Thread: Codename N2D2: NovaDreamer 2 incoming.

Hi FryingMan - I would agree with what Sageous said

I for one think N2D2 will likely help improve frequency, as long as it is comfortable enough to sleep in, and its signalling is flexible enough to still work after the placebo effect wears off. Plus, experienced LD'ers who do regular daytime work will probably receive the greatest benefits from the N2D2, because this machine potentially is an excellent aid to achieving lucidity, but not a magic pill that replaces all the fundamentals... not good news for novices looking for an easy way out, but good news for folks, like you, looking for something that might help you improve from a reasonably successful LD'ing frequency to something closer to LD's on demand.

- ps Sageous - this really made me laugh because it sounds so true!

From what I understand, the testing LaBerge currently does of the N2d2 is done exclusively at his dreamcamps, which are generally (but never exclusively) attended by people who have no idea what daytime work is,

FryingMan the only study I can think of that comes close I think to answering your question was done by.....dah dah.....LaBerge published in 1988. 49 people had up to 8 wkly sessions including use with the Dreamlight, to be a participant you had to have had a lucid dream. The data LaBerge published was as follows -

baseline lucid dreaming rate was 3.7%.....in the condition the Dreamlight was used without mental preparation with MILD the rate went up to 5.5%. Using MILD without the Dreamlight produced a rate of 13%, and the combination of MILD with the Dreamlight resulted in the highest rate of 20%.

So as Sageous says it is likely the device would improve the frequency of LD'ing - especially those who put in the mental effort you were talking about FryingMan. It went up from 5.5% without effort with the dreamlight (small increase from the baserate lucidity) to 20% with effort - a pretty significant increase in this study. Hope this helps!!! Ps some of these findings are on the excellent link Zoth posted earlier.

Archvenom - thought you'd be interested about the incorporation of the vibration into a dream - as this happened last night.....I set my vibrating clock on my wrist to go after 5 hrs for the wbtb as planned. This is set to a strength (2) and duration (20 secs) to wake me up (normally I use a 5sec vibration at strenght 1 when I'm trying to incorporate it into a dream). Anyway I am in a very relaxed dream in a backstage actors room talking to my cousin who I haven't seen in years and having a very detailed (and accurate) catch up about past times and I am really enjoying seeing her again when VIMMMMMMMMMMM I feel the vibrating clock vibrating and hear it also - its LOUD and in the dream I'm scrambling to find it as it keeps going off and I am worried my cousin will hear and wonder what it is and because its the vibration I am very aware I need to do a reality check - and then its still going and I wake up in my dark bedroom completely disorientated for a second searching for the clock on my ankle (its normal location) before realising its on my wrist and turning it off. This is the first time I've hit an REM period at my wbtb time, I wondered if this might happen at some point through luck and last night it did. Obviously I didn't have time to become lucid - in the dream though I was completely aware this was the invisible clock vibrating and that I had to do a R/C (after quietening it) - so both the incorporation of the signal into the dream from the real world (the vibration) and my conditioning to it (do a R/C) were spot on. It was just that because it was the wbtb alarm it was too strong (strength 2) and too long (20 secs) that it woke me up (as its meant to do for the wbtb). Thought you might be interested - I was pretty happy with the incorporation - its a feeling that you've sent yourself a message from the waking world into your dream world and the message is coming through loud and clear - do a R/C, the only poignant thing was that I really enjoyed the catchup I was having with my cousin in the dream so it was a little sad to realise it was the stuff of dreams