Is quitting an argument considered loosing? or near loosing?

[moskowfreak1111]

Hello, me and this retard keep having arguments, but in almost each one he quits! Its kind of annoying since I have a lot more to say, and he calls it smart. I'll call it smart, a little bit, but if you want to win, quitting is not an option. It's like quitting protecting your country ( which will be a losing strategy. Here's our long (sorry) conversation on facebook: Jacob Madut Thank you captain obvious and also because you were leaving I thought I would be a little nice. Стас stop being a fag "thank you CO", really annoying.. Jacob Madut You say it like almost all the time something is obvious. Стас tell me the last time i said that? Стас can't reply to that, can you? Jacob Madut Wednesday in Study Hall I don't want to type the whole story so you have to use your memory to find out this one. Стас well you said that on friday and today.. Стас any answers to that smart ass? Jacob Madut Who's the one that says "Captain Obvious saves the day" (it's you if you didn't know that) and I don't know how many times you've said it but you must have said it enough times that that's all I hear when someone says something you already know. Стас gotta clean your ears man.. gotta do it, to poor to afford q-tips? Jacob Madut Wow nice comeback buddy ( I can't believe I'm explaining this actually I can because I explain a lot of things to you.) Okay umm when I said "I don't know how many times you've said it but you must have said it enough times that that's all I hear when someone says something you already know." it's an idiom okay find out what it means because I think you don't know what it means.So don't take everything literally okay just calm down and accept the fact that somethings aren't meant to be taken literally. Стас I didn't read all that, and since you are not as smart as you think you are and can't give info in concise ways, well, idk Jacob Madut Of course you didn't read all that I would expect it was a challenge for you to get past Wow or something. Стас "to get past Wow or something." ?? Jacob Madut Omgosh I really have to explain these simple things to you.You know what to keep you feeling like you won I quit.BE HAPPY KNOW CELEBRATE! Стас Be cognizant that I am not unintelligent, but please be aware that you are not as adept nor intelligent as you think you are. Стас 'BE HAPPY now*? CELEBRATE!' ?? Стас Му Duck Jacob Madut Yeah I knew you would do that that'd why I spelled it Know and not now and good for you using words you think would be hard for people to understand you see scientist brake down things they don't need to say words most people won't know and it would probably confuse other scientist that why they use more simple words its good to know words you don't know but it would be better to use simplified versions so people understand what you're saying.Quote:"Say it again but this time in English." Стас do you have self esteem issues? Стас ? Jacob Madut Wow this really has nothing to do with self esteem and you bring it in to the conversation.I already said you won be happy enjoy I'm tired of talking to you about this. Стас Yes, this does have to do with YOUR self esteem, which you have clearly issues with.You keep thinking and trying to make yourself look better then everyone else and trying to put others down. Well, you are not! And the way you keep dropping conversations? Wow, it's sad. Sergei: Go back to Africa and play basked ball if you are tall enough Jacob Madut Dropping a conversation is not sad you want to know what really is sad its sad how you think I'm trying to make myself seem better then you I'm guessing that's why you need Sergei there I also think you need Sergei there to make jokes for you so you think everything is alright that he will make everything go away and whenever I say something you can't really handle by yourself it will always be Sergei who you call upon to answer it.That's sad can't handle your problems by yourself that's even sadder.I also think when you talk to me about something and I answer it in a way you don't understand or you feel like you will lose you ask Sergei to say something to drop the subject and make you feel at ease.That's really sad Sergei is your source or scapegoat I should say to keeping you calm.Btw it's you who has Self esteem problems i'm not the one who laugh every time someone answers your question wrong and I don't say "can you beat that you can't beat that" you clearly want to seem better then everyone. Стас 1: the only reason i said "Sergei: Go back to Africa and play basked ball if you are tall enough" is because he wanted to say it. 2: They way you drop conversations are sad, not actually dropping them 3: If it's not sad to drop conversations; how is it sad to think some one has self esteem issues and think they want to make them selfs look better then every one else? 4: You laugh every time I "fail", although some times I do not, and you still laugh because you can not make it work in your little brain 5: If you really didn't have those kind of issues ( be it self esteem or anything else ( I am not a psychiatrist )) Why would you start so many arguments, when you are at the verge of loosing them: you quit them.. Why you ARE loosing them, you always think you're winning, when you do that you get really frustrated: keep interrupting me, repeating the same thing, calling others to answer questions for you. 6: You "repeat" almost every argument. This is how much you wrote about me needing help from others ( Sergei mostly ): "I'm guessing that's why you need Sergei there I also think you need Sergei there to make jokes for you so you think everything is alright that he will make everything go away and whenever I say something you can't really handle by yourself it will always be Sergei who you call upon to answer it.That's sad can't handle your problems by yourself that's even sadder.I also think when you talk to me about something and I answer it in a way you don't understand or you feel like you will lose you ask Sergei to say something to drop the subject and make you feel at ease.That's really sad Sergei is your source or scapegoat I should say to keeping you calm" That's a lot of sentences that say the same thing. Стас 7: You can't answer my questions well: the question of "Why do you keep sitting by me" has never been answered yet, the right way I mean. And don't give a silly reason of "it's a nice view" and "it's closer to the books" no! "" I'm Стас btw. Thank you, I appreciate your help. PS: It's okay to take side

