could also exist. I read something about it recently. There's probably more chemicals that life could be based on, not just carbon.

Maybe they could but the information we know based off our current model of the universe would not favor silicon-based life. Silicon would be poorly suited for biochemistry on Earth-like planets. Afaik, silicon is far less versatile than carbon in forming compounds. Also if they were to breath utilizing oxygen as we do (which I'm sure they would have to) when they exhale it would be in the form of Silica.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

A worm-hole corridor point of contact would be singularity to singularity, although mathematically possible what do you think is the practicality of an alien traveling though such a thing?

I think the dimensional vortex is integral to the observer and as long as you have an observational capacity you also have instant access to a wormhole (90 degrees to your right)

I've made contact.

Yes

"There are an extensive number of extraterrestrial races known to be currently interacting with Earth and the human population. In a 1998 interview, Clifford Stone, a retired U.S. army Sergeant who served in the U.S. Army for 22 years and participated in covert operations to retrieve crashed extraterrestrial ships and extraterrestrial biological entities (EBE’s), revealed there were a total of 57 extraterrestrial races known to the U.S. military. [2] From this pool of extraterrestrial races, a number are more active than others in interacting with humanity, and can be claimed to have the most significance for human evolution and sovereignty. The extensive number of reports and testimonies concerning different extraterrestrial races indicates that the motivations and activities of extraterrestrial races vary greatly, and an idea of these motivations can be distilled from close examination of these reports and testimonies."

ET Motivations

Here's a video for people who don't like to read http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5m...289#from=embed

I've seen perhaps one alien insectoid. It was not in that list tho.

And if you don't believe us, perhaps u will believe ur government.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSNdkU1u9LY

"It's evidence that has been denied to the American people"
Lol nice, you would think that if he had hard evidence of aliens, he would be talking about the world as a whole, not still be stuck in a political, Americocentric, fragmented world view.

Oh damn now he know it's BS cause he's an american talking about americans who worked for an american agency that dealt with keeping secrets from americans.

Well the poll reflects 52% disbelievers.. for a community devoted to consciousness research this is sad ,,,, and a definite surprise to me.
The evidence is massive ... if one researches beyond the popular media.
US polls seem to say 70-85% of American feel the govt is covering up the truth ... regarding UFO sightings .... after 50 years of govt secrecy folks are waking up... AND coming out ...with their documented experiences.

Never argue with a skeptic, they have every right to keep their beliefs, for as long as they can deny the alternatives.


Schopenhauer
"Every truth passes through 3 stages before it is recognised."
1 It is ridiculed
2 It is opposed
3 It is regarded as self evident

I think if I had included a "Don't know" or "no opinion" option the poll results would be in favor of alien contact

There do seem to be some interesting evidences of alien contact in the present or past. I hope Im still alive for the day when some ETs are made known to the masses.

Hmmm. Just a cruise by observation.

As of this posting, 21 people favor alien contact and 24 people don't.

However, of those 21 people favoring, 10 are certain of their views whereas only 5 of those opposing are.

I claim that this constitutes strong circumstantial evidence that those opposing are more rational.

Well yes, but they all died out during the cold war.

I haven't read everyone's posts in this thread so forgive me if I reiterate...

Extraterrestrials exist. Given how young the human race is and how far we've come technologically, it is safe to assume that older races exist and they have technology superior to ours. Scientists have been discovering interesting things regarding life. For instance, they discovered an organism that lives and thrives in arsenic, which is poisonous to just about everything else living. Another example is an organism that was found frozen in a lake in Alaska. They said this specimen was 32,000 years old, but that's not the best part. When they defrosted it, it became alive. Just as if nothing had happened to it. This is the first time anything like this has ever been witnessed.

The same man who found that organism also has been deep in research on some rare meteorites that have the potential to prove life can exist elsewhere in the universe. He found bacteria basically on this meteorite, along with dozens of amino acids, which are the building blocks of life. Another interesting tidbit is that he claims the bacteria from the meteorite resembles a bacteria that we have here on earth...

This makes sense for one reason. Given that it is so difficult to find a planet capable of sustaining intelligent life, or so it seems, littering the cosmos with the building blocks of life ensures that life will exist where it can. Or it will wait until the planet is ready, surviving in extreme conditions until it can evolve.

The reason that they don't just land and say hi is because they have been watching us, they know the majority of people will react in a stupid, impulsive manner. They have been around for a long, long time. Our inability to play nice with others is the reason. If you all look deep enough into the subject, you will find that not once has a suspected UFO ever shot down another plane, or fire a weapon at anyone. They always either outmaneuver our planes, or disable or weapons. These are signs of a mature race. They obviously have far superior tech and could crush us whenever they please, but life is precious. Especially complex life. Unfortunately complex life has its drawbacks... Like war, paranoia, distrust...

When we are ready to show good hospitality and can demonstrate a use of our technology that shows we care about more than just ourselves, then they make contact with humanity as a whole.

Originally Posted by PlanesWalker

Extraterrestrials exist. Given how young the human race is and how far we've come technologically, it is safe to assume that older races exist...

Well for a start this doesn't seem to follow logically..?

I guess I should elaborate. The human race is young relatively speaking. The earth is far older than ourselves and the universe is far older than that. Given how "young" we are, we have come a great length technologically. We reached our moon fifty years after flying for the first time using paper and wood. A race of beings that have developed on a planet even older than our own, would most likely be older than ourselves. Therefore, it is safe to assume that since the universe is about 200 percent older than our planet, their can species older than us. So following what the dominant species has done on this planet, the extraterrestrial beings would also have evolved their technology rapidly. Not to say it would necessarily be the same tech, but it is reasonable. As our understanding of the universe we live in grows, so does technology. If you give a child a loaded gun, you can expect hazard. But if the child learns to appreciate and understand what the gun can do, the child doesn't blow it's head off. Humans are the child.

Yes I agree that a given civilisation would likely be millions of years ahead of us technologically, but that doesn't prove that the civilisation exists in the first place.

If it did, we wouldn't be having this conversation. I never said I had proof either.

Imply, then.

So I guess the only way to prove something to you is hit you over the head with it?

I don't know what you're talking about. You said we can assume other races exist because of the youth and technological development of humanity, i.e. the latter implies the former. Why?