I come home from work planning to pull an all-nighter to get my homework done and see that like 10 people have responded to me. It's taken half an hour just to read it all, now to respond.
Originally Posted by GavinGill
You're cutting yourself a little short, you're easily one of the more intelligent members of the community. =/
There's a difference between intelligence and knowledgeableness, but thank you.
Originally Posted by Linkzelda41
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Thanks for the post. My grandmother is pretty lively for a woman in her 70's. Her mind seems to work fine. With some old people, whose minds are going, I might attribute some thoughtless behavior to senility or whatever else, but not with her. Still, the knowledge of impending death might be an explanation. Also, about knowledge, I really am ignorant about a lot of the things that most people aren't ignorant of. I don't usually post in threads that I know nothing about, so that ignorance isn't apparent here.
Originally Posted by Alyzarin
I have to agree with Gavin here, Dianeva, you don't come off as ignorant in the slightest. Just because you have a lot more that you want to learn doesn't mean you aren't a smart person, and you're clearly able to really think about things for yourself and use sense, otherwise you wouldn't be so annoyed by your family. Plus, you think about legitimately interesting topics (like animal consciousness) and strive to learn more. It sounds like you're doing pretty good to me. Unfortunately, there's probably not a lot you can do to change the way your parents and grandparents think at this point in their lives. My advice would be to just try to accept that they are the way they are, and maybe slowly try to nudge them in the right direction but don't be too upset if they don't follow, you can't fix everyone and sometimes if someone's happy with how they are you just have to let them be.
Thanks. I am happy with the way I think about things. I just don't know enough. And yeah, as you and others have said, it probably shouldn't bother me. Caring about truth is just a core value that I have and I don't understand why anyone wouldn't, but some people don't, and I have yet to come up with a reason for why truth should matter, so I don't have any real basis for my anger.
Originally Posted by labyrint
wrong facepalm for Picard has met conscious rocks
Nice point, thanks dark for pointing it out. I never saw the episode though.
Originally Posted by labyrint
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A confusing read you have offered, as ever. Yeah, they do all follow a type of spiritualism similar to Buddhism, and that's where most of hteir thoughts are coming from. And maybe my dad did try to ocmmunicate with a child that way, I don't know. He does a few things like that, and seesm to act more like a child while talking to his family who are all adults than when he's on the phone with work people talking about serious stuff, he's like a differnet person. I'm keeping ty pos in like you do, see that? And not thinking much. hehe. When I do talk to them alone about things they are very much more likel ime. They will talk about things I"m interesting in and understand reason. (I think I'm doing the talking like you wrong, but I'm trying for fun!) Whenever I have cornered their thought processes, my mother and brother end up admitting that they don't care about the truth, so that's why I know it comes down to not caring in the end. My parents are very rational, but they and other humans sem to not care about reason while talking about things like philosophy or other things that we can not ever know.
Originally Posted by Xei
I totally empathise, although you got off lightly; I spent this evening with somebody who tried to tell me I should believe in homoeopathy. The worst thing about it is that even after providing a perfect and attentive counter discussion in which I explained how you can't rely on personal experience of homoeopathic healing because you were going to heal at some point anyway, and you simply have to look at studies of many people to see if there is any appreciable difference or not, and how 'maybe it only works on believers' does not somehow nullify this, and how superficially stupid natural remedies like willow bark have actually been assimilated by medicine due to a demonstrable statistical effect, and hence how portraying science as 'closed minded' is ridiculously far of the mark and represents a totally backwards understanding of how to attain knowledge, and after she was compelled to accept every single thing I said; I still heard her a short while later telling somebody else about homoeopathy. No doubt tomorrow she will go back to calling scientists close minded just to protect her ridiculous dogmas. I too get really riled up by people who are such incorrigible cognitive carwrecks, such utterly hypocritical doublethinkers... I sometimes wish we could form a separate nation for rational people to live in. Unfortunately the aforementioned people will probably end up convincing themselves that it's morally legitimate to bomb us for some reason.
Your second sentence is very long. And yes, that sounds annoying, and the same mentally as the people I'm talking about who have a disregard for truth. That nation would be nice.
Originally Posted by Zhaylin
Tommo. Is he neutered? If not he might just be out "tomming" around.
I hope he comes home soon.
A while ago tommo went missing for a week, then I found out he'd just been tommoing around at the beach.
And I do hope you find the cat.
Originally Posted by Singularity125
I'm the sort that tries to be very open minded about things. Yes, even the sorts of things that you facepalm at. Then again, I'm also the sort that hangs around Deep Dreaming, and if I weren't so open minded, I would have to conclude that my best friend is completely insane. (Long story.) But, I just wanted to point out that some people genuinely believe these things and, well, they have the right. Still, I respect everything you said because of this:
The term open-mindedness can have many definitions. Of course it's okay to be willing to consider that any viewpoint might be true. But I think it helps to set a standard for determining likelihood. My problem is with people who ignore evidence and think that, just because everything is possible, means everything is equally likely.
Originally Posted by Singularity125
You were making it clear that it's what you think, and you said likely. Besides, you didn't actually laugh at your family, so, that's always good too. You don't think in absolutes, so we're completely cool. Plus, I wonder on the sorts of things you do, too, and they fascinate me. I am too lazy to go back and find it now, but earlier someone said (I think it was you... I hope it was you, or I'll feel dumb! But this is such a long thread...) that they wondered about why they are who they are, and not someone else. That's something I wonder about all the time! And, with all the esoteric stuff I look into, I still hope to find a way to prove or disprove it, scientifically. So, I think we share that interest in the truth.
I don't think in absolutes. Does anyone? I've had trouble for a while now deciding whether I should use terms like 'likely', 'somewhat', 'in my opinion', 'probably', etc. because those words should be implied anyway for anything that anyone says. But I usually use them anyway, because most people won't realise that. Maybe Alyzarin said what you're thinking, but I did recently start a thread on consciousness and what makes me me, so it could have been me you're thinking of too.
Originally Posted by Singularity125
And, as Gavin says, you are very intelligent indeed! As I'm going through a history of psychology class this semester, I've got to say that you sound like Socrates when you call yourself ignorant. (Long story short: The oracle said he was the wisest around, and he didn't believe it. Finally he realized it was only because he knew he was ignorant, and others didn't even know that much.)
Thanks. But I really am ignorant about a lot that I shouldn't be ignorant about. I know that I'll never know everything, but there are some basics about life that most people know which I for some reason don't. Most fall into the Political category.
Originally Posted by Singularity125
Short version of all this? I believe in some pretty crazy stuff and would probably make you facepalm if you heard half of it. But you're pretty smart and sensible, so it's all good.
Ha, well, I don't ever literally facepalm in real life. And that's the only time I've ever used the emoticon.
Originally Posted by melanieb
everyone (or everypony)
Keep it in the pony thread dude.
Thanks for the post. I just don't agree that there's a different truth for everyone and that they're all equally valid. There is an objective reality, and some beliefs are simply wrong.
[an hour later] Oh my *@(#$ (@^#&, WHY. FUUUUCK
*shoots self*
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