Question about things you've never known before???

**mcnugitz** · 04-11-2011 08:33 AM

Hello, this is my very first thread here on DreamViews (I just found out about this site 5 minutes ago)... And I have a question...

While in a dream (lucid or not, it doesn't matter), is it possible for people/objects in the dream to do things that are real that you haven't known about before?
Example: Say you don't know a word of French, could you have a dream where you/other dream objects speak REAL French?

Another example:
Say you met a new friend in real life, and you plan on going to this persons house in the next few days, if you had a dream that you were in this persons house, is it possible that it could be the EXACT house? Even though you've never been there before???

It's 11:40pm and I'm tired, sorry if I didn't make a whole lot of sense on this thread...

Also, please notify me if this is in the wrong section... thanks!
PS... I hope that DreamViews is an awesome site and I hope to learn a lot...

**zebrah** · 04-11-2011 10:47 AM

Well these things you listed aren't possible to my knowledge. It would require your mind to see into the future and learn French all while trapped in the confines of itself.

I don't see how this is possible.

**tommo** · 04-11-2011 10:57 AM

Well, there is a certain condition that some people develop where they speak another language, without ever having learned it before. I'm not sure of the scientific validity of this, but I have heard about it before.
This could happen, I suppose, because the subconscious has picked up things along the way from other languages, since there are all around us; things written in multiple languages etc.

As for the house things, it's possible, just by pure chance. Most of the time though, when someone thinks this has happened, they only remember it because the house they dreamed about was similar.
But they remember it incorrectly, thinking it's exactly the same.

**Philosopher8659** · 04-11-2011 11:42 AM

Yes, indeed. I was once tested on concepts I had no idea about until well over a decade later. I have no explanation other than telepathy.

I actually entered the lucid dreamstate to try and practice math. I ended up being tested on the foundation of langauge. You see, my question about math was specific, however linguistic principles are universal--but the whole ordeal just stumped me for a very long time. I had no idea what it all meant.

**Rock4Dreams** · 04-11-2011 05:51 PM

The french thing is totally able to happen. You have seen and heard lots of french in your life , you just dont remember it , but your subconscious does. Considering dreams come from the subconscious, my answer is : Yes it is able

**zebrah** · 04-11-2011 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by Rock4Dreams

The french thing is totally able to happen. You have seen and heard lots of french in your life , you just dont remember it , but your subconscious does. Considering dreams come from the subconscious, my answer is : Yes it is able

This makes no sense at all. How would you be able to speak a language correctly from your memories of other speaking French. And then how would you even know if it correct upon waking? This all seem highly unlikely.

**Philosopher8659** · 04-11-2011 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by Zebrah

This makes no sense at all. How would you be able to speak a language correctly from your memories of other speaking French. And then how would you even know if it correct upon waking? This all seem highly unlikely.

Actually this has been documented. A maid once started speaking, what was it, Hebrew, because she was doing her work, and listening to her master reading.

**Matte87** · 04-11-2011 06:27 PM

You would still need to know what the words meant. You can't just hear a random word in a foreign language, and your brain will automaticly know what it means.

**Philosopher8659** · 04-11-2011 06:29 PM

No, it cannot. However, there have been things of this nature that go unexplained. Idiot savants waking up one day with the ability to play the piano, things like that.

**tommo** · 04-11-2011 06:32 PM

Just did a quick bit of research (google lol) and I can only find cases of people having a stroke and developing an accent. Not speaking another language. Although it is still possible I suppose.

**Philosopher8659** · 04-11-2011 06:33 PM

You have to get into psychology books for this. Much of it is in books written around the 50's.

**zebrah** · 04-11-2011 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by Philosopher8659

Actually this has been documented. A maid once started speaking, what was it, Hebrew, because she was doing her work, and listening to her master reading.

Simply posting something doesn't make it true. Show your sources.

**Philosopher8659** · 04-11-2011 06:55 PM

Do your own research. Who do think I am?

**zebrah** · 04-11-2011 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by Philosopher8659

Do your own research. Who do think I am?

At this point I think you are out of luck. If anyone just believes what they read on the Internet they are going to be confused and taken advantage of. If you are going to post about proof don't just paraphrase give us the actual study.

Until I see that I won't believe what you are saying in here.

**Philosopher8659** · 04-11-2011 07:14 PM

I never said I gave a rats ass what you believe. I only stated what I had read, and probably over 20 years ago. So take your arrogance anywhere you like, but keep the shit off my door step.

**zebrah** · 04-11-2011 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by Philosopher8659

I never said I gave a rats ass what you believe. I only stated what I had read, and probably over 20 years ago. So take your arrogance anywhere you like, but keep the shit off my door step.

