Originally Posted by Caenis
I'll have to look this up at some point, sounds cool. Anyone that qualifies as beautiful would just be the epitome of average.
I don't think that people lie. If you ask an individual "Is this woman/man attractive?" then that implies that the asker believes that the person in question is attractive. Some individuals that answer the question might feel threatened, and look for flaws to lower the credibility of the person in question. Others might attempt to counterbalance the positive question with negative answers: "Yeah, she/he is okay, BUT...."
You think X is attractive? X is attractive, isn't he/she?
And that is what I refer to: the implication that the asker finds X attractive (let's say an 8/10) shouldn't serve as a cue to distance oneself from the asker, and thereby criticise X's looks (let's say by giving them 3/10). Such that if one had not been asked (if one viewed X spontaneously) one would rate X around 7-8/10.
I can't help but feel that the person down rating X's looks is trying to suggest that their own 'preferences' are high so as to not be on the same level as the asker. I don't understand the dishonesty. As if people are scared to admit what they like for fear of judgement.
Meh, I'm oversimplifying the matter here, but I think you get the gist.
Originally Posted by Caenis
I've noticed that when some people cast insults, they often focus on physical qualities, even if the original offending quality is a character quirk. It suggests that character quirks--or deviations from the norm--would be more admissible if the deviant was more physically average. More emphasis seems to be placed on physical appearance--or status, as Wolfwood and Bimpo pointed out--than one's personality and behavior.
With regards to physical appearance, one must not forget that there is also natural emphasis on visibility compared to 'apparent invisibility'. It'd follow that people tend to insult that which is most visible, and usually this would be one's physical appearance (if something is relatively bad). Of course, if someone exhibits a ridiculous display of idiocy, then this 'apparent invisible' trait is clearly emphasised and visible....not by the insulter, but the one being insulted. In general though, an element of what one can plainly see will be the object of insult.
Originally Posted by Caenis
Which matters more to humans: physical beauty or a beautiful mentality? Physical beauty would produce genetically sound babies, but a beautiful mentality would presumably provide greater security. Security meaning loyalty, happiness, trust--the means to secure a good life in the long term. Security should win hands down, but if it did, why would people still focus so much on physical traits?
Heh, I know there were quite a few papers on that with regards to women. And what you say above was not far off from the conclusions - women were shown pictures of faces that had been previously determined either masculine or feminine...(feminine/masculine was determined by jaw line, cheek bones, skull size, and general facial structure. That is to say, by feminine face, it did not imply that the man 'looked camp').
1. A man who was rated highly masculine and attractive would be less trusted by women, in that they would place little faith in that man's ability for long-term commitment, security, and even compassion.
2. A feminine man who was rated attractive was seen to be trustworthy, security providing, and compassionate.
3. The amusing finding was that whether a woman found the feminine man or masculine man just plainly sexually attractive correlated with the time of the month that the women were asked, i.e., their menstrual cycle. The more fertile they were, the more attractive feminine men were. The less fertile, the more masculine men were.
4. Women also tended to rate the masculine men as more 'extroverted' and the feminine men as 'introverted'. Thus, this apparent divide of trust might be a personality trait, and not a physical trait. That is, that lack of trust, long-term commitment etc applies to how they view extroversion, not masculinity/femininity.
It's quite interesting, however, that there's a cyclical change of attraction (for whatever reason). It can be said that it implies: if a woman just wants sex, she'll find masculine, extroverted men most attractive. If she wants security, compassion, long-term, e.g., a family, she'll find feminine, introverted men most attractive.
So without reference to a 'beautiful mentality', one's trustworthiness, security, ability for compassion etc has already been decided by your physical appearance lol. As previously said, this is mere appearance of the face, and doesn't include height, body weight, and mental traits. It's more complex. ^_^
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