Quote Originally Posted by Tlaloc View Post
I can't ever remember using it connected to the novadreamer (maybe the long wire connection from facemask put me off) and I can't remember any research on its effectiveness as a cuing device (I used it as a way of promoting r/c's during the day). Do you remember if any results came back from it Sageous????
I tried plugging the P.E.S.T. into my Dreamlight for a while, but my results were either a complete miss of the cue, or the cue snapping me awake...or the P.E.S.T. resting mysteriously on the floor after I woke up. So no, I guess I didn't get any results when it was plugged in. I think the P.E.S.T.'s real value was as a RC reminder, especially when set in a random mode.


Interesting eh?!! La Berge seems to be saying that through brief conditioning to the stimuli in real life, application of the same stimuli during the REM period - MADE THEM LUCID. My feeling is that he is simplifying things here a bit (from what Sageous says about him, you can almost imagine him swaggering around the stage at the panel discussion at the conference) but this IS what he said at the time (he does the introduction to this part of the paper so obviously he was comfortable with the verbatim reporting of his discussion).
What do you all think?
I think that sometimes LaBerge tended to wax optimistic, especially in the early years when he was still trying to sell his thesis to an unresponsive crowd. I think that if this brief prep period were enough, LaBerge would have incorporated it into his DreamCamp activities, and he did not. I've found that if you press him, LaBerge tends to do a bit of backpedaling when he explains positions like the one above; in other words, he knows that a good deal of mental prep is required for consistent LD'ing, and that often the placebo effect can drive up early statistics, but he also knows that those are not things that paying customers (or grants committees) want to hear. I'm not saying he wasn't truthful about his experiments -- he was -- but he might have been exercising a wee dram of hyperbole in order to accentuate the potentials of LD'ing.

I also think that abandoning the vibrating stimulus because it was too difficult to engineer into his machines is a nice example of what I mentioned earlier about why the N2D2 is so late, and not to be believed as real until it is on Amazon...