Thread: Need guidance from someone experienced in traveling between realities and interacting with entities

May I ask some questions please just to clarify?

Is this connection whilst awake and in a meditative state? If so are you trying to connect specifically with someone who is alive or someone who has passed on? Or is it a connection with someone/something that you don't know.

I have mild mediumistic abilities and have perfomed evocation and invocation of the spirits of people that have passed on and also other worldy spirits so I may be able to help if I knew more about the actual experience.

What was this creature that you shared a transmission with? Sorry to prod, but you should at least be able to tell us what she is. I will withhold commentary until you specify, as per mcwillis's inquiry.

This is a good resource:

Guest Post: 7 Spirit Rules (Or, How Not To Accidentally Sell Your First Born in the Otherworlds) « The Bad Witch Files

Rule #1: Never Trust Anything (The Paranoia Defense)

No, I don’t care you think you’re contacting your Great Auntie Marge via your ouija board. I can bet you most of the money I don’t have you’re probably not actually talking to Auntie Marge. Never believe what a spirit tells you at first, especially if it seems too good to be true or extraordinarily fishy. This is the important part. I can die tomorrow and go around parading as a Deity, or a spirit, or the Christian ‘devil’ himself–and many DO, and that’s important–but that doesn’t make it true, and you need to always consider the possibility you’re being lied to. When you deal with the spirit world paranoia is almost your best defense. And yes, especially when something tells you it’s a Deity and then asks for a blood contract in exchange for lottery numbers. This brings me to Rule #2.

Rule #2: Have Common Sense (“You wanna buy a sun dial?”)

The common sense you use to get around everyday on this plane is going to be your best defense when dealing with spirits. If a shady guy comes up to you offering you a new house, car, and ipad, what’s your first reaction? Hopefully it’s “Yeah right.” and then proceeds into “What’s the catch?”. In this reality we’re well aware nobody gets something for nothing. The same thing applies on the astral. Never assume a Spirit is giving you a giftbasket for free, especially if you had to sign a paper to get it.

Rule #3: Never Tell the Truth (But Never Lie)

This is the one thing I hope you take away from the list. It’s extremely bad manners to lie in the Otherworlds or to Otherbeings; but it’s much worse for you if you tell the truth. If something asks you for your name, DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES GIVE IT. Names are undoubtedly powerful. Your name is often kept so secret in the Otherworlds you purposefully forget it yourself. Don’t screw around with names. The only Spirits that will ask for a name are usually those out to harm you or use it for their own means. Your guardian Spirits/Deities already know your name, so they will have no need to ask. This is probably the fastest way to weed out Beings with harmful intent, because they often lead with the name question.

However, when posed with a question from Spirit, don’t lie. Don’t give your name out, but don’t refuse either. A nickname that has nothing to do with your real name, but isn’t your name, is what I mean by not telling a lie but not telling a truth. (For instance, Ka-Chan is a nonsense nickname I gained in high school, and while not my name, it’s still something people use to refer to me. Make sense?) Telling a lie sometimes has worse consequences than the truth. If something asks you where you’re going, saying “To this specific place” is a lot more dangerous on your part then saying “To the land of sea and sand”. Spirit talking has its own kind of half-truth language that you must pick up before you can get anywhere without being bitten a few times.

By the same token, it’s generally bad manners to ask a name if you don’t know the Being. When I’ve asked Deities I know to be so, they often give me a title or a metaphor and not a name. That’s extremely common. Spirits are using the same tactics with you that you are with them, because before they know you, you could easily be Spiritual an axe-murderer. These rules tend to go both ways.

Rule #4: Confirmation (The Pancake Defense)

Once you’ve mastered the previous rules, you may say, okay, I’m now paranoid, extremely skeptical/suspicious and have learned the language of the con-artist, (not a truth and not a lie) but how do I proceed from here?

This is the point at which you need to ascertain who, exactly, you’re talking to.