[Maria92]

Thanks for the neat dox you dropped. I'm sure some people will take great interest in this case, and many lulz will ensue. Expect us. Really, you are a huge jerk here. Sorry, but your "argument" consists mostly of ad hominem attacks. Wanting to end a discussion (or in this case, a roast) isn't a mark of defeat or a sign they've run out of arguments. People want to drop issues for plenty of reasons -- it's repetitive, nobody is getting anywhere, it isn't fun anymore, one or more people have resorted to attacking one another instead of their arguments, etc.

[moskowfreak1111]

I'm happy to provide 'lulz' How am I being a jerk? And what is 'ad hominem attack'? Unlike him I'll admit that I do not know those things. Thank you There, I deleted a few things

[Oneironaut Zero]

Don't know what you deleted, but from what still remains, it looks like the whole thing is just a bunch of ad hominems. (An ad hominem is an attack that tries to insult the other person, instead of the topic at hand. It's like having an argument about whether the Earth is round, and saying "yeah? Well you're probably too immersed in online gaming and catgirls to have any sort of knowledge of what's going on in the real world.") Any intelligent debate can be held without resorting to this - though it is a little more difficult. The most important thing about this is that - throughout all of that text you posted, I barely even have an idea of what the actual argument is about. It really just looks like a couple of little boys going back and forth about who's a stupid head and who isn't. Personally, I probably would have left the 'argument,' too.

[Solarflare]

without reading the convo, quitting means you lose UNLESS a) the other side isnt saying anything helpful b) the arugment is so damn pointless you cant help but say fuck it who cares!

[Jeff777]

tl;dr

[Irken]

Lol, first of all. It's spelled losing not loosing, and secondly lol I don't think it matters if you loose and argument or not.

[Solarflare]

tl;dr agreed Lol, first of all. It's spelled losing not loosing, and secondly lol I don't think it matters if you loose and argument or not. it..... doesnt matter?????? IT....... doesn't matter..... HOW DOES IT NOT MATTER ! IT IS THE BIGGEST DEAL IN THE HISTORY OF EARTH!!!! There....i told you

[Dannon Oneironaut]

Starting an argument is losing. The longer you keep an argument going the more you lose. The one who wins is the one that doesn't enter an argument, but one who surrenders his ego and sees things from the other's point of view. One who listens without defense and speaks without offense. One who doesn't take anything personally.

[DeletePlease]

Стас stop being a fag "thank you CO", really annoying..

[♥Mark]

Well that depends on your objective. If you're attempting to logically demonstrate the truth of a claim (I.E. make/support an argument) then you have both lost because neither of you did that. An important distinction needs to be made between bickering and an argument. Here you are engaged in non-intellectual one-upmanship (I.E. bickering.) If the objective here is to cause the other person more frustration than they cause you then it could be argued that quitting is equivalent to or at least suggestive of defeat. But in terms of an argument the duration of a person's participation is not relevant to the truth of their claims. At best you could say they failed to support their argument well if they left when more elaboration or support was required. Certainly you win if the game is just to make the other person quit, but that's hardly worth much, is it? Starting an argument is losing. The longer you keep an argument going the more you lose. The one who wins is the one that doesn't enter an argument, but one who surrenders his ego and sees things from the other's point of view. One who listens without defense and speaks without offense. One who doesn't take anything personally. Wrong again. I would argue that since your statements are contrary to mine and that you made this post in full knowledge that there are those here who would read it and disagree with you that you have initiated an argument. Initiating or participating in an argument and the points you made about surrendering one's ego are not necessarily at odds. The problem is when you approach an argument as a confrontation or a contest. It is a mistake to approach as an aggressor "trying to win" and it is a mistake to assume that anyone who engages in arguments is an aggressor "trying to win." In summary, u suk lolololxD

[DeletePlease]

Last edited by ♥Mark; Today at 10:42 PM. Reason: the game The smile on my face when I read that...

[♥Mark]

:3c

[dajo]

haha, what did you delete?

[sloth]

Good point: Evidence that the Earth is round can be found in photographs taken from high in the atmosphere. Ad hominem response: Well... Your face!

[fOrceez]

it really just looks like a couple of little boys going back and forth about who's a stupid head and who isn't. yours is.

[dajo]

it appears you have lost this one, Oneironaut

[fOrceez]

@dajo, If only I could +1 that..

[Marm]

“Discussion is an exchange of knowledge; an argument an exchange of ignorance.”

[tommo]

Winning requires knowing how to spell "losing".

[Dthoughts]