I am not being arrogant I simply do not want the OP or anyone else who happens to stumble upon this taking it as fact.

**Matte87** · 04-11-2011 07:28 PM

with the ability to play the piano

Yes, because they quickly learn the tones. How they work together and where they are at. You're basicly saying that a savant who can play the piano, knows where all the keys are positioned and has a few songs already in store to be used without even touching the thing.

Meaning of words can be guessed at times based on the circumstance. I might not know the actual word but I can make a valid guess based on the subject. If I know the subject in the first place. That requires some basic skills in the language itself. Your subconscious can't learn an entire language without you having a clue.

**tommo** · 04-12-2011 05:11 AM

Originally Posted by Matte87

Yes, because they quickly learn the tones. How they work together and where they are at. You're basicly saying that a savant who can play the piano, knows where all the keys are positioned and has a few songs already in store to be used without even touching the thing.

Meaning of words can be guessed at times based on the circumstance. I might not know the actual word but I can make a valid guess based on the subject. If I know the subject in the first place. That requires some basic skills in the language itself. Your subconscious can't learn an entire language without you having a clue.

I disagree, and remember I'm not saying this has happened, I can't find any cases.
I think that this is theoretically possible though.

Remember there are other languages all around us nowadays. Think toilets, bins other public things. Almost all manuals are written in several languages as well. There is also foreign language movies where you're given a direct translation of what's being said.

It's possible that your subconscious picks up all these things and you just don't have access to it unless you suffer a fortunate, specific brain injury or are using hallucinogens or dreaming.

It's theoretically possible, the subconscious is mighty powerful.

**Matte87** · 04-12-2011 04:41 PM

It sure is powerful, I'm not saying it's not capable of amazing things. But those are universal signs. I doubt an aboriginal would have any idea what a WC sign meant. I'm sure the subconscious picks up alot more than our conscious selves do, but you will not be able to understand the language and what it says.

Although, I do see the possibility of you seeing a DC speaking French or very close to it. Not that you would understand it, and it would also probably be lines in French from quotes from movies or phrases you've heard and perhaps those might be understood, if you read the translation aswell.

**Polarity** · 04-12-2011 05:49 PM

Right, I've heard time ago on DV about someone that was speaking Spanish in his dreams; when he woke up, he realised that he was actually singing to Chacarron.
So, I suppose it depends by your perception of things.

**Appe96** · 04-12-2011 05:55 PM

In the french example: I think that it's not possible learning the whole french language, but learn a few phrases. It is like everyone say, you have read alot of french, but you can't remember it. But your sub-conious do

The house example: I think it is impossible because, you have to see the house first, before your brain can create a dream about it.

Edit: But you have to know what the words means before. I mean you can't come up with a translation if you haven't heard of before.

**mcnugitz** · 04-13-2011 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by Rock4Dreams

The french thing is totally able to happen. You have seen and heard lots of french in your life , you just dont remember it , but your subconscious does. Considering dreams come from the subconscious, my answer is : Yes it is able

As this may be true, it's slightly different then what I'm asking.
What I should have included in the main thread post (for the French part) is:
For the language, it has to be one that you have NEVER heard/read/etc. in your life. That cancels out the subconscious part remembering small portions of a language. I'm talking full-blown, never heard before, yet speaking sentences/full conversations of a language.

**mcnugitz** · 04-13-2011 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by mcnugitz

As this may be true, it's slightly different then what I'm asking.
What I should have included in the main thread post (for the French part) is:
For the language, it has to be one that you have NEVER heard/read/etc. in your life. That cancels out the subconscious part remembering small portions of a language. I'm talking full-blown, never heard before, yet speaking sentences/full conversations of a language.

Another thing I should add: Would you be able to see parts/whole movie in your dream? And in said movie, it's one you've never heard anyone talk about, seen previews of, or even knew existed... Is it possible???

**tommo** · 04-13-2011 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by mcnugitz

As this may be true, it's slightly different then what I'm asking.
What I should have included in the main thread post (for the French part) is:
For the language, it has to be one that you have NEVER heard/read/etc. in your life. That cancels out the subconscious part remembering small portions of a language. I'm talking full-blown, never heard before, yet speaking sentences/full conversations of a language.

Originally Posted by mcnugitz

Another thing I should add: Would you be able to see parts/whole movie in your dream? And in said movie, it's one you've never heard anyone talk about, seen previews of, or even knew existed... Is it possible???

**Matte87** · 04-13-2011 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by mcnugitz

Another thing I should add: Would you be able to see parts/whole movie in your dream? And in said movie, it's one you've never heard anyone talk about, seen previews of, or even knew existed... Is it possible???

Dreaming is not the gift of foretelling. Even dreams that comes true and clairvoyance hasn't been proven exists for real.