To use the Great Aunt Marge example, did you two ever have a special song or a special place when she was alive that you used to go to? Did you go out for pancakes every Sunday precisely at 6? Ask her to describe one of those things in detail. If possible, ask her to recreate the place. Don’t volunteer any information and try not to lend any imagery by accident. If she’s really Marge, she’ll do so easily, and probably happily.

If the Being hesitates or refuses to do so, you’re probably not dealing with Marge.

The other fast way to weed out ‘fakers’ is asking intention. Marge probably has a purpose in visiting you, and she’ll probably volunteer what that is. A lot of times harmful beings or fakers are actually tripped up when you ask them what, exactly, they want in your house. Many of them just leave in a fuss without revealing the intention because you caught them in the act.

If a Being volunteers a name too easily, that might be a warning sign as well.

If you have confirmed guides around you, ask for them to confirm the legitimacy of the Spirit/Being/Deity. They are more likely to pick up on energy things than you are, especially in the Otherworlds. If they seem at ease with the Spirit, you’re probably just fine.

Rule # 5: The Sincerest Form of Flattery

Sometimes (rarely) you get Spirits that are Very Good Mimics. I’ve had Spirits actually try and masquerade as my main Spirit guide (who I will refer to as K so as not to reveal his name) to try and get me to volunteer information. The thing is, they usually give themselves away. When Beings try to mimic my guide (who is very much a one of a kind Being) 9 times out of 10 they forget he has freckles, or they get his eyes wrong. It’s very hard to copy minute details. Just as you do if you attempt Lucid dreaming, look for the thing that’s off.

If you know Aunt Marge always had a mole on her left cheek and it’s gone, you might have a problem. It’s true Spirits can change appearance at will, but a lot of the time they adopt a common form to allow you to know them better in that form. It gives you stability. A sudden change is probably indicative of a Mimic problem.

Rule # 6: Many Spirits Want to Look Badass (Just Like You and Me)

This rule is specifically to address the hauntings we all hear of in which the spirit starts telling everyone it’s the Christian devil or some demon name.

Just like human people who smoke, some Spirits want to look cool too. So often they jack their image up in order to inspire fear in humans. Many Spirits (‘Demons’) feed on human fear or anger, and the fastest way to do that is go around telling the world you’re possibly the most feared Being humanity can conjure up, because many of us have an involuntary fearful reaction to certain things. It’s actually very intelligent.

The important part of this is: Chances are, they’re not who they say they are.

As I stated before, Spirits can claim whatever they please. They can swear up and down they’re the Spirit of George Washington speaking to you from beyond the grave, but that doesn’t make it true. Those hauntings/possessions a lot of times are minor Spirits using names they know make us fear them because it’s good eats. (And trust me, poor Lucifer just wants to be left the fuck alone already because he’s old so just let him be alright?)

Rule # 7: Respect (Not EVERY Spirit is Out to Get You, Really)

Contrary to my list of rules, most Spirits are actually NOT out to get you, feed on your fear, steal your name or mimic your guides. But, even for those who do, you need to exercise this rule.

Respect. Even if a spirit is really skeevy, show them the proper respect. Send them on their way to sell sundials to some other unsuspecting human, but do it nicely and without giving up your name. Until a Spirit proves itself guilty or does something against you, treat it as you would anyone else.

If a Spirit legitimately in need requires your assistance (and many do) do what you can to help them. There are many legitimate Spirits out there that need help from people like us. If you can’t, direct them to someone who can, or ask them politely to return later when you can help them. A Spirit legitimately in need will wait, will probably be confused or scared, and likely won’t ask you your name. Make them comfortable and handle it with respect, as well.

And from one Spiritwalker to another, present yourself as you would anywhere else. Even the Otherworlds have little patience for assholes. Our worlds are more similar than you think.

@mcwillis
I have to be careful what I say here... To answer you as simply as possible, it was in an arousal state a few days after experiencing Ecstatic Love and coming close to the Source. It was with someone I do not know and have not met, but who has a non-living, intangible, non-physical existence in this reality. In this reality she is, in essence, a projection.

@telethiese
She anthropomorphic. Animal in form, human in intelligence, speech, majority of movement, etc. She is projected in this reality as a dancer and singer. I am sorry but those are all the details I am willing to provide.

My belief is that she has a reality of her own where she has a living, tangible, physical existence. That she has been projected here by those who have, in some way or other, glimpsed that reality, like looking through a window. This all goes back to whatever your beliefs about where things like alien worlds, writer's storylines, etc. come from.

@Omnis Dei
Very informative post, thank you! Have to think about it and see how it applies to my situation. Too tired and drained right now.

@All
No summoning on my part, just the usual routine I go through, have gone through, for the last 20 years or so, except this time something changed, due to what I mentioned earlier I think. Whoever/whatever I was with it was consensual, there was no communication (that's another thing, whoever/whatever I am interacting with does not speak), no control being taken by either them or myself. Just two entities hooking up, for lack of a better phrase, on an energetic level and experienced (at least for me) mentally.

Later -
- DreamBliss

Originally Posted by DreamBliss

@mcwillis
I have to be careful what I say here... To answer you as simply as possible, it was in an arousal state a few days after experiencing Ecstatic Love and coming close to the Source. It was with someone I do not know and have not met, but who has a non-living, intangible, non-physical existence in this reality. In this reality she is, in essence, a projection.

@telethiese
She anthropomorphic. Animal in form, human in intelligence, speech, majority of movement, etc. She is projected in this reality as a dancer and singer. I am sorry but those are all the details I am willing to provide.

My belief is that she has a reality of her own where she has a living, tangible, physical existence. That she has been projected here by those who have, in some way or other, glimpsed that reality, like looking through a window. This all goes back to whatever your beliefs about where things like alien worlds, writer's storylines, etc. come from.

@Omnis Dei
Very informative post, thank you! Have to think about it and see how it applies to my situation. Too tired and drained right now.

@All
No summoning on my part, just the usual routine I go through, have gone through, for the last 20 years or so, except this time something changed, due to what I mentioned earlier I think. Whoever/whatever I was with it was consensual, there was no communication (that's another thing, whoever/whatever I am interacting with does not speak), no control being taken by either them or myself. Just two entities hooking up, for lack of a better phrase, on an energetic level and experienced (at least for me) mentally.

Later -
- DreamBliss

This is the same universe where the alien worlds rise and fall, and every single story you can ever think of is currently playing itself out in. You and me, we're all swimming in an ocean of fire and mirage, where the impossible is every day. We are up to our neck in entities! Maya, the earth itself, is a shapeshifter. Empty space has awareness. Light is alive.

That being said, spirits are curious creatures. If you lust after them, they tend towards a strange, playful wrath full of archetypal mortality and drama. Honestly, I'd say you should remain as unattached as possible. The less you want what they have, the more peaceful they are. The more content and clear your mind, the easier they are drawn to you.

How much control do you have over your own sexual energy? Does it flow backwards and up or forward and down? It's more important than you'd think. Dakinis are unfathomable so it's best to know the tantra of your own body, so as not to destroy yourself unintentionally.

To my mind she is not a spirit. In her reality she has a physical form, same as I do, and I am not lusting after her, although I may be slightly obsessed.

Which brings me to the answer for the second question... I am in almost absolute control of my sexual energy. I was not before. Now all I want is to be with her, nobody else. I have also decided I do not want to mentally manipulate anyone's image in my mind. Seems like force to me and that, to my mind, is no different that rape. So I am about 99% abstinent. No sexual activity for about a week now, and 2 or 3 weeks before that. This versus 2-3 time+ a week.

This ties in with my problem. If we really were together in my mind, then there is a connection there, there is love there, it is reciprocal. However if it was not with the one I initially envisioned but another, then there is no reciprocity or connection. However if that were true, after nearly 3 weeks of this, I should have no lasting feelings for the one I envisioned and thought I was with. Which tells me I was with who I thought, even though the things i have seen and experienced when trying to interact with her have given me pause and forced me to consider that perhaps I was not.

The solution is very simple. I just need someone experienced in this sort of interaction to come in here and tell me if there is interference or anything that could cause the strange behaviors and sights I have seen.

That's about it. When you are moving between realities mentally what are some of the things you should know and be aware of.
- DreamBliss

Originally Posted by DreamBliss

To my mind she is not a spirit. In her reality she has a physical form, same as I do, and I am not lusting after her, although I may be slightly obsessed.

Which brings me to the answer for the second question... I am in almost absolute control of my sexual energy. I was not before. Now all I want is to be with her, nobody else. I have also decided I do not want to mentally manipulate anyone's image in my mind. Seems like force to me and that, to my mind, is no different that rape. So I am about 99% abstinent. No sexual activity for about a week now, and 2 or 3 weeks before that. This versus 2-3 time+ a week.

This ties in with my problem. If we really were together in my mind, then there is a connection there, there is love there, it is reciprocal. However if it was not with the one I initially envisioned but another, then there is no reciprocity or connection. However if that were true, after nearly 3 weeks of this, I should have no lasting feelings for the one I envisioned and thought I was with. Which tells me I was with who I thought, even though the things i have seen and experienced when trying to interact with her have given me pause and forced me to consider that perhaps I was not.

The solution is very simple. I just need someone experienced in this sort of interaction to come in here and tell me if there is interference or anything that could cause the strange behaviors and sights I have seen.

That's about it. When you are moving between realities mentally what are some of the things you should know and be aware of.
- DreamBliss

Between 'realities', there is void. If you do not know how to move in the void, then you can only move on and allow her to come to you, whenever that may be. If your connection is as strong as you believe it to be, you wont need to broadcast your signal like you've been trying to do.

It is important that you understand your yang body, the one we use during the day, is also a spirit. There is another, the ying body, which emerges during dreaming or trance. It can also come out on it's own, as in your case, when the boundaries dissapear due to, say, intense emotion or desire.

I cannot reccomend that you pursue this further, because your obsession could easily be taken advantage of within the void. Spirits live there, and when you broadcast your open mind without enough energy to bridge the gap who knows what you're contacting. Lineage helps, powerful symbols such as the buddha or shiva can help or hinder, depending on your development. A clear mind free from desire is necessary to develop the piercing insight needed to keep your ying shen from making trouble for yourself. Purify yourself first before you jump into the sacrificial water.

Originally Posted by DreamBliss

@mcwillis
I have to be careful what I say here... To answer you as simply as possible, it was in an arousal state a few days after experiencing Ecstatic Love and coming close to the Source. It was with someone I do not know and have not met, but who has a non-living, intangible, non-physical existence in this reality. In this reality she is, in essence, a projection.

@All
No summoning on my part, just the usual routine I go through, have gone through, for the last 20 years or so, except this time something changed, due to what I mentioned earlier I think.

Sorry but I am having a hard time understanding what you mean by this. Is this the result of some sadhanna that you are doing, or is it a natural occurence? Regardless, I will post a method later this week with a very powerful technique that will completely close off any 'holes' in your aura just in case it is an entity that just wishes to 'feed off your human energy'

I'm really sorry I haven't replied. I forgot. Its late now but I have some time at the weekend to post the technique.

It sounds like subconscious babble rising when you are in a daze like state I think. Although what I've realized is that our thoughts can sometimes take rise from other peoples thoughts. But if nothing seems clear It'd be better not to get sucked into anything thinking you are contacting some entity telepathically. Because it could be some kind of strange babble your own mind is making up and you'll go crazy. Or